SAG-AFTRA(actors) Strike

[Forsher]

I blame the French.

Half the writers' problems are auteur theory is used as an academic theory to validate their lesser status to the industry.

[Katganistan]

So, when they can't make enough to live on in their career, they should just suck it up? The workers have rights too, after all, and the companies need them just as much as (if not more than) they need the companies.

Hey, I hate my job. But I'm not gonna throw a fit and refuse to do it because I'm not getting treated like a king. Also, pretty sure they're making plenty of money. They're freaking Hollywood writers. They ain't making minimum wage out there.

They're not swimming in it, if that's what you're imagining.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/TV-Writer-Salary

[Cannot think of a name]

Hey, I hate my job. But I'm not gonna throw a fit and refuse to do it because I'm not getting treated like a king. Also, pretty sure they're making plenty of money. They're freaking Hollywood writers. They ain't making minimum wage out there.

They're not swimming in it, if that's what you're imagining.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/TV-Writer-Salary

And that's getting worse.

The use of 'micro-rooms' means that fewer writers are asked to do way more. And then these shows have 8-10 episodes which means shorter terms of employment. With micro rooms, writers are no longer on set with production so staff writers don't get the experience they need to become showrunners, so there's no real advancement from being a staff writer, the entry level position. With the smaller rooms there's also less room for those writers so its less possible to build a career. They're slowly choking off writer's ability to make a living.

[Ameriganastan]

Oh, I still am. And it is. We're all screwed. But I'm also insanely spiteful, and not above using it to teach people a lesson to get them back to making my TV.

Why shouldn't they get the pay they deserve and assurances they will not be replaced? Their demands aren't unreasonable at all. I want my tv back too but I want those who create it be treated with the respect they deserve.

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

[Necroghastia]

The audacity to whine about not having new TV shows, in a day and age where we basically have humanity's whole catalogue on tap... What makes you care so much about your shows, anyway?

[San Lumen]

Why shouldn't they get the pay they deserve and assurances they will not be replaced? Their demands aren't unreasonable at all. I want my tv back too but I want those who create it be treated with the respect they deserve.

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

This might shock you but none of them agree with you, the entire industry is behind them.

[Neanderthaland]

Why shouldn't they get the pay they deserve and assurances they will not be replaced? Their demands aren't unreasonable at all. I want my tv back too but I want those who create it be treated with the respect they deserve.

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

Actually the cameraguys and so on are backing the writers on this.

Aside from the AI issues, there's the concern about how studios want to change writing from a salaried model to a billable hours model. And that has horrible implications for everyone who works in a film crew. The boom mike operator isn't going to be able to support himself if he's only getting paid for the minutes he's holding a boom mike.

[Ifreann]

Why shouldn't they get the pay they deserve and assurances they will not be replaced? Their demands aren't unreasonable at all. I want my tv back too but I want those who create it be treated with the respect they deserve.

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

Good point, Ameri, IATSE should join this strike. Solidarity forever!

[Ameriganastan]

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

This might shock you but none of them agree with you, the entire industry is behind them.

Of course they are. Because until these lazy humps get back to work, they're out of work too.

[Ifreann]

This might shock you but none of them agree with you, the entire industry is behind them.

Of course they are. Because until these lazy humps get back to work, they're out of work too.

Wow, good point, supporting the union does mean the strike ends sooner and with their victory. But tell us again how you want the whole world destroyed rather than see the WGA win.

[Cannot think of a name]

Why shouldn't they get the pay they deserve and assurances they will not be replaced? Their demands aren't unreasonable at all. I want my tv back too but I want those who create it be treated with the respect they deserve.

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

IATSE, the union that represents those workers, stands with the WGA. Why? Because they're all in this together. The ones at NBC are getting pay and benefits.

So, you're attempt to weaponize other film workers is just a you thing. I've seen members from every guild out on the line and PAs have been bringing food and water to the writers. A good contract for the WGA means a better contract for them, especially SAG and DGA whose contracts end on June 30th.

[Neutraligon]

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

IATSE, the union that represents those workers, stands with the WGA. Why? Because they're all in this together. The ones at NBC are getting pay and benefits.

So, you're attempt to weaponize other film workers is just a you thing. I've seen members from every guild out on the line and PAs have been bringing food and water to the writers. A good contract for the WGA means a better contract for them, especially SAG and DGA whose contracts end on June 30th.

NOt a surprise, if the companies give in to the writers, then the other guilds would have a significantly stronger place to negotiate from.

[Cannot think of a name]

IATSE, the union that represents those workers, stands with the WGA. Why? Because they're all in this together. The ones at NBC are getting pay and benefits.

So, you're attempt to weaponize other film workers is just a you thing. I've seen members from every guild out on the line and PAs have been bringing food and water to the writers. A good contract for the WGA means a better contract for them, especially SAG and DGA whose contracts end on June 30th.

NOt a surprise, if the companies give in to the writers, then the other guilds would have a significantly stronger place to negotiate from.

It's why all the guilds supported IATSE in their negotiations. As the biggest union in the industry their deal could set the tone. The IATSE members on my feed weren't entirely happy with the deal they did get, but they made significant gains and if the WGA, DGA, and SAG can establish a standard regarding pay especially on streaming and with the future of AI, then IATSE will be in a better position next time around.

[Querria]

I support whatever benefits me more.

[Senkaku]

This might shock you but none of them agree with you, the entire industry is behind them.

Of course they are. Because until these lazy humps get back to work, they're out of work too.

Do you act like this when there’s a dockworkers’ strike too? “Why can’t they get their lazy humps back to work, there’s cheap shit from China I want to consume that’s being held up,” that sort of thing?

[Querria]

I blame the French.

Aaaaaaand sigged!

[Ameriganastan]

Of course they are. Because until these lazy humps get back to work, they're out of work too.

Do you act like this when there’s a dockworkers’ strike too? “Why can’t they get their lazy humps back to work, there’s cheap shit from China I want to consume that’s being held up,” that sort of thing?

...I live in Kentucky. I don't really have an opinion on dockworkers. Not something I see a lot of...if ever.

[United Calanworie]

Why shouldn't they get the pay they deserve and assurances they will not be replaced? Their demands aren't unreasonable at all. I want my tv back too but I want those who create it be treated with the respect they deserve.

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

IATSE, DGA, Teamsters, LIUNA, PGA, AFM, and the entire fuckin AFL-CIO are backing them. Union solidarity means union solidarity and backing a strike and NEVER crossing a picket line. Even if it's your own pocket that's hurting, the management is hurting worse.

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

Good point, Ameri, IATSE should join this strike. Solidarity forever!

Side note: IATSE has a specific no-sympathy-strike clause after their latest negotiations. They can't join in striking, but they're (afaik) allowed to picket with them when they're not contractually obligated to work. Management can't force them to cross a picket line though, that's a huge no-no, so in effect there's a work stoppage.

[Senkaku]

Do you act like this when there’s a dockworkers’ strike too? “Why can’t they get their lazy humps back to work, there’s cheap shit from China I want to consume that’s being held up,” that sort of thing?

...I live in Kentucky. I don't really have an opinion on dockworkers. Not something I see a lot of...if ever.

Whereas Kentucky is famously drowning in screenwriters…? Dockworkers in LA & SeaTac & NYNJ & New Orleans probably have way more of an actual material influence on your life than the fucking writer’s guild lol

[Ifreann]

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

IATSE, DGA, Teamsters, LIUNA, PGA, AFM, and the entire fuckin AFL-CIO are backing them. Union solidarity means union solidarity and backing a strike and NEVER crossing a picket line. Even if it's your own pocket that's hurting, the management is hurting worse.

Good point, Ameri, IATSE should join this strike. Solidarity forever!

Side note: IATSE has a specific no-sympathy-strike clause after their latest negotiations. They can't join in striking, but they're (afaik) allowed to picket with them when they're not contractually obligated to work. Management can't force them to cross a picket line though, that's a huge no-no, so in effect there's a work stoppage.

You gotta figure that for the bosses to insist on a no-sympathy-strike clause they must have known there'd be more strikes coming.

[Cannot think of a name]

Hey, you know who's not getting paid? All the cameramen, makeup people, grips, etc. that are also now out of work because a bunch of writers got pissy.

So yeah, real heroes those guys.

IATSE, DGA, Teamsters, LIUNA, PGA, AFM, and the entire fuckin AFL-CIO are backing them. Union solidarity means union solidarity and backing a strike and NEVER crossing a picket line. Even if it's your own pocket that's hurting, the management is hurting worse.

Good point, Ameri, IATSE should join this strike. Solidarity forever!

Side note: IATSE has a specific no-sympathy-strike clause after their latest negotiations. They can't join in striking, but they're (afaik) allowed to picket with them when they're not contractually obligated to work. Management can't force them to cross a picket line though, that's a huge no-no, so in effect there's a work stoppage.

Yeah, that's about the gist of it. IATSE members are well represented on the line, and if they have to cross a picket line to work they can refuse, but they could end up temporarily replaced. But there's no penalty other than the lost day for refusing to cross the picket line.

And there's general sympathy for those that can't refuse. I can't speak for all the locations but so far everyone has been treating cars going in and out with indifference. Some have even stopped to hand out food and water. Kinda drowning in donuts. Friday a catering coffee truck pulled up and made coffee for the picketers. I'm not even sure catering has a production union. I probably should know that...oh, of course. IATSE. When in doubt, IATSE.

[United Calanworie]

IATSE, DGA, Teamsters, LIUNA, PGA, AFM, and the entire fuckin AFL-CIO are backing them. Union solidarity means union solidarity and backing a strike and NEVER crossing a picket line. Even if it's your own pocket that's hurting, the management is hurting worse.

Side note: IATSE has a specific no-sympathy-strike clause after their latest negotiations. They can't join in striking, but they're (afaik) allowed to picket with them when they're not contractually obligated to work. Management can't force them to cross a picket line though, that's a huge no-no, so in effect there's a work stoppage.

You gotta figure that for the bosses to insist on a no-sympathy-strike clause they must have known there'd be more strikes coming.

Oh 10000% lmao. It's definitely the bosses going "oh fuck... the writers are *definitely* going to strike," and then realizing that IATSE on strike means they're ffuuuuuuuuuucccckkkkeeeddd for ages. Because the writers being on strike is only bad for the nightly shows for now, but if IATSE were to have a strike, the movie schedules would be so fucked.

[United Calanworie]

IATSE, DGA, Teamsters, LIUNA, PGA, AFM, and the entire fuckin AFL-CIO are backing them. Union solidarity means union solidarity and backing a strike and NEVER crossing a picket line. Even if it's your own pocket that's hurting, the management is hurting worse.

Side note: IATSE has a specific no-sympathy-strike clause after their latest negotiations. They can't join in striking, but they're (afaik) allowed to picket with them when they're not contractually obligated to work. Management can't force them to cross a picket line though, that's a huge no-no, so in effect there's a work stoppage.

Yeah, that's about the gist of it. IATSE members are well represented on the line, and if they have to cross a picket line to work they can refuse, but they could end up temporarily replaced. But there's no penalty other than the lost day for refusing to cross the picket line.

And there's general sympathy for those that can't refuse. I can't speak for all the locations but so far everyone has been treating cars going in and out with indifference. Some have even stopped to hand out food and water. Kinda drowning in donuts. Friday a catering coffee truck pulled up and made coffee for the picketers. I'm not even sure catering has a production union. I probably should know that...oh, of course. IATSE. When in doubt, IATSE.

That tracks.

Solidarity from your northern union brothers and sisters.

[Cannot think of a name]

You gotta figure that for the bosses to insist on a no-sympathy-strike clause they must have known there'd be more strikes coming.

Oh 10000% lmao. It's definitely the bosses going "oh fuck... the writers are *definitely* going to strike," and then realizing that IATSE on strike means they're ffuuuuuuuuuucccckkkkeeeddd for ages. Because the writers being on strike is only bad for the nightly shows for now, but if IATSE were to have a strike, the movie schedules would be so fucked.

I don't know how old the sympathy strike clause is, but they certainly had a reason to be concerned, when IATSE was negotiating their contract all the other unions stood in support. In the past they've been use to playing the unions off each other, but now that they're all starting to stand together they're a bit fucked. Which is the point of organized labor, to take back some leverage.

[Ifreann]

You gotta figure that for the bosses to insist on a no-sympathy-strike clause they must have known there'd be more strikes coming.

Oh 10000% lmao. It's definitely the bosses going "oh fuck... the writers are *definitely* going to strike," and then realizing that IATSE on strike means they're ffuuuuuuuuuucccckkkkeeeddd for ages. Because the writers being on strike is only bad for the nightly shows for now, but if IATSE were to have a strike, the movie schedules would be so fucked.

Apparently the Duffers are halting filming of the next season of Stranger Things, saying that writing doesn't stop when filming starts. So it's already more than just the nightly shows getting hit.