America's Ammo Addictions

[Osmauri]

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[Exarkyon]

Agreed. That's like taking a back scratcher to a cannon fight.

Is that not precisely what you're advocating for, though?

He is advocating for, instead of taking a cannon when a rifle is sufficient, taking a rifle.

Take the least lethal option that can still do what needs to be done.

[Exarkyon]

Agreed. That's like taking a back scratcher to a cannon fight.

Is that not precisely what you're advocating for, though?

He is advocating for, instead of taking a cannon when a rifle is sufficient, taking a rifle.

Take the least lethal option that can still do what needs to be done.

[American Legionaries]

Is that not precisely what you're advocating for, though?

He is advocating for, instead of taking a cannon when a rifle is sufficient, taking a rifle.

Take the least lethal option that can still do what needs to be done.

What needs to be done is neutralization of the threat as quickly as possible. Rubber bullets do not neutralize the threat faster than metallic ones.

[Icoe]

Not a bad idea, however, non-lethals are a pro and con. If we get rid of live ammo, then what happens if someone has a weapon that isn't a firearm? what will happen to major bullet and gun industries? Many things go into account. I don't think the issue can franky be solved with banning anythng. Just better mental care facilities and better teaching and parents. Not saying all those are factors but in most cases.

[Exarkyon]

Not a bad idea, however, non-lethals are a pro and con. If we get rid of live ammo, then what happens if someone has a weapon that isn't a firearm? what will happen to major bullet and gun industries? Many things go into account. I don't think the issue can franky be solved with banning anythng. Just better mental care facilities and better teaching and parents. Not saying all those are factors but in most cases.

Problem is that mental care facilities need you to go in in the first place to work. But yeah, I can see your view on bans.

I think media need to stop propelling shooters or their deeds to instant infamy. I think we'd be surprised how much that reduces the problem.

[Osmauri]

Not a bad idea, however, non-lethals are a pro and con. If we get rid of live ammo, then what happens if someone has a weapon that isn't a firearm? what will happen to major bullet and gun industries? Many things go into account. I don't think the issue can franky be solved with banning anythng. Just better mental care facilities and better teaching and parents. Not saying all those are factors but in most cases.

Hence why I wouldn't advocate a simple ban. And the major arms industries can funnel their surplus to the military and allies... they do it enough as it is.
As for a knife? Well, this is about specifically firearms, not knives. Realistically, there's no way to completely stop the stabbing that occurs without just eliminating all the knives, which isn't possible. Once again, just something that's only part of a solution.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Australia knows what works as far as gun control goes. Why reinvent the wheel?

[Osmauri]

Australia knows what works as far as gun control goes. Why reinvent the wheel?

Because this isn't Australia, this is A M E R I C A .

Just try to imagine disarming up to a hundred million people of lethal weapons. Why do you think that's doable for us?

[American Legionaries]

Australia knows what works as far as gun control goes. Why reinvent the wheel?

Getting shot sounds like more fun than living in Australia.

[Osmauri]

Australia knows what works as far as gun control goes. Why reinvent the wheel?

Getting shot sounds like more fun than living in Australia.

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Debatable at best, depends on how much you hate spiders

[Exarkyon]

Getting shot sounds like more fun than living in Australia.

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Wait, I'm thinking about this

Debatable at best, depends on how much you hate spiders

I like spiders and still do not want to live there.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Australia knows what works as far as gun control goes. Why reinvent the wheel?

Because this isn't Australia, this is A M E R I C A .

Just try to imagine disarming up to a hundred million people of lethal weapons. Why do you think that's doable for us?

Yes, the United States has more citizens who own guns. But that means it also has more citizens who support gun control, and more law enforcement individuals willing to enforce it. If you're going to argue Australia's gun control cannot work in America, you'll have to do better than that.

Australia knows what works as far as gun control goes. Why reinvent the wheel?

Getting shot sounds like more fun than living in Australia.

Why?

Getting shot sounds like more fun than living in Australia.

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Wait, I'm thinking about this

Debatable at best, depends on how much you hate spiders

They have antivenom for spider bites now. Certainly a more easily recoverable injury than a bullet wound.

[Exarkyon]

Because this isn't Australia, this is A M E R I C A .

Just try to imagine disarming up to a hundred million people of lethal weapons. Why do you think that's doable for us?

Yes, the United States has more citizens who own guns. But that means it also has more citizens who support gun control, and more law enforcement individuals willing to enforce it. If you're going to argue Australia's gun control cannot work in America, you'll have to do better than that.

Getting shot sounds like more fun than living in Australia.

Why?

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Wait, I'm thinking about this

Debatable at best, depends on how much you hate spiders

They have antivenom for spider bites now. Certainly a more easily recoverable injury than a bullet wound.

I'm pretty sure the comment about spiders was in jest.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

I'm pretty sure the comment about spiders was in jest.

Hard to tell, with gun nuts. They non-ironically continue to invoke the "revolutionary right" to overthrow the government, even though January 6th has told us how distorted an idea they have of when overthrowing the government is or isn't justified. :/

[Osmauri]

Because this isn't Australia, this is A M E R I C A .

Just try to imagine disarming up to a hundred million people of lethal weapons. Why do you think that's doable for us?

Yes, the United States has more citizens who own guns. But that means it also has more citizens who support gun control, and more law enforcement individuals willing to enforce it. If you're going to argue Australia's gun control cannot work in America, you'll have to do better than that.

Getting shot sounds like more fun than living in Australia.

Why?

I swe-
Wait, I'm thinking about this

Debatable at best, depends on how much you hate spiders

They have antivenom for spider bites now. Certainly a more easily recoverable injury than a bullet wound.

We hate our law enforcement and government waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than in Australia however. We already distrust them both.
This is from an American. I think you are an Aussie. If so: What worked for Australia is not guaranteed to work for America. And vice versa.

[Osmauri]

I'm pretty sure the comment about spiders was in jest.

Hard to tell, with gun nuts. They non-ironically continue to invoke the "revolutionary right" to overthrow the government, even though January 6th has told us how distorted an idea they have of when overthrowing the government is or isn't justified. :/

I made no mention of what you said. I also have no idea what you just said or tried to say, rather.
What are you saying, again? And please don't just judge people as gun nuts like that.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Australia knows what works as far as gun control goes. Why reinvent the wheel?

Couple years old but I'm still getting mileage out of this post.

To claim Australian gun control measures worked is very much a misrepresentation of the data. At absolute best we can argue it didn't shift things one way or the other.

[Osmauri]

Australia knows what works as far as gun control goes. Why reinvent the wheel?

Couple years old but I'm still getting mileage out of this post.

To claim Australian gun control measures worked is very much a misrepresentation of the data. At absolute best we can argue it didn't shift things one way or the other.

*vroom vroom VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

There goes your post. I think you had enough miles it just became self-aware. Better contact Tesla for a refund.

[American Legionaries]

Why?

While he wasn't the first to express the sentiment, I would hearken back to the words of Patrick Henry, when he famously said

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Why?

While he wasn't the first to express the sentiment, I would hearken back to the words of Patrick Henry, when he famously said

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Which particular laws are you comparing to "chains and slavery" and why are civilians with guns the answer?

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I'll look into the other user's sources later when I get a chance.

[Osmauri]

Why?

While he wasn't the first to express the sentiment, I would hearken back to the words of Patrick Henry, when he famously said

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Not exactly the same magnitude of loss-of-liberty, lol.
And I'd argue that the deaths of innocents is a much firmer trampling of basic liberty than, say, not being able to plug every crook you meet with enough lead that it starts yelling heavy metal. (if you get the two jokes there you are awesome)

[American Legionaries]

While he wasn't the first to express the sentiment, I would hearken back to the words of Patrick Henry, when he famously said

Which particular laws are you comparing to "chains and slavery"

The National Firearms Agreement.

and why are civilians with guns the answer

That seems self evident.

[Osmauri]

Which particular laws are you comparing to "chains and slavery"

The National Firearms Agreement.

and why are civilians with guns the answer

That seems self evident.

Not to them and frankly not to me either. What I'm suggesting is influenced by the impossibility of disarming the entire country. If it was even doable, I'd advocate for a total ban on civilian firearm ownership.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Which particular laws are you comparing to "chains and slavery"

The National Firearms Agreement.

and why are civilians with guns the answer

That seems self evident.

...that's not how logic works. If the idea is that guns are there to deter tyranny, you can't just say "you're tyrannical because you don't let us have guns!" What actual forms of tyranny do you need to "use" the guns to deter?