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Do You Agree With Ron DeSantis's Decisions?

I do agree with the actions of Ron DeSantis
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I do NOT agree with the actions of Ron DeSantis
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I am indifferent on the actions of Ron DeSantis
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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu May 11, 2023 4:17 pm

The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:
Pangurstan wrote:Preventing out of state people and corporations from buying up all of the farmland is actually a good thing. Sometimes, people do good things on accident or for bad reasons.

But the implications of "Chinese Detected, Homes Retaken" is terrifying.

Imagine, it's 2025 and Ron DeSantis is the president:

"We have seen an increased amount of African-American violence against their own race and ours, for that reason I am proposing to Congress the reinstatement of the Jim Crow laws to hopefully prevent further violence against good American people."

That's the door that this law unlocks.

No, it’s not, and it doesn’t unlock any door except for banning oligarchs of other countries from increasing housing prices and potentially collaborating with governments they are legally required to obey. Black Americans don’t live in PRC McMansions and generally aren’t making housing unaffordable for people who live in the US or taking orders directly from CCP leadership

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Postby Pangurstan » Thu May 11, 2023 4:22 pm

The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:
Pangurstan wrote:Preventing out of state people and corporations from buying up all of the farmland is actually a good thing. Sometimes, people do good things on accident or for bad reasons.

But the implications of "Chinese Detected, Homes Retaken" is terrifying.

Imagine, it's 2025 and Ron DeSantis is the president:

"We have seen an increased amount of African-American violence against their own race and ours, for that reason I am proposing to Congress the reinstatement of the Jim Crow laws to hopefully prevent further violence against good American people."

That's the door that this law unlocks.

I just read the article, and yeah it goes a lot further than legitimate restrictions of land ownership. The Chinese Exclusion Act part 2 is bad.
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Germenia
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Postby Germenia » Thu May 11, 2023 4:28 pm

Should I also mention that DeSantis is turning Florida into what is happening in Texas right now?

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The Great Nevada Overlord
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Postby The Great Nevada Overlord » Thu May 11, 2023 5:23 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:But the implications of "Chinese Detected, Homes Retaken" is terrifying.

Imagine, it's 2025 and Ron DeSantis is the president:

"We have seen an increased amount of African-American violence against their own race and ours, for that reason I am proposing to Congress the reinstatement of the Jim Crow laws to hopefully prevent further violence against good American people."

That's the door that this law unlocks.

No, it’s not, and it doesn’t unlock any door except for banning oligarchs of other countries from increasing housing prices and potentially collaborating with governments they are legally required to obey. Black Americans don’t live in PRC McMansions and generally aren’t making housing unaffordable for people who live in the US or taking orders directly from CCP leadership

It only takes one law before Chinese-Americans are segregated in society.

Seems impossible? Nope. In the 1940s right after Pearl Harbor FDR forced all Japanese-Americans living on the west coast into internment camps because the government thought that all Japanese people were working with the Empire of Japan.

DeSantis could just do the same thing but for Chinese-Americans and the PRC, and if Chinese-Americans are segregated what's to stop him from segregating African-Americans or Italian-Americans?
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Postby The Pirateariat » Thu May 11, 2023 5:24 pm

Germenia wrote:Should I also mention that DeSantis is turning Florida into what is happening in Texas right now?

You already did.

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Postby Shavervia » Thu May 11, 2023 5:49 pm

The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:science about gender dysphoria was completely erased by the Nazis. Sad...
It's called peer review and that's a good thing.

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Postby Bradfordville » Thu May 11, 2023 5:51 pm

The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:No, it’s not, and it doesn’t unlock any door except for banning oligarchs of other countries from increasing housing prices and potentially collaborating with governments they are legally required to obey. Black Americans don’t live in PRC McMansions and generally aren’t making housing unaffordable for people who live in the US or taking orders directly from CCP leadership

It only takes one law before Chinese-Americans are segregated in society.

Seems impossible? Nope. In the 1940s right after Pearl Harbor FDR forced all Japanese-Americans living on the west coast into internment camps because the government thought that all Japanese people were working with the Empire of Japan.

DeSantis could just do the same thing but for Chinese-Americans and the PRC, and if Chinese-Americans are segregated what's to stop him from segregating African-Americans or Italian-Americans?


To be extremely fair, DeSantis is (unfortunately) Italian-American, so I don't know if he would do this. But someone else? Sure, definitely. I think MTG and Paul Gosar's celebrated "Anglo-Saxon traditions" speak volumes at the end of the day about who the real in-group of the far right is. WASP. White Anglo-Saxon protestant. Basically anyone who isnt a norhwest european germanic protestant can be made the scapegoat, althugh I'm not entirely sure that so-called "white ethnics" were ever 100% accepted at any point, considering as a Sicilian American myself how Italians have always been potrayed in US media (The mafia, or worse yet jersey shore). On the census we're white like other folks from Europe, the middle east and north africa, but my own experiences make me feel like whatever whiteness I experience isn't the whiteness old stock americans get to live. And considering everything from the alienization of Arab-Americans after 9/11 to russophobia after russia invaded Ukraine, to Jeff Sessions' love for the 1924 immigration act (a racist ac directed at southern and eastern euros), I know my group could be on the chopping block if there's another surge in Italian immigration. It wouldn't be the first time we lived through being hated and discriminated against.
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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu May 11, 2023 6:05 pm

The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:No, it’s not, and it doesn’t unlock any door except for banning oligarchs of other countries from increasing housing prices and potentially collaborating with governments they are legally required to obey. Black Americans don’t live in PRC McMansions and generally aren’t making housing unaffordable for people who live in the US or taking orders directly from CCP leadership

It only takes one law before Chinese-Americans are segregated in society.

Seems impossible? Nope. In the 1940s right after Pearl Harbor FDR forced all Japanese-Americans living on the west coast into internment camps because the government thought that all Japanese people were working with the Empire of Japan.

DeSantis could just do the same thing but for Chinese-Americans and the PRC, and if Chinese-Americans are segregated what's to stop him from segregating African-Americans or Italian-Americans?

The 14th Amendment certainly does not apply to people living outside the US without permanent residence or citizenship. This “one law” isn’t any closer after this law’s passage than before. It’s like saying that we are going to start gassing Jews to steal their property if a capital gains tax passes. They’re unconnected, and the implication that the group affected (CCP oligarchs, uber-wealthy CEOs) are the same as the group that will supposedly be persecuted (Asian-Americans, Jews) is borderline racist.

I would prefer if no housing was being hoarded by corporate landlords and etc., but buying out US citizens and those from friendly countries would be expensive and not politically convenient at this point. That a policy meant to signal a breakdown of relations with the PRC also happens to penalize those worsening living standards of ordinary people should be viewed as a coincidental benefit.

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Postby Shavervia » Thu May 11, 2023 6:32 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
La Xinga wrote:You should be in full support of the January 6th protesters, then.

Inconveniencing a politician by sitting in front of an office in a publicly accessible state government building is not nearly as bad as attempting to overthrow the federal government, so no.

A long debunked narrative, as per CNN/MSNBC definitions that was a (mostly) peaceful protest.

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Postby El Lazaro » Thu May 11, 2023 6:43 pm

Shavervia wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Inconveniencing a politician by sitting in front of an office in a publicly accessible state government building is not nearly as bad as attempting to overthrow the federal government, so no.

A long debunked narrative, as per CNN/MSNBC definitions that was a (mostly) peaceful protest.

I don’t consider CNN or MSNBC to be reliable, so I don’t care what they said.

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Postby Shavervia » Thu May 11, 2023 6:51 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:The laws it doesn’t REQUIRE staff to use the preferred pronouns, so if a teacher wants to call them by their assigned sex at birth then so be it, like honestly cope and Seth like imagine having a mental breakdown and protesting over freaking pronouns. I do not like desantis but like some of these people in lgbt community need to stop being such crybabies.

So if I wanted to call you by a name that wasn't yours, and pronouns that didn't apply to you, you wouldn't have a problem with it? Day in day out? Just, totally denying that you are who you say you are? Jeeeeez, if anyone needs to get a grip it's not the LGBT community - it's the ones that are so attached to their need to be rude and disrespectful to others.

TIMs (Trans Identifying Males) often and regularly refer to the average person as being CIS Gendered. . . Do I even have to bring up, that depending on your political faction, you will be called: a pedophile, communist, racist, fascist, and (often by all political ideologies) a nazi. . . Feminists/TERFs are regularly called Feminazis by TIMs (and just about everyone else, because everyon is).

We can pick our own labels, but we cannot demand people use them; if we try to force people, they will just invent new labels. . . So why bother? That and North Korea calls itself a Democratic People's Republic, yet it is neither of these three things; challenging labels is a good thing and you should be thankful (grateful infact) that you've been given this ability.

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Postby Page » Thu May 11, 2023 10:25 pm

Shavervia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:So if I wanted to call you by a name that wasn't yours, and pronouns that didn't apply to you, you wouldn't have a problem with it? Day in day out? Just, totally denying that you are who you say you are? Jeeeeez, if anyone needs to get a grip it's not the LGBT community - it's the ones that are so attached to their need to be rude and disrespectful to others.

TIMs (Trans Identifying Males) often and regularly refer to the average person as being CIS Gendered. . . Do I even have to bring up, that depending on your political faction, you will be called: a pedophile, communist, racist, fascist, and (often by all political ideologies) a nazi. . . Feminists/TERFs are regularly called Feminazis by TIMs (and just about everyone else, because everyon is).

We can pick our own labels, but we cannot demand people use them; if we try to force people, they will just invent new labels. . . So why bother? That and North Korea calls itself a Democratic People's Republic, yet it is neither of these three things; challenging labels is a good thing and you should be thankful (grateful infact) that you've been given this ability.


Just you using the term "TIM" is a massive red flag that suggests you are transphobic and politically sympathetic to fascists.
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Postby The Great Nevada Overlord » Thu May 11, 2023 10:55 pm

Shavervia wrote:
The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:science about gender dysphoria was completely erased by the Nazis. Sad...
It's called peer review and that's a good thing.

They burned the books that didn't coincide with their little Aryan Übermensch Lebensraum beliefs.

They didn't peer review anything.
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Postby Shavervia » Fri May 12, 2023 3:48 am

Page wrote:
Shavervia wrote:TIMs (Trans Identifying Males) often and regularly refer to the average person as being CIS Gendered. . . Do I even have to bring up, that depending on your political faction, you will be called: a pedophile, communist, racist, fascist, and (often by all political ideologies) a nazi. . . Feminists/TERFs are regularly called Feminazis by TIMs (and just about everyone else, because everyon is).

We can pick our own labels, but we cannot demand people use them; if we try to force people, they will just invent new labels. . . So why bother? That and North Korea calls itself a Democratic People's Republic, yet it is neither of these three things; challenging labels is a good thing and you should be thankful (grateful infact) that you've been given this ability.


Just you using the term "TIM" is a massive red flag that suggests you are transphobic and politically sympathetic to fascists.
see, why use labels when others will use them for you :clap:
The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:
Shavervia wrote:It's called peer review and that's a good thing.
They burned the books that didn't coincide with their little Aryan Übermensch Lebensraum beliefs.

They didn't peer review anything.
they had to first read the books before they burned them, so I disagree. Having read current studies on that topic, and assuming older studies had less/faulty evidence relative to modern ones, then burning them was objectively the most productive thing they could have ever done.

These studies now (today) are so poor, I genuinely feel bad for TIM who are forced to pedal this anti-intellectual non-sense. We need at least another century before definitive statements on transitioning can be made, and more importantly, accepted by the general public.

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Postby Gravlen » Fri May 12, 2023 5:38 am

Shavervia wrote:
They burned the books that didn't coincide with their little Aryan Übermensch Lebensraum beliefs.

They didn't peer review anything.
they had to first read the books before they burned them, so I disagree.

*Sigh* It's so blatantly obvious what you are doing, so of course I whouldn't waste my time responding. But here we are.

Of course they didn't have to read them. Reading any of the 20 - 25,000 books would expose them to the undeutschen Geist of the works. Why read a book written by a Jew? Dr. Hirschfeld's collection was just an example of extreme Jewish intellectualism whose books were authored by "Intellectual filth" and "Jewish asphalt literati", which had to be burned away.

Your "peer review" included murder. But I guess you're fine with that.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Fri May 12, 2023 5:42 am

Page wrote:
Shavervia wrote:TIMs (Trans Identifying Males) often and regularly refer to the average person as being CIS Gendered. . . Do I even have to bring up, that depending on your political faction, you will be called: a pedophile, communist, racist, fascist, and (often by all political ideologies) a nazi. . . Feminists/TERFs are regularly called Feminazis by TIMs (and just about everyone else, because everyon is).

We can pick our own labels, but we cannot demand people use them; if we try to force people, they will just invent new labels. . . So why bother? That and North Korea calls itself a Democratic People's Republic, yet it is neither of these three things; challenging labels is a good thing and you should be thankful (grateful infact) that you've been given this ability.


Just you using the term "TIM" is a massive red flag that suggests you are transphobic and politically sympathetic to fascists.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 12, 2023 5:44 am

Shavervia wrote:
The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:science about gender dysphoria was completely erased by the Nazis. Sad...
It's called peer review and that's a good thing.

Very weird to roll up and start supporting the Nazis.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri May 12, 2023 6:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
Shavervia wrote:It's called peer review and that's a good thing.

Very weird to roll up and start supporting the Nazis.

Nazis were the first to link cigarette smoking to cancer, should we toss that research as well?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 12, 2023 6:25 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Very weird to roll up and start supporting the Nazis.

Nazis were the first to link cigarette smoking to cancer, should we toss that research as well?

Sorry, what are you getting at here? That since cigarettes do cause cancer that we should also listen to the Nazis about transgender people? Because that's how it comes off to argue in this context that the Nazis weren't wrong about everything.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri May 12, 2023 6:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Nazis were the first to link cigarette smoking to cancer, should we toss that research as well?

Sorry, what are you getting at here? That since cigarettes do cause cancer that we should also listen to the Nazis about transgender people? Because that's how it comes off to argue in this context that the Nazis weren't wrong about everything.


Nazis were not wrong about everything. To take the approach they are wrong about trans folks simply because they were nazis is juvenile
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Postby El Lazaro » Fri May 12, 2023 6:34 am

Ifreann wrote:
Shavervia wrote:It's called peer review and that's a good thing.

Very weird to roll up and start supporting the Nazis.

To be fair, they made a lot of advances in scientific research, like helping us find the secret entrance to the lost alien civilizations in the core of the Earth, ransacking archeological sites across the globe, and vandalizing random artifacts. What would the History Channel be without them?

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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 12, 2023 7:42 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sorry, what are you getting at here? That since cigarettes do cause cancer that we should also listen to the Nazis about transgender people? Because that's how it comes off to argue in this context that the Nazis weren't wrong about everything.


Nazis were not wrong about everything. To take the approach they are wrong about trans folks simply because they were nazis is juvenile

I'll be sure to keep that in mind if ever someone does take that approach and I'm inexplicably overcome by the urge to defend the Nazis.

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Postby Urkennalaid » Fri May 12, 2023 7:46 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sorry, what are you getting at here? That since cigarettes do cause cancer that we should also listen to the Nazis about transgender people? Because that's how it comes off to argue in this context that the Nazis weren't wrong about everything.


Nazis were not wrong about everything. To take the approach they are wrong about trans folks simply because they were nazis is juvenile


"Nazis were not wrong about everything" is a statement you never need to make. You never, ever, ever have to hand it to the Nazis.

Also wait, are you saying that the Nazis ideas about what to do to trans folks is OKAY????
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Postby Hispida » Fri May 12, 2023 7:49 am

Urkennalaid wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Nazis were not wrong about everything. To take the approach they are wrong about trans folks simply because they were nazis is juvenile


"Nazis were not wrong about everything" is a statement you never need to make. You never, ever, ever have to hand it to the Nazis.

Also wait, are you saying that the Nazis ideas about what to do to trans folks is OKAY????

you do not, under any circumstances, 'gotta hand it to them'
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri May 12, 2023 7:53 am

Urkennalaid wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Nazis were not wrong about everything. To take the approach they are wrong about trans folks simply because they were nazis is juvenile


"Nazis were not wrong about everything" is a statement you never need to make. You never, ever, ever have to hand it to the Nazis.

Also wait,]are you saying that the Nazis ideas about what to do to trans folks is OKAY????


1. Wrong, when sonething is right it is right. The moral character of the speaker has nothing to do with if a thing is a fact or not.

No I am not saying the naxis were right about trans folks. If you read what I wrote instead of jumping to conclusions you would have known that.
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