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Why is marijuana illegal in most countries?

Postby Caruchak » Sat May 29, 2010 12:11 pm

It just doesn't make sense to me...

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sat May 29, 2010 12:19 pm

Because it's not very socially acceptable.

Tobacco, coffee and alcohol are not illegal because we been using them quite a long time.
But marijuana isn't as popular and makes you a bit funny when you take it, so people view it as dangerous.

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Postby Caninope » Sat May 29, 2010 12:20 pm

Caruchak wrote:It just doesn't make sense to me...


It can be used to put the traffickers of other more dangerous drugs in jail.
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Postby Dakini » Sat May 29, 2010 12:21 pm

Because people have some stupid priorities.

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Postby Dakini » Sat May 29, 2010 12:22 pm

Caninope wrote:
Caruchak wrote:It just doesn't make sense to me...


It can be used to put the traffickers of other more dangerous drugs in jail.

Or it can be used to put small time drug dealers only selling pot in jail. It's important to get those scum off the streets so much that it's ok to let the rapists out early to make room for them.

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Postby Caninope » Sat May 29, 2010 12:24 pm

Dakini wrote:
Caninope wrote:
Caruchak wrote:It just doesn't make sense to me...


It can be used to put the traffickers of other more dangerous drugs in jail.

Or it can be used to put small time drug dealers only selling pot in jail. It's important to get those scum off the streets so much that it's ok to let the rapists out early to make room for them.


Can I get a source for this?
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Postby Soheran » Sat May 29, 2010 12:27 pm

Because it's a drug without a strong cultural presence--at least not when it was banned. Alcohol and tobacco are protected by their mainstream character.

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Postby New Manvir » Sat May 29, 2010 12:36 pm

Dakini wrote:Because people have some stupid priorities.


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Postby Hayteria » Sat May 29, 2010 12:38 pm

Soheran wrote:Because it's a drug without a strong cultural presence--at least not when it was banned. Alcohol and tobacco are protected by their mainstream character.

And yet, it is still illegal.

Obviously the cannabis-demonizing propaganda being widely believed plays a major role, but the question is more so where that comes from. To me the theory that some business interests saw potential competition from the cannabis plant (such as wood paper companies that could potentially lose sales to hemp paper) and deliberately promoted such propaganda, to counteract said competition, sounds plausible, but then again I'm not sure how much empirical evidence really supports that theory...

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Postby Call to power » Sat May 29, 2010 12:41 pm

because putting another drug on the market is pretty fucking stupid when we get so busy wrapping ourselves round lampposts as it is?

can't you just do a line of life or something?

Dakini wrote:Or it can be used to put small time drug dealers only selling pot in jail. It's important to get those scum off the streets so much that it's ok to let the rapists out early to make room for them.


1) they are still selling a drug that is both illegal and not regulated by any sort of standards nor do they care if you have a family history of mental illness or happen to be 12

basically they are paddlers of evil even if said evil is puppies

2) did you also know that child rapists often use the internet...*eyes narrow*
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Postby Arkinesia » Sat May 29, 2010 12:44 pm

Caninope wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Caninope wrote:
Caruchak wrote:It just doesn't make sense to me...

It can be used to put the traffickers of other more dangerous drugs in jail.

Or it can be used to put small time drug dealers only selling pot in jail. It's important to get those scum off the streets so much that it's ok to let the rapists out early to make room for them.

Can I get a source for this?

You're aware that 25% of all inmates in the US are in for drug possession, and that prisons are overcrowded, right?

If you don't believe me, maybe you will after reading this Department of Justice report.
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Postby Hayteria » Sat May 29, 2010 12:47 pm

Call to power wrote:because putting another drug on the market is pretty fucking stupid when we get so busy wrapping ourselves round lampposts as it is?

can't you just do a line of life or something?

There are plenty of illogical things people do, that doesn't mean they should all be illegal.

Besides, what do you mean "get so busy wrapping ourselves around lampposts" and what does this have to do with legalizing marijuana?

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sat May 29, 2010 12:47 pm

For example the labour party in the U.K for some reason has a hate for the relaxation of drug laws.
They gave blatant lies for the reason they keep weed illegal such as:
"Abolishing jail sentences for drugs like cocaine and heroin would lead to more drug use and more drug-related crime."

"Abolishing jail sentences for... cocaine and heroin would lead to more drug use and more drug-related crime"


Though another major political party in the U.K has backed making weed illegal. Hopefully they will use their new position in power to change these out-dated rules.

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Postby Soheran » Sat May 29, 2010 12:50 pm

Hayteria wrote:And yet, it is still illegal.


Political inertia is a powerful force, especially regarding something that can be pretty effectively demonized.

To me the theory that some business interests saw potential competition from the cannabis plant (such as wood paper companies that could potentially lose sales to hemp paper) and deliberately promoted such propaganda, to counteract said competition, sounds plausible, but then again I'm not sure how much empirical evidence really supports that theory...


It seems a bit of a stretch. What is undoubtedly true is that the immense lobbying influence of the tobacco companies play a role in the disparate treatment between the two.

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Postby Dakini » Sat May 29, 2010 12:53 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Caninope wrote:
Dakini wrote:
Caninope wrote:
Caruchak wrote:It just doesn't make sense to me...

It can be used to put the traffickers of other more dangerous drugs in jail.

Or it can be used to put small time drug dealers only selling pot in jail. It's important to get those scum off the streets so much that it's ok to let the rapists out early to make room for them.

Can I get a source for this?

You're aware that 25% of all inmates in the US are in for drug possession, and that prisons are overcrowded, right?

If you don't believe me, maybe you will after reading this Department of Justice report.

Thank you, I was being lazy about sourcing and hoping someone would do my job for me.

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Postby Call to power » Sat May 29, 2010 12:53 pm

Arkinesia wrote:You're aware that 25% of all inmates in the US are in for drug possession, and that prisons are overcrowded, right?


and 44% of all US prisoners are black so I guess we had better legalize that too then?

what I'm getting at is its silly to say prisons will magically empty if you stop arresting people for possession of a particular drug whilst completely ignoring the issues of why they came into possession
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sat May 29, 2010 12:54 pm

Hayteria wrote:
Soheran wrote:Because it's a drug without a strong cultural presence--at least not when it was banned. Alcohol and tobacco are protected by their mainstream character.

And yet, it is still illegal.

Obviously the cannabis-demonizing propaganda being widely believed plays a major role, but the question is more so where that comes from. To me the theory that some business interests saw potential competition from the cannabis plant (such as wood paper companies that could potentially lose sales to hemp paper) and deliberately promoted such propaganda, to counteract said competition, sounds plausible, but then again I'm not sure how much empirical evidence really supports that theory...


Methinks it's more likely tobacco companies as it's much easier to grow cannabis than it is tobacco.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat May 29, 2010 12:55 pm

Dakini wrote:
Caninope wrote:
Caruchak wrote:It just doesn't make sense to me...


It can be used to put the traffickers of other more dangerous drugs in jail.

Or it can be used to put small time drug dealers only selling pot in jail. It's important to get those scum off the streets so much that it's ok to let the rapists out early to make room for them.

:rofl:
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Postby Agaralia » Sat May 29, 2010 12:58 pm

Because of the 21st Ammendment
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Postby Techno-Soviet » Sat May 29, 2010 12:59 pm

It's because most countries are tyrannical nanny-states. Its ironic that Europe has a good portion of its mainland countries who aren't as tyrannical, at least socially. Fiscal tyranny is whole other thing in Europe.

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sat May 29, 2010 1:01 pm

Agaralia wrote:Because of the 21st Ammendment


You think a ratified amendment of the U.S constitution is the reason most countries in the world have banned marijuana?

Interesting.... ;)

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Postby Sibirsky » Sat May 29, 2010 1:02 pm

Call to power wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:You're aware that 25% of all inmates in the US are in for drug possession, and that prisons are overcrowded, right?


and 44% of all US prisoners are black so I guess we had better legalize that too then?

what I'm getting at is its silly to say prisons will magically empty if you stop arresting people for possession of a particular drug whilst completely ignoring the issues of why they came into possession


Legalize black people?
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Postby Agaralia » Sat May 29, 2010 1:03 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Agaralia wrote:Because of the 21st Ammendment


You think a ratified amendment of the U.S constitution is the reason most countries in the world have banned marijuana?

Interesting.... ;)

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Postby SaintB » Sat May 29, 2010 1:03 pm

In the US it was a combination of racism, religious fervor, and wealthy lobbyists. I don't know about other nations.
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Postby Emporer Pudu » Sat May 29, 2010 1:04 pm

Call to power wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:You're aware that 25% of all inmates in the US are in for drug possession, and that prisons are overcrowded, right?


and 44% of all US prisoners are black so I guess we had better legalize that too then?

Legalize being black? I think that is legal now...

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