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Postby Kyronea » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:49 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8128551.stm

Cash for Pirate Bay file-sharers
By Daniel Emery
Technology reporter, BBC News

The new owners of file-sharing website The Pirate Bay say users will be paid for sharing files.

Global Gaming Factory (GGF) paid 60m kronor (£4.7m) to take over the site.

In an exclusive interview with the BBC, GGF's Hans Pandeya said that the only way to beat illegal file-sharing was to make something more attractive.

"We are going to set up a system where the file-sharer actually makes money," he said.

According to Mr Pandeya, GGF's chief executive, the business model for The Pirate Bay would be that it continued to be a file-sharing site. The only difference - at least in terms of content - would be that the files would be hosted legally, rather than stolen from copyright holders.

"We're a listed company so everything we do has to be legal; content providers need to be paid and have their wishes and demands met," he said.

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Mr Pandeya said that one of the biggest hurdles in overcoming illegal file-sharing was that there was zero cost to the users, while legitimate sites required users to pay for content. The only way to make something more attractive than free was to pay users to share files.

"More than half of all internet traffic is file sharing and P2P [peer-to-peer] traffic and buying Pirate Bay gives us one of the biggest sources of traffic.

"We can then use this massive network of file-sharers to help [internet service providers] reduce overload.

"Let's say a popular song comes out. Rather than a million downloads from a site - which would cause a considerable strain on that ISP - we can take that song and put it out on P2P.

"The copyright holder still gets paid, the users still get their file, the ISP doesn't have a million people all grabbing a file and - for the users who share that song - a payment for putting that file on the P2P network."

Mr Pandeya said that while they would be paying content providers and file sharers, there was money to be made from helping ISPs cope with overload.

"We've been working with ISPs for over a year and we can cut their costs - when the system becomes overloaded - by 90%.

"All ISPs have this problem and it is one we can fix," he said.

Computer grid

The company is also looking at harnessing the storage capacity and processing power of the file-sharing community, creating a powerful grid of P2P-linked computers.

"We're talking about next-gen file sharing so you can create revenue from storage and internet traffic optimisation," he said.

However, GGF said that the technology to drive this was still in its infancy.

"This technology is new. For now, we're outlining our intentions and asking users to have faith," said Mr Pandeya
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That is NOT the sort of business model I was expecting, given The Pirate Bay's takeover.

...and I have to admit, it does have some promise to it...it might be just the way to deal with file-sharing and keep it running without continuously harming copyright holders.

But I question whether there are issues with it or not.

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Postby Articoa » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:52 am

Sort of kills the name of the site now, doesn't it?

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Postby Enphos » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:52 am

So they're now gonna PAY people to break copyright law? :blink:

I'm confused though, does this mean they're gonna charge people to use the site?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:53 am

Enphos wrote:So they're now gonna PAY people to break copyright law? :blink:

I'm confused though, does this mean they're gonna charge people to use the site?

That or make the money from advertisements and donations.

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Postby Neo Art » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:59 am

It's actually a very interesting buisness model. People flock to the site to download things, for free. Huge number of users. Rake up huge advertising revenue. Use some of that revenue to pay the fees for the material that the users download (thus making it perfectly legal) as well as paying people to continually host the files, so that the file is always available for download, thus attracting new users etc etc.
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Postby Kyronea » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:02 am

Enphos wrote:So they're now gonna PAY people to break copyright law? :blink:

I'm confused though, does this mean they're gonna charge people to use the site?

No, they're going to be paying for the copyright fees and everything else, so that the files become legally hosted.

But as Neo says, it is a very interesting model. Time will tell if it is successful, but if it is, we're probably going to see a revolution in file-sharing.

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Postby Ferrous Oxide » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:03 am

I don't think this is going to work.

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Postby Enphos » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:05 am

Kyronea wrote:
Enphos wrote:So they're now gonna PAY people to break copyright law? :blink:

I'm confused though, does this mean they're gonna charge people to use the site?

No, they're going to be paying for the copyright fees and everything else, so that the files become legally hosted.

But as Neo says, it is a very interesting model. Time will tell if it is successful, but if it is, we're probably going to see a revolution in file-sharing.


I see. It kinda ruins the idea of the site tbh, they might as well change the name.

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Postby Sirocco » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:07 am

Privateer Bay?

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Re: Being Paid To Share Files?!

Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:07 am

Enphos wrote:
Kyronea wrote:
Enphos wrote:So they're now gonna PAY people to break copyright law? :blink:

I'm confused though, does this mean they're gonna charge people to use the site?

No, they're going to be paying for the copyright fees and everything else, so that the files become legally hosted.

But as Neo says, it is a very interesting model. Time will tell if it is successful, but if it is, we're probably going to see a revolution in file-sharing.


I see. It kinda ruins the idea of the site tbh, they might as well change the name.

And lose the name recognition? Not a hope.

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Postby Deschenek » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:15 am

"Were a listed company so everything we do has to be legal"

Since when did that become a rule? :blink:

Looks like a revolution in mostly legal file sharing though I mainly use freeware *Go nethack*
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Postby The Imperial Navy » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:18 am

Time will tell, but it might work, might not.

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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:19 am

Sirocco wrote:Privateer Bay?

I'd buy that for a dollar!
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:20 am

Deschenek wrote:"Were a listed company so everything we do has to be legal"

Since when did that become a rule? :blink:

Looks like a revolution in mostly legal file sharing though I mainly use freeware *Go nethack*

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Re: Being Paid To Share Files?!

Postby Kyronea » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:30 am

Deschenek wrote:"Were a listed company so everything we do has to be legal"

Since when did that become a rule? :blink:


Given that the last owners of The Pirate Bay were fined thirty million kronor, I'd expect the new owners would make extra certain their activities are legal, lest the hammer of justice smite them from the heavens with demands of recompense.

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Postby Deschenek » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:44 am

Kyronea wrote:
Deschenek wrote:"Were a listed company so everything we do has to be legal"

Since when did that become a rule? :blink:


Given that the last owners of The Pirate Bay were fined thirty million kronor, I'd expect the new owners would make extra certain their activities are legal, lest the hammer of justice smite them from the heavens with demands of recompense.


Those hammers do fall down hard :lol:
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Postby The_pantless_hero » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:47 am

That is a clever proposal - pay p2pers for hosting services. Of course the copyright bulldogs for groups like the MPAA, RIAA, and big software groups will never let it happen so it will be confined to small nobodies and PirateBay will die because no on gives a rat's ass about small nobodies, they want popular software, music, and videos which the RIAA, MPAA, and software industry being stuck in the past will never allow and thus everyone moves on to the next major pirate site...

Neo Art wrote:Use some of that revenue to pay the fees for the material that the users download (thus making it perfectly legal)

Except you and I both know that the major industries will NEVER agree to that. Why take a pittance per file (that they wouldn't be getting paid for) when they could go to court and demand it be stopped so people will theoretically give them the amount of money they want to be paid for the material? And on the off-chance they do agree, they would demand ridiculously draconian add-ons to the files. Software would have pop-up/click-through advertisements (I dream of the days when having advertising in software meant you got it FREE) to use it, all files would have sharing and install limits beyond standard, music and movies would have quality limits, etc.
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