Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:37 pmNationStates
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Dictatorship in America
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:37 pmPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:50 pmAll these people giddy at the prospect of a dictatorship aligned with their views radiate the same energy as members of the Nazi SA prior to the Night of the Long Knives.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:54 pmUtquiagvik wrote:shit situation for literally anyone who isn’t a white, straight, Republican male. No thanks, I would like to keep our democracy.
ahh yes so if the usa did become a dictatorship i would be fine is what your saying?
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:56 pmUtquiagvik wrote:shit situation for literally anyone who isn’t a white, straight, Republican male. No thanks, I would like to keep our democracy.
As a white republican male, I doubt it
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:02 pmmost people in favor of a dictatorship in the US are white supremacists, religious funamentalists, or outright fascists, and fascism as a rule ends badly for everyone who isn’t the in-group.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:21 pmAbsolutely not, freedom, not only is an American right as listed in the constitution. But is also a basic human right. Especially since the removal of freedom removes the incentive to respect other human rights.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:21 pmDictators are only good when I agree with them! Then they’re just doing gods work with no oversight! But if they aren’t exactly my belief, then they’re a tyrannical dictator who needs to be taken down!
I’m not a hypocrite, what do you mean?
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:24 pmBursken wrote:Theodores Tomfooleries wrote:It's BASED when the state persecutes, jails and slaughters MY political opponents but when it happens to me it's CRINGE.
Dictators are only good when I agree with them! Then they’re just doing gods work with no oversight! But if they aren’t exactly my belief, then they’re a tyrannical dictator who needs to be taken down!
I’m not a hypocrite, what do you mean?
I agree with an
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:27 pmDictatorship isn't the absence of freedom, it's the absence of democracy.Zaroxa wrote:Absolutely not, freedom, not only is an American right as listed in the constitution. But it is also a basic human right. Especially since the removal of freedom removes the incentive to respect other human rights.
Arguing "dictatorship bad because no freedom or human rights" doesn't work against a pro-my-ideal-dictatorship stance, but it works great against a pro-implementing-dictatorship stance(assuming that people care about freedom and human rights).
That's actually my stance: I don't give a shit about democracy in itself, but I care about the results that Democracy is better at bringing.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 6:49 pmJuansonia wrote:Dictatorship isn't the absence of freedom, it's the absence of democracy.Zaroxa wrote:Absolutely not, freedom, not only is an American right as listed in the constitution. But it is also a basic human right. Especially since the removal of freedom removes the incentive to respect other human rights.
Arguing "dictatorship bad because no freedom or human rights" doesn't work against a pro-my-ideal-dictatorship stance, but it works great against a pro-implementing-dictatorship stance(assuming that people care about freedom and human rights).
That's actually my stance: I don't give a shit about democracy in itself, but I care about the results that Democracy is better at bringing.
If the government is given complete control they can do whatever they want. That means yes, they can accidentally purposefully deny food to a large region of their territory resulting in the starvation of 3.9 million people. But it's okay that territory had people who disliked the idea of their country committing genocide on ethnic groups in it. Which means that if they care about other people that do not share their beliefs and in some cases physical characteristics, they would oppose a dictatorship at all costs. Now about your "assuming people care about freedom and human rights" part if someone really doesn't care that people are being oppressed or even killed then I really could care less about them. To me they are dead.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:02 pmZaroxa wrote:Juansonia wrote:Dictatorship isn't the absence of freedom, it's the absence of democracy.
Arguing "dictatorship bad because no freedom or human rights" doesn't work against a pro-my-ideal-dictatorship stance, but it works great against a pro-implementing-dictatorship stance(assuming that people care about freedom and human rights).
That's actually my stance: I don't give a shit about democracy in itself, but I care about the results that Democracy is better at bringing.
If the government is given complete control they can do whatever they want. That means yes, they can accidentally purposefully deny food to a large region of their territory resulting in the starvation of 3.9 million people. But it's okay that territory had people who disliked the idea of their country committing genocide on ethnic groups in it. Which means that if they care about other people that do not share their beliefs and in some cases physical characteristics, they would oppose a dictatorship at all costs. Now about your "assuming people care about freedom and human rights" part if someone really doesn't care that people are being oppressed or even killed then I really could care less about them. To me they are dead.
The degree to which a government exercises control isn't caused by the the system of government.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:11 pmAmerican Legionaries wrote:Zaroxa wrote:
If the government is given complete control they can do whatever they want. That means yes, they can accidentally purposefully deny food to a large region of their territory resulting in the starvation of 3.9 million people. But it's okay that territory had people who disliked the idea of their country committing genocide on ethnic groups in it. Which means that if they care about other people that do not share their beliefs and in some cases physical characteristics, they would oppose a dictatorship at all costs. Now about your "assuming people care about freedom and human rights" part if someone really doesn't care that people are being oppressed or even killed then I really could care less about them. To me they are dead.
The degree to which a government exercises control isn't caused by the the system of government.
My bad I forgot Hitler allowed the Jews to vote whether or not they were killed en masse before sending the Einsatzgruppen to kill them.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:13 pmBeing right does not bestow the right to be
self-righteous.
Do what is right for you, and if others follow your lead, so be it, and if they do not, so be it.
Without an arbiter above human stature physically present to judge for sure, who can say you were actually right to begin with?
Thusly, there is no justification for tyranny by any standard from any wing of political, or religious thought not founded on "convert by the sword".
Any such belief system, religious or secular, should be scorned and scoured from the face of the Earth by all who understand that by whatever convention you deify, because we all make something into a god to help focus and direct our lives, is your way, and yours alone even amongst the like minded who worship it with you.
Give it voice, if you must, but do not give it blood.
That only serves to disqualify your faith, and everything else about you that makes you human.
self-righteous.
Do what is right for you, and if others follow your lead, so be it, and if they do not, so be it.
Without an arbiter above human stature physically present to judge for sure, who can say you were actually right to begin with?
Thusly, there is no justification for tyranny by any standard from any wing of political, or religious thought not founded on "convert by the sword".
Any such belief system, religious or secular, should be scorned and scoured from the face of the Earth by all who understand that by whatever convention you deify, because we all make something into a god to help focus and direct our lives, is your way, and yours alone even amongst the like minded who worship it with you.
Give it voice, if you must, but do not give it blood.
That only serves to disqualify your faith, and everything else about you that makes you human.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:16 pmCountesia wrote:Do you support the abolishment of democracy in the United States to make way for a non-democratic government?[/blocktext]
The United States is not a democracy, by design, we are a federal presidential constitutional republic. We were once democratic and we still have democratic institutions, but we've long been a managed democracy, in which the preferences of voters through theses institutions has little influence on the policies enacted by their ostensible representatives and even less on the actions of the government apparatus itself.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:30 pmUtquiagvik wrote:shit situation for literally anyone who isn’t a white, straight, Republican male. No thanks, I would like to keep our democracy.
a dictatorship is not synonymous with all of that anyway
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:32 pmForgetting things that aren't true is a concerning phenomenon...
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:43 pmThe US was founded as a species of republic.
However, progressive socioeconomic evolution throughout the twentieth century has had significant effect on that original premise.
With Congress delegating much of its responsibility to bureaucracy, and the creation of official and unofficial public/private partnerships in fundamental sectors like insurance, finance, healthcare, telecommunication, and information technology, what American Marxist's ignorantly denounce as capitalism, has actually become a fascist styled cronyism in all but name.
Essentially, an administrated state where progressive corporate and political interests make end runs around citizen and constitution alike by passing the ball back and forth as needed, and cheered on from the sidelines by one squad of cheerleaders ineffectually posing as honest and impartial brokers of information.
However, progressive socioeconomic evolution throughout the twentieth century has had significant effect on that original premise.
With Congress delegating much of its responsibility to bureaucracy, and the creation of official and unofficial public/private partnerships in fundamental sectors like insurance, finance, healthcare, telecommunication, and information technology, what American Marxist's ignorantly denounce as capitalism, has actually become a fascist styled cronyism in all but name.
Essentially, an administrated state where progressive corporate and political interests make end runs around citizen and constitution alike by passing the ball back and forth as needed, and cheered on from the sidelines by one squad of cheerleaders ineffectually posing as honest and impartial brokers of information.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:57 pmCorporate Collective Salvation wrote:The US was founded as a species of republic.
However, progressive socioeconomic evolution throughout the twentieth century has had significant effect on that original premise.
With Congress delegating much of its responsibility to bureaucracy, and the creation of official and unofficial public/private partnerships in fundamental sectors like insurance, finance, healthcare, telecommunication, and information technology, what American Marxist's ignorantly denounce as capitalism, has actually become a fascist styled cronyism in all but name.
Essentially, an administrated state where progressive corporate and political interests make end runs around citizen and constitution alike by passing the ball back and forth as needed, and cheered on from the sidelines by one squad of cheerleaders ineffectually posing as honest and impartial brokers of information.
In America I could strip down to my underwear, paint Satanic symbols on my body, go outside and yell obscenities at government officials while holding an automatic weapon in one hand, all the whilst recording an anti government film, without having to serve time. So yes the government does in fact oppress everyone who disagrees with them.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:58 pmZaroxa wrote:Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:The US was founded as a species of republic.
However, progressive socioeconomic evolution throughout the twentieth century has had significant effect on that original premise.
With Congress delegating much of its responsibility to bureaucracy, and the creation of official and unofficial public/private partnerships in fundamental sectors like insurance, finance, healthcare, telecommunication, and information technology, what American Marxist's ignorantly denounce as capitalism, has actually become a fascist styled cronyism in all but name.
Essentially, an administrated state where progressive corporate and political interests make end runs around citizen and constitution alike by passing the ball back and forth as needed, and cheered on from the sidelines by one squad of cheerleaders ineffectually posing as honest and impartial brokers of information.
In America I could strip down to my underwear, paint Satanic symbols on my body, go outside and yell obscenities at government officials while holding an automatic weapon in one hand, all the whilst recording an anti government film, without having to serve time. So yes the government does in fact oppress everyone who disagrees with them.
pretty sure that would be disturbing the peace, and you'd probably get a brandishing/assault charge in the mix as well.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:30 pmHaganham wrote:pretty sure that would be disturbing the peace, and you'd probably get a brandishing/assault charge in the mix as well.
The statutes of your average Democrat municipality pretty much guarantees prison time for illegal firearms possession.
Unless you are an activist inciting violence on their behalf.
The current Vice President will likely bail you out if there is not a progressive DA at hand to throw your case out completely.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:33 pmFloofybit wrote:Making sure the people are alive.
Why would my life and everything that goes with it, e.g. health and safety, be anyone's business but mine? So the corporate cartels can prolong their revenue stream and siphon as much money off me as they can?
Stringent law enforcement, surveillance, stricter laws against assault and the like
Nah, I just want the government to butt out of my life and stay invisible.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:38 pmCorporate Collective Salvation wrote:Haganham wrote:pretty sure that would be disturbing the peace, and you'd probably get a brandishing/assault charge in the mix as well.
The statutes of your average Democrat municipality pretty much guarantees prison time for illegal firearms possession.
Unless you are an activist inciting violence on their behalf.
The current Vice President will likely bail you out if there is not a progressive DA at hand to throw your case out completely.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:44 pmNecroghastia wrote:Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:The statutes of your average Democrat municipality pretty much guarantees prison time for illegal firearms possession.
Unless you are an activist inciting violence on their behalf.
The current Vice President will likely bail you out if there is not a progressive DA at hand to throw your case out completely.
CCS seems to have crossed over to us from some alternate reality where communist liberals have overrun America while good conservative Christians just quietly try to live their lives without bothering anyone about anything.
Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:45 pmPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:57 pmOr you are looking at that country through a mirror darkly.
Their Associated Press, as a whole, tends to have that effect.