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Do You Agree With Ron DeSantis's Decisions?

I do agree with the actions of Ron DeSantis
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23%
I do NOT agree with the actions of Ron DeSantis
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I am indifferent on the actions of Ron DeSantis
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The Great Nevada Overlord
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Postby The Great Nevada Overlord » Thu May 04, 2023 4:02 pm

(Clarification for people worried about ThreadJacking. This thread in particular is about Ron DeSantis and what he is doing, yes that does include his anti transgender laws but not limited to that. Discussion on his Chinese laws or his possible presidential run are allowed for this thread)

Yesterday Today (my bad) Ron DeSantis had passed a law that states that schools don't need to refer to students by their preferred pronouns, but instead by their assigned sex at birth.

This law means that if a college student is born male, and reassigns to female, their college can still refer to them as a male without punishment.

A protest was started in offense to the bill, leading to ALL the protesters being arrested.

This comes as rumors about Ron DeSantis possible presidential run are flaming up, with Ronnie boy as president, the Transgender fight (a fight that has been happening since the 1920s) is all but dead in the United States. Land of the free, eh?

Gravlen wrote:I think you managed to highlight the least serious thing happening. Sure, it's rude and crude, but the denial of proper healthcare is dangerous, as is the criminalization of LGBTQ existence.

If DeSantis signs the bill into law, it will go into effect immediately, a little more than a month before Pride Month begins in June. Festivals such as St. Pete Pride in St. Petersburg, the state’s largest Pride celebration, could lose their permits.

The measure is so vaguely worded that Pride organizers in the state have already expressed concern. “We do believe that this might be the last Pride as you know it,” Patrick Gevas, one of the organizers of Miami Beach Pride, told NBC 6.

Critics have slammed the bill as being overly broad, which could have unintended consequences. Republicans backing it have admitted that the measure would prevent performances of The Rocky Horror Picture Show and the musical Hair.

But the measure will also have an intended consequence: “erasing” LGBTQ people from existence. Florida Republican Representative Randy Fine said last week that if passing the bill “means erasing a community because you have to target children, then, damn right, we ought to do it!”

Florida Passes Anti-Drag Ban So Extreme It Could Ban All Pride Parades


UPDATE: Ron DeSantis has made it that Chinese folks can not buy land! Startin' to sound reeeeaaall Jim Crow like!

My man is really trying to bring back anti Chinese segregation.

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https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... e-to-kids/

https://apnews.com/article/florida-prot ... 3f55ff05cd

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... nd-florida
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Postby Vikanias » Thu May 04, 2023 4:06 pm

The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:Yesterday Today (my bad) Ron DeSantis had passed a law that states that schools don't need to refer to students by their preferred pronouns, but instead by their assigned sex at birth.

This law means that if a college student is born male, and reassigns to female, their college can still refer to them as a male without punishment.

A protest was started in offense to the bill, leading to ALL the protesters being arrested.

This comes as rumors about Ron DeSantis possible presidential run are flaming up, with Ronnie boy as president, the Transgender fight (a fight that has been happening since the 1920s) is all but dead in the United States. Land of the free, eh?

(Sources)
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... e-to-kids/

https://apnews.com/article/florida-prot ... 3f55ff05cd


The 1920’s? do you have a source?
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Postby The Great Nevada Overlord » Thu May 04, 2023 4:08 pm

Vikanias wrote:
The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:Yesterday Today (my bad) Ron DeSantis had passed a law that states that schools don't need to refer to students by their preferred pronouns, but instead by their assigned sex at birth.

This law means that if a college student is born male, and reassigns to female, their college can still refer to them as a male without punishment.

A protest was started in offense to the bill, leading to ALL the protesters being arrested.

This comes as rumors about Ron DeSantis possible presidential run are flaming up, with Ronnie boy as president, the Transgender fight (a fight that has been happening since the 1920s) is all but dead in the United States. Land of the free, eh?

(Sources)
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... e-to-kids/

https://apnews.com/article/florida-prot ... 3f55ff05cd


The 1920’s? do you have a source?

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Li ... %20surgery

The majority of the science about gender dysphoria was completely erased by the Nazis. Sad...
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Postby Vrbo » Thu May 04, 2023 4:13 pm

Ron DeSantis do not weaponize the state challenge (impossible)
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu May 04, 2023 4:23 pm

his government is also trying to ban chinese citizens from owning land in florida. I’m getting deja vu.
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Postby La Xinga » Thu May 04, 2023 4:35 pm

It's hard for me to understand the OSRS policy on transgenderism, but I think I'm allowed to say, "Why is the original post making it sound like it's the end of the world? Is there any damage done to person who is called by the pronoun which they don't refer?"

Also, the original post makes it sound like the protesters were just protesting on the sidewalk, not doing anything wrong. They were in the capitol building.
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:his government is also trying to ban chinese citizens from owning land in florida. I’m getting deja vu.

It may be disputable, but is it really so incredibly terrible to ban the citizens of our #1 adversary to own land in our states?

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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu May 04, 2023 4:47 pm

La Xinga wrote:It's hard for me to understand the OSRS policy on transgenderism, but I think I'm allowed to say, "Why is the original post making it sound like it's the end of the world? Is there any damage done to person who is called by the pronoun which they don't refer?"


it’s psychologically harmful. people transition because they really don’t feel right as their birth sex, and people who know that intentionally calling them by the wrong name to remind them of it is deeply hurtful.

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:his government is also trying to ban chinese citizens from owning land in florida. I’m getting deja vu.

It may be disputable, but is it really so incredibly terrible to ban the citizens of our #1 adversary to own land in our states?


yes, but also I don’t think the republicans will stop there.
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu May 04, 2023 4:53 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:his government is also trying to ban chinese citizens from owning land in florida. I’m getting deja vu.

Read the article? It’s foreign nationals (for the most part, ultra-wealthy investors) from several rabidly anti-US countries who don’t live in or have citizenship in the US. The rich (especially those from repressive states that wish to harm us) don’t have some kind of right to buy out property and push up prices for people who actually need housing to live here, nor should they have free reign to interfere with US strategic interests because muh laissez-faire capitalism. The inclusion of North Koreans is admittedly ridiculous considering current embargoes and the state of their economy, but the move as a whole is largely a step forward for progress. Regulations are needed to stop oligarchs, foreign or domestic, from treading all over ordinary folk and becoming more powerful than the government itself. This isn’t an exception.

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Postby The Astral Mandate » Thu May 04, 2023 4:53 pm

I'ma go ask if Spain wants this stuff back
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Postby Saiwana » Thu May 04, 2023 5:00 pm

I approve of most of what Ron DeSantis has done so far if not all of it. Am a resident that isn't complaining. Florida can be a decent place to live, provided you're not where cost of living is expensive. But if your job is good that doesn't matter as much.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 04, 2023 5:06 pm

Saiwana wrote:I approve of most of what Ron DeSantis has done so far if not all of it. Am a resident that isn't complaining. Florida can be a decent place to live, provided you're not where cost of living is expensive. But if your job is good that doesn't matter as much.


You live in Florida? How do you handle all the Jews that live there?
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Postby Drongonia » Thu May 04, 2023 5:10 pm

The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:Yesterday Today (my bad) Ron DeSantis had passed a law that states that schools don't need to refer to students by their preferred pronouns, but instead by their assigned sex at birth.

This law means that if a college student is born male, and reassigns to female, their college can still refer to them as a male without punishment.

Good. Why should someone committing the offence of simply being rude be a crime or grounds for termination?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu May 04, 2023 5:12 pm

Drongonia wrote:
The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:Yesterday Today (my bad) Ron DeSantis had passed a law that states that schools don't need to refer to students by their preferred pronouns, but instead by their assigned sex at birth.

This law means that if a college student is born male, and reassigns to female, their college can still refer to them as a male without punishment.

Good. Why should someone committing the offence of simply being rude be a crime or grounds for termination?


Eh? Does that apply to someone dropping the Nbomb for black students?
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Postby United Calanworie » Thu May 04, 2023 5:23 pm

La Xinga wrote:Also, the original post makes it sound like the protesters were just protesting on the sidewalk, not doing anything wrong. They were in the capitol building.

omg the horror, people in the people's house.
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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Thu May 04, 2023 5:32 pm

more action is needed against the woke universities, i think ron desantis is the only person capable of closing the anti-american bastions of woke communism in this country, without the cultural marxist propaganda democrat universities, florida will be conservative permanently and no floridian will be subject to socialist brainwashing ever again
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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Thu May 04, 2023 5:33 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
La Xinga wrote:Also, the original post makes it sound like the protesters were just protesting on the sidewalk, not doing anything wrong. They were in the capitol building.

omg the horror, people in the people's house.

my feelings on january 6 2021, but unfortunately they were ANTIFA so they needed to leave
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Postby Hispida » Thu May 04, 2023 5:34 pm

but it's not a genocide i swear
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Postby La Xinga » Thu May 04, 2023 5:35 pm

United Calanworie wrote:
La Xinga wrote:Also, the original post makes it sound like the protesters were just protesting on the sidewalk, not doing anything wrong. They were in the capitol building.

omg the horror, people in the people's house.

You should be in full support of the January 6th protesters, then.
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La Xinga wrote:It's hard for me to understand the OSRS policy on transgenderism, but I think I'm allowed to say, "Why is the original post making it sound like it's the end of the world? Is there any damage done to person who is called by the pronoun which they don't refer?"


it’s psychologically harmful. people transition because they really don’t feel right as their birth sex, and people who know that intentionally calling them by the wrong name to remind them of it is deeply hurtful.

What if I say that for the remainder of my time on NationStates, you must refer to me as the Amazing La Xinga, the master of The United Penguin Commonwealths, or I'll suffer psychological harm?
It may be disputable, but is it really so incredibly terrible to ban the citizens of our #1 adversary to own land in our states?


yes, but also I don’t think the republicans will stop there.

You think the Republican Party will do what, then?

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Postby Hispida » Thu May 04, 2023 5:36 pm

La Xinga wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:omg the horror, people in the people's house.

You should be in full support of the January 6th protesters, then.

not UC, but: no, because i don't agree with them.
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Thu May 04, 2023 5:36 pm

Hispida wrote:but it's not a genocide i swear


genocide is when big govment murders people
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Postby La Xinga » Thu May 04, 2023 5:37 pm

Hispida wrote:
La Xinga wrote:You should be in full support of the January 6th protesters, then.

not UC, but: no, because i don't agree with them.

Only the people which you agree with should be allowed to protest in a capitol building; all those which don't agree with you must wait outside.

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Postby Rusozak » Thu May 04, 2023 5:37 pm

La Xinga wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:omg the horror, people in the people's house.

You should be in full support of the January 6th protesters, then.



Did this protestors force their way in and threaten violence upon those working there?
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Postby Drongonia » Thu May 04, 2023 5:37 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Drongonia wrote:Good. Why should someone committing the offence of simply being rude be a crime or grounds for termination?


Eh? Does that apply to someone dropping the Nbomb for black students?

So you reckon misgendering someone is like using the n word?

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Postby El Lazaro » Thu May 04, 2023 5:38 pm

La Xinga wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:omg the horror, people in the people's house.

You should be in full support of the January 6th protesters, then.

Inconveniencing a politician by sitting in front of an office in a publicly accessible state government building is not nearly as bad as attempting to overthrow the federal government, so no.

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Postby Juansonia » Thu May 04, 2023 5:39 pm

Drongonia wrote:
The Great Nevada Overlord wrote:Yesterday Today (my bad) Ron DeSantis had passed a law that states that schools don't need to refer to students by their preferred pronouns, but instead by their assigned sex at birth.

This law means that if a college student is born male, and reassigns to female, their college can still refer to them as a male without punishment.
Good. Why should someone committing the offence of simply being rude be a crime or grounds for termination?
If you are an employee doing customer-facing work (cashier, a professor, an ambassador, etc.), your behavior reflects on your employer. Employers have an interest in not being labeled "rude", "bigoted", or "annoying to deal with", so they often require their customer-facing employess to behave themselves.
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