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Who is Right ?

Postby Changhao » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:22 am

Over the years Palestine and The Muslim world have consistently argued with Israel. Here are some examples:

Six Day War: 1967
Yom Kippur War: 1973
Various small scale Muslim Attacks: 1973-Present
Israeli aggression in Palestine and vice versa: 1947-Present

So why do they hate each other so much in the first place and who is right?

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:22 am

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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:23 am

None of the above.

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Postby Dolbri » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:26 am

Dyakovo wrote:I am

Dude, I was gonna say that.

On topic: the Palestinian problem is very complicated, but I generally find that none of them are right -- and by "them" I mean extremists on either side, who seem to be dominating the news and public opinion.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:26 am

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Postby Colonic Immigration » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:28 am

Dyakovo wrote:I am

Beaten to the punch. You win.
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Postby Barzan » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:29 am

Changhao wrote:Over the years Palestine and The Muslim world have consistently argued with Israel. Here are some examples:

Six Day War: 1967
Yom Kippur War: 1973
Various small scale Muslim Attacks: 1973-Present
Israeli aggression in Palestine and vice versa: 1947-Present

So why do they hate each other so much in the first place and who is right?


You neglected to answer your own question. If you're going to post something, how about adding come commentary of your own?

I'll add my own:

Both sides need to simmer down. Israel needs to give back its pre-1967 territories and then everyone else needs to give it up. The problem is religious fanatics, both Jews and Muslims.
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Postby Angleter » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:34 am

Palestinians do not exist as a people, but the Jews do. 'Palestinians' are an Arab people whose faux nationality dates back to 1920, upon the Mandate for Palestine's creation by the League of Nations. In 1947, due to popular demand, the Jewish people were given a homeland carved out of the Mandate of Palestine. The Arabs maintained half of Palestine, and lost territory after successive failed wars of aggression against Israel.

My solution is to unite all the Arab states as one nation- possibly a federation under a Hashemite emperor, and leave Israel (and Lebanon) as they are now.
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Postby Dolbri » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:39 am

Angleter wrote:Palestinians do not exist as a people

Unfortunately for those silly Zionists, there's nothing better for a people's feelings of nationality than a common enemy. :)

My solution is to unite all the Arab states as one nation

Yes because we definitely need a single nation in control of half of the world's oil reserves.
EDIT: I actually don't see how this would solve the Palestinian problem. They are fighting over land, and more importantly, religion.
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Postby The Imperial Navy » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:41 am

It won't end until either Israel or the Palestinians are totally destroyed. Their hatred is now sealed in their blood, and will never cool.

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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:44 am

Angleter wrote:Palestinians do not exist as a people, but the Jews do. 'Palestinians' are an Arab people whose faux nationality dates back to 1920, upon the Mandate for Palestine's creation by the League of Nations. In 1947, due to popular demand, the Jewish people were given a homeland carved out of the Mandate of Palestine. The Arabs maintained half of Palestine, and lost territory after successive failed wars of aggression against Israel.

My solution is to unite all the Arab states as one nation- possibly a federation under a Hashemite emperor, and leave Israel (and Lebanon) as they are now.


So, why does "existing as a people" make on worthy of being a state? Why did Palestine get the short end of the stick when it came to give the Jews land? Hell why not give them a big slab of Montana. No one would notice or care.

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Postby Dolbri » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:47 am

Khadgar wrote:So, why does "existing as a people" make on worthy of being a state? Why did Palestine get the short end of the stick when it came to give the Jews land? Hell why not give them a big slab of Montana. No one would notice or care.

I think the Jews wanted Jerusalem at all costs.

Though maybe you could just move their wailing wall to Montana or something.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:50 am

Changhao wrote:Over the years Palestine and The Muslim world have consistently argued with Israel. Here are some examples:

Six Day War: 1967
Yom Kippur War: 1973
Various small scale Muslim Attacks: 1973-Present
Israeli aggression in Palestine and vice versa: 1947-Present

So why do they hate each other so much in the first place and who is right?


Like the song says, "Nobody's right if everybody's wrong"
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:52 am

Dolbri wrote:
Khadgar wrote:So, why does "existing as a people" make on worthy of being a state? Why did Palestine get the short end of the stick when it came to give the Jews land? Hell why not give them a big slab of Montana. No one would notice or care.

I think the Jews wanted Jerusalem at all costs.

Though maybe you could just move their wailing wall to Montana or something.


I think that's insufficient justification for the deaths that resulted. Still, the world was reeling from WWII and felt guilty and thus caved.

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Postby The_pantless_hero » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:54 am

Angleter wrote:Palestinians do not exist as a people, but the Jews do.

They exist as a people in the exact same way the Palestinians do.
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Postby Opola » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:55 am

The bible actually gotone thing right! There will always be bloodshed in the middle east.
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Postby Barzan » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:00 am

Angleter wrote:My solution is to unite all the Arab states as one nation...


Yeah, you could call it the United Arab Republic! (Man, for some reason I can't kick this feeling that something like that has been tried before and didn't work...)

Arab states hate each other almost as much as they hate Israel. It's the magic of religion. The Lebanese had wars over the "true" Islam, the Saudis kill the "wrong" kind, while the Iranian government claims theirs is the "true" one.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:07 am

Khadgar wrote: So, why does "existing as a people" make on worthy of being a state? Why did Palestine get the short end of the stick when it came to give the Jews land? Hell why not give them a big slab of Montana. No one would notice or care.


actually, they were. The UN divided the mandate into two seperate territories, one Israel, the other Palestine. Palestine did not achieve their independence as Israel did because the arab nations (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia plus a few others) invaded and occupied them. The Sanai and Gaza were given to Egypt, the Golan to Syria, and the West Bank to Jordan. All were used as staging grounds for further attacks on Israel, and were lost to israel in subsequent wars of aggression by the arab nations.
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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:10 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Khadgar wrote: So, why does "existing as a people" make on worthy of being a state? Why did Palestine get the short end of the stick when it came to give the Jews land? Hell why not give them a big slab of Montana. No one would notice or care.


actually, they were. The UN divided the mandate into two seperate territories, one Israel, the other Palestine. Palestine did not achieve their independence as Israel did because the arab nations (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia plus a few others) invaded and occupied them. The Sanai and Gaza were given to Egypt, the Golan to Syria, and the West Bank to Jordan. All were used as staging grounds for further attacks on Israel, and were lost to israel in subsequent wars of aggression by the arab nations.



How is that related at all to what I said?

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Postby Malibus » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:15 am

Khadgar wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Khadgar wrote: So, why does "existing as a people" make on worthy of being a state? Why did Palestine get the short end of the stick when it came to give the Jews land? Hell why not give them a big slab of Montana. No one would notice or care.


actually, they were. The UN divided the mandate into two seperate territories, one Israel, the other Palestine. Palestine did not achieve their independence as Israel did because the arab nations (Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia plus a few others) invaded and occupied them. The Sanai and Gaza were given to Egypt, the Golan to Syria, and the West Bank to Jordan. All were used as staging grounds for further attacks on Israel, and were lost to israel in subsequent wars of aggression by the arab nations.



How is that related at all to what I said?


The UN divided the mandate into two seperate (sic) territories, one Israel, the other Palestine.

Because you obviously missed it the first time, he is saying both Palestine and Israel got some land from the UN, so your "short end of the stick" argument is being refuted.

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Postby Khadgar » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:17 am

Malibus wrote:
The UN divided the mandate into two seperate (sic) territories, one Israel, the other Palestine.

Because you obviously missed it the first time, he is saying both Palestine and Israel got some land from the UN, so your "short end of the stick" argument is being refuted.


Palestine existed. The UN took a big old chunk and gave it to the Jews naming it Israel. How did the Palestinians not get hosed in the exchange?

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Postby Yootopia » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:21 am

Changhao wrote:So why do they hate each other so much in the first place

Because the Levant isn't that big.
and who is right?

Absolutely nobody in that particular bit of the world.
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Postby Vojvodina-Nihon » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:26 am

Khadgar wrote:
Malibus wrote:
The UN divided the mandate into two seperate (sic) territories, one Israel, the other Palestine.

Because you obviously missed it the first time, he is saying both Palestine and Israel got some land from the UN, so your "short end of the stick" argument is being refuted.


Palestine existed. The UN took a big old chunk and gave it to the Jews naming it Israel. How did the Palestinians not get hosed in the exchange?

I do believe that was British territory before the UN took control of it, not "Palestinian" territory.

If anything the UK should be complaining.

To answer the question: everyone's wrong. Even I'm wrong. But I, unlike the Israelis and Palestinians, accept that.
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Postby Ravea » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:32 am

Nobody is right.
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Postby Yootopia » Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:34 am

Vojvodina-Nihon wrote:I do believe that was British territory before the UN took control of it, not "Palestinian" territory.

It was a League of Nations 'Mandate'. As in "Colony with some legitimacy".
If anything the UK should be complaining.

Don't really see why, nothing even remotely good about owning a territory where both sides stick bombs up you, and each other, and try to act as if they had no choice.
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