Is safety or freedom better?

[Ifreann]

Yeah, you really have no how stupid this is, do you? You cannot force an entire law enforcement agency to do this. Again, the police during the prohibition era refused to arrest those who went to speakeasies or even gangs who smuggled alcohol into places.
You have zero chance of making this effective in any way.

Eh, maybe this won't work like this. But there will be a way to. I will find it.

Or maybe just grow up and stop with this "uwu pwease no viowence" bullshit. The shit you constantly advocate for would not be some cutesy sunshine and rainbows happy time, it would be a brutal dictatorship, and people would die resisting it. You will only get the safety you want by flooding the world with the blood of everyone who would rather be free, and even then you could never stop the bloodshed, because with every passing generation there will be some people willing to risk everything to get out from under your boot and you will have to kill them to stop them. If you aren't willing to pay that price to get the world you want then reconsider your beliefs. If you just want to play pretend then go to the roleplay forums.

[Neutraligon]

Eh, maybe this won't work like this. But there will be a way to. I will find it.

Or maybe just grow up and stop with this "uwu pwease no viowence" bullshit. The shit you constantly advocate for would not be some cutesy sunshine and rainbows happy time, it would be a brutal dictatorship, and people would die resisting it. You will only get the safety you want by flooding the world with the blood of everyone who would rather be free, and even then you could never stop the bloodshed, because with every passing generation there will be some people willing to risk everything to get out from under your boot and you will have to kill them to stop them. If you aren't willing to pay that price to get the world you want then reconsider your beliefs. If you just want to play pretend then go to the roleplay forums.

What floods is describing essentially is the world after the rapture, except it is humans at the top instead of a god. What they are failing to realize is that is a pretty key difference.

[Celritannia]

Or maybe just grow up and stop with this "uwu pwease no viowence" bullshit. The shit you constantly advocate for would not be some cutesy sunshine and rainbows happy time, it would be a brutal dictatorship, and people would die resisting it. You will only get the safety you want by flooding the world with the blood of everyone who would rather be free, and even then you could never stop the bloodshed, because with every passing generation there will be some people willing to risk everything to get out from under your boot and you will have to kill them to stop them. If you aren't willing to pay that price to get the world you want then reconsider your beliefs. If you just want to play pretend then go to the roleplay forums.

What floods is describing essentially is the world after the rapture, except it is humans at the top instead of a god. What they are failing to realize is that is a pretty key difference.

He's actually describing San Angeles in Demolition Man.

[Eternal Algerstonia]

would you rather be safe enough to be free, or be free enough to be safe

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

What they are failing to realize is that is a pretty key difference.

Is there?

I'd say that authoritarianism is authoritarianism and that belief in a god makes people more comfortable with the idea of an unaccountable ruler with absolute power over their subjects.

[Durzan]

He who exchanges freedom for safety will have neither in the end.

[Zerotaxia]

They will. They will go under the same counseling and dociling. And I guess you can't really bring anyone without violence. However, violence will be at a minimum. Law enforcement will be disarmed but rely on strength in numbers to take in small households.

Yeah, you really have no how stupid this is, do you? You cannot force an entire law enforcement agency to do this. Again, the police during the prohibition era refused to arrest those who went to speakeasies or even gangs who smuggled alcohol into places.
You have zero chance of making this effective in any way.

Well they certainly have no reservations about cuffing kids or poor minorities for possessing a bit of weed or an open container, and spiriting them away to a lifetime of debt and indentured labor in the prison industrial complex, while looking the other way for politicians and their family members who snort coke with hookers. Or beating and kettling the bejesus out of peaceful protesters. Or razing forests to build cop academies and shooting anyone who stands in their way. Policing in America is no more the noble profession it once was, and will never be as long as it keeps enforcing bullshit laws to separate the Have-Nots from the Haves.

Oh, there will be killin', 'cept those gettin' the killin' will be da cops, because this is how you get dead law enforcement peeps.

Having played Plague Inc, the strategy is to keep Severity and Lethality low to evade detection until everyone is infected; then you crank them up to eleven and watch the death tally shoot up. I.e. Act normal at first while slowly disarming your citizens via buybacks, amnesty and finally prohibition, like Australia. Then when the populace is fully defenseless, you will be able to spring any dystopian law you want on them, and it will be too late for anyone to stop you.

He who exchanges freedom for safety will have neither in the end.

100%. Corporate police states like America and Britain are neither free nor safe unless you belong to one of the privileged classes, e.g. cops and politicians.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

Policing in America is no more the noble profession it once was,

..."it once was"?

At what point in the transition from violent thugs who beat up runaway slaves to violent thugs who beat up minorities via violent thugs who beat up strikers was policing a noble profession?

Typical romanticist nonsense.

[Point Blob]

I advocate for the complete dissolution of human society because this collectivist authoritarian tyranny is too oppressive.

If I can't live the life of a hedonistic libertine, it isn't worth living.

... Okay, well honestly I wouldn't be that good at the hedonism part since I don't tend to be all that greedy in practice, but I still want to have the option.

[Heavenly Assault]

"Without order, nothing exists. Without chaos, nothing evolves".

[The Vooperian Union]

Freedom!!!!11!!!!1!

[Juansonia]

Policing in America is no more the noble profession it once was,

..."it once was"?

At what point in the transition from violent thugs who beat up runaway slaves to violent thugs who beat up minorities via violent thugs who beat up strikers was policing a noble profession?

Typical romanticist nonsense.

I'm guessing that policing was a noble profession when they stopped beating people up for long enough to sell the "protect and serve" message.

[Zerotaxia]

Policing in America is no more the noble profession it once was,

..."it once was"?

At what point in the transition from violent thugs who beat up runaway slaves to violent thugs who beat up minorities via violent thugs who beat up strikers was policing a noble profession?

Typical romanticist nonsense.

Romanticist? Lol. I am anti-cop through and through.

But cops of old only treated some people like shit; cops these days treat everyone like shit even their own grandmas. And especially other people's grandmas.

[Commonwealth of Adirondack]

You can't have one without the other.

If you're not safe, then you don't have freedom.

[The Vooperian Union]

Freedom-Fighting furries, UNITE!

[Lysset]

I'd rather be free than safe. My life would mean nothing if I was just cooped up in my house all day even moreso than I already am; I am here for a life lived well, not a life that was long. If I happen to have a well-lived life that ends at 100 that's just a bonus.

[The Vooperian Union]

I'd rather be free than safe. My life would mean nothing if I was just cooped up in my house all day even moreso than I already am; I am here for a life lived well, not a life that was long. If I happen to have a well-lived life that ends at 100 that's just a bonus.

Agree.

[Corporate Collective Salvation]

I'd rather be free than safe. My life would mean nothing if I was just cooped up in my house all day even moreso than I already am; I am here for a life lived well, not a life that was long. If I happen to have a well-lived life that ends at 100 that's just a bonus.

Not to mention that only you have the right to define what that is for you.

[Frisbeeteria]

If the leader prioritizes safety too much, the nation will become pain to live in.
If the leader prioritizes freedom too much, the nation's community will become pain to live in (just like the 2b2t minecraft server).

[Corporate Collective Salvation]

If the leader prioritizes safety too much, the nation will become pain to live in.
If the leader prioritizes freedom too much, the nation's community will become pain to live in (just like the 2b2t minecraft server).

Moderating that pendulum swing would be easier if the distinction between freedom, and freedom from responsibility was firmly grasped, and ideologues were honest about which one they were advancing.