Is America headed for another Civil War?

[Kvatchdom]

The modern American psyche being what it is, in regards to just going on with their lives as their government funds and does mass murder and genocide, and with mass murder of children in their own country, can in part in my opinion be attributed to the fact that they haven't suffered the horrors of war and tension within their own borders unlike the rest of the world for the past 130 or so years, mixed with propaganda, media silence and the cult of individualism. I'm not saying it'd be good that they'd have a civil war, but that it might break that acceptance of death a little. Human life is given very little value in the US.

[Kuranis]

Highly doubtable. First, we are perilously close to WWIII. Secondly, no one (at least, of the sane people) want to fight. Thirdly, political division does not always lead to civil war.

Directed towards the OP and certain other posters, I must say to say "white Christian nationalists" will start another civil war cause the "white Christian" south started the last one, is utterly ridiculous. After all, "white Christian nationalists" (I mean, what d'you think Lincoln, Grant or Sherman, etc. were?) fought to suppress slavery and the Confederacy. A better (and more historically accurate, though far from perfectly so) division between the sides of the civil war would be the "Anti-Slavery, Pro-Federal, Industralized-ish North" and the "Pro-Slavery, Pro-States-Rights, Agriculturized South". (And you would have the middle states which were kind of a mix of the two.)

Furthermore, to constantly harp on "the far right! the far right!" is ridiculous in this day and age as even libertarian types get called "far right" by some hard line liberals. Undoubtedly, there are those who actually are far right and do want a "regime change" (*looks suspiciously at USR*) but to label almost all conservatives as "far right" is as ridiculous as conservatives labeling all liberals as "far left".

Ok, I was going someplace with this but got up to get a drink of water and lost my train of thought. Long story short: no one's starting a civil war, very, very, very few people actually want do (I mean, there's probably some psycho out there who would), and I had a third thing but lost my train of thought again.

well, to start wars, they don't start with the knowledge of the people. If you had asked any Russian 6 months before Russia invaded Ukraine if he wanted a war with Ukraine, he would have laughed and would not have believed even hypothetically in such a scenario. There will be 5 percent of idiots both from you and from us that they want to fight, but this is in any nation. Even Naryshkin, who heads Russian intelligence, could not recover from the shock for a long time after learning about the plans of the special operation in a few days. The president's office was greatly disorganized by the news of the invasion... Such a division of elites into two stable parts is dangerous in many countries, polarization leads to the formation of potential parties to the conflict.Ukraine was divided into a pro-Russian east and a pro-western west, which once almost led to a civil war, the second time led to a civil war and, worse, intervention. The division is clear into supporters of Rudsky and supporters of Yeltsin, this led to a short civil war in the center of Moscow and the shooting of the parliament. It's just that you have it in the very order of things, and it has become a political tradition. The argument about "a clear division of elites into opposing groups" is not an argument. One moment that determines many political changes is political will. Vladimir Lenin was one of the few who had the will to disperse the constituent assembly, so he made a coup that provoked a civil war in Russia (1918-1922). Trump had the same rare chance to make a political coup using Biden's falsifications on January 6, 2021... Considering that the "Democrats" would not admit defeat, a civil war could hypothetically arise. Trump had no will. Therefore, it is very unlikely that there will be a civil war in America, no matter bloody or as in the 19th century, to such a degree of brutality

[The Black Forrest]

If only I was given a nickel for every time “a new civil war” is mentioned.

[Floofybit]

If only I was given a nickel for every time “a new civil war” is mentioned.

A new civil war

Consider this a tip

[The Black Forrest]

If only I was given a nickel for every time “a new civil war” is mentioned.

A new civil war

Consider this a tip

Thank you!

[Rhodesia-South Africa]

Believe me, if someone like Joe Biden or Ron DeSantis were to encourage states to split off from the rest of the United States and declare war on those who don’t secede from the Union, I feel like that would be grounds for a revolution. If the government is going to make Americans kill each other because of their opinion on the economy or whatever, it should be overthrown

[San Lumen]

Believe me, if someone like Joe Biden or Ron DeSantis were to encourage states to split off from the rest of the United States and declare war on those who don’t secede from the Union, I feel like that would be grounds for a revolution. If the government is going to make Americans kill each other because of their opinion on the economy or whatever, it should be overthrown

No one is going to encourage such insanity.

[Milk Island]

Trump will stop any of this civil war nonsense

[Theodores Tomfooleries]

Soon.

[Stellar Colonies]

no

[Necroghastia]

Believe me, if someone like Joe Biden or Ron DeSantis were to encourage states to split off from the rest of the United States and declare war on those who don’t secede from the Union, I feel like that would be grounds for a revolution. If the government is going to make Americans kill each other because of their opinion on the economy or whatever, it should be overthrown

No one is going to encourage such insanity.

i mean we literally had a coup attempt goaded on by multiple politicians including the then-president two years ago, to say no one would encourage it is seems naive

[San Lumen]

No one is going to encourage such insanity.

i mean we literally had a coup attempt goaded on by multiple politicians including the then-president two years ago, to say no one would encourage it is seems naive

We had states succeed from the union in 186 and look were it got us. Who in their right mind wants a repeat of that? That's not even considering the highly questionable things Lincoln did to keep Maryland from succeeding. Had they done so the war would have been over before it even began.

[Necroghastia]

i mean we literally had a coup attempt goaded on by multiple politicians including the then-president two years ago, to say no one would encourage it is seems naive

We had states succeed from the union in 186 and look were it got us. Who in their right mind wants a repeat of that? That's not even considering the highly questionable things Lincoln did to keep Maryland from succeeding. Had they done so the war would have been over before it even began.

Your problem lies with "in their right mind."

We have MTG and company in government.

[Vikanias]

No, not a civil war, something akin to the troubles.

Buuuut, my political opponents and people I disagree with wants it to happen! Trying to harm people that they disagree with! our nutjobs don’t it want but everyone who is slightly different politically do! I swear!

[Diuhon]

Apparently so.

I'd argue that if the United States were not THE hegemon, not THE hyperpower, not the nation acting as the lynchpin of the current world order, a civil war would ultimately be good for democracy not just within the country but outside it.

As it is, though? This world is fucked, and all because a certain portion of humanity decided a fucking authoritarian monster was the perfect fit for high office -- and continues to do so!

[Cachard Calia]

Apparently so.

I'd argue that if the United States were not THE hegemon, not THE hyperpower, not the nation acting as the lynchpin of the current world order, a civil war would ultimately be good for democracy not just within the country but outside it.

As it is, though? This world is fucked, and all because a certain portion of humanity decided a fucking authoritarian monster was the perfect fit for high office -- and continues to do so!

I'd agree, except there may be a coup, but not a civil war. The military is too centralized and indocrinated (also overfunded), and the populace just isn't powerful enough anymore to fight the federal government without military support.

[San Lumen]

Apparently so.

I'd argue that if the United States were not THE hegemon, not THE hyperpower, not the nation acting as the lynchpin of the current world order, a civil war would ultimately be good for democracy not just within the country but outside it.

As it is, though? This world is fucked, and all because a certain portion of humanity decided a fucking authoritarian monster was the perfect fit for high office -- and continues to do so!

I'd agree, except there may be a coup, but not a civil war. The military is too centralized and indocrinated (also overfunded), and the populace just isn't powerful enough anymore to fight the federal government without military support.

Whose going to launch a coup?

[El Lazaro]

I'd agree, except there may be a coup, but not a civil war. The military is too centralized and indocrinated (also overfunded), and the populace just isn't powerful enough anymore to fight the federal government without military support.

Whose going to launch a coup?

I will, personally. Kneel before your future Supreme Leader. I am accepting applications for cronies if anyone is interested.

[Rusozak]

A full blown civil war? No. Probably something more like Italy's years of lead. Assassination plots and politically motivated domestic terrorism will be the new normal.

[Adamede]

Not imho.

The worst I can see domestic issues getting in America is something like the troubles, aka domestic terrorism. The average American regardless of poltical beliefs lives too comfortably to throw it away in open war.

[Cachard Calia]

I'd agree, except there may be a coup, but not a civil war. The military is too centralized and indocrinated (also overfunded), and the populace just isn't powerful enough anymore to fight the federal government without military support.

Whose going to launch a coup?

The orange man who once lived in the white house. Or DeSantis.

[Neanderthaland]

I mean, if it sticks around long enough. Sure.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Not imho.

The worst I can see domestic issues getting in America is something like the troubles, aka domestic terrorism. The average American regardless of poltical beliefs lives too comfortably to throw it away in open war.

I have a feeling that the comfort is temporary, especially when standards of living are declining.

[Royal Frankia]

Nothing lasts forever, and sooner or later there will be another conflict. For what reason or another, I don't know. I think the collapse of America's standing abroad will be the prelude, however, and that time will soon come to pass.

[Neu California]

I think it's just the fact that the right is angry that they're in decline due to the hell they unleashed on millennials and gen z. They've driven a large majority of us to the left with the great recession, the Iraq war and massive amount of pro-rich, anti-consumer, anti-worker nonsense. It doesn't help that their all-pervasive boogeyman the USSR has long collapsed and their new boogeyman, China, has a strong whiff of hypocrisy towards attacking (it's largely seen as the right's fault that offshoring jobs to China has become so popular). Never mind that previously demonized groups (LGBT and racial minorities for two examples) are increasingly accepted by mainstream society and the bigotry against them increasingly rejected for the harmful bigotry it is.

Their influence is waning and they know it, but they refuse to go down without at least a massive temper tantrum over not getting their way. I don't think they'll find any success above the state level, and in some areas that will be only temporary. The right screwed up and the chickens are coming home to roost.