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Is America headed for a second civil war?

Poll ended at Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:59 am

1. Yes, and I'm afraid for the future.
47
20%
2. Yes, and I'm eager for it.
34
14%
3. No, and I would be horrified if it happened.
110
46%
4. No, but I really think that it would be helpful.
17
7%
5. Not sure.
29
12%
 
Total votes : 237

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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:55 am

Floofybit wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:Oh no. Algerstonia is viewing this thread.

Lol
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Postby Floofybit » Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:56 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Lol
OH NO HE’S REPLYING!

Brace yourself
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:00 pm

Floofybit wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:OH NO HE’S REPLYING!

Brace yourself

*gets in bunker

Yeah, this whole civil war stuff will be fun to watch.
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Postby Dylar » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:04 pm

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:I hope it is, so we can finally nuke Florida. And the south. And the plains./jk.

Yeah, but seriously. No.

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Postby Supreme Algerstonia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:06 pm

i have insiders within the supreme court that tell me hunter biden has ties with several extraterrestrial species, including reptilians, nibiru, the sea people, the mermaid races in the jupiter moon of europa, and the godly descendents of the pharoahs that once ruled ancient egypt. his laptop is a celestial object crafted by satan to contact other evil species that are at war with humanity because we are the chosen species of god destined to embark on a crusade to purify the universe of degeneracy and evil. once this info is revealed conservatives will finally start a revolution against the establishment, but once the universal cabal realizes that the outnumbered cabalist sockpuppets in the new world order are doomed to quickly collapse, the alien races of evil will launch the end of days in a cataclysmic invasion of earth, what will follow is a war throughout the united states of america between patriots and aliens, and this will be the final war that will lead to humanity's death or to our transcendence to a utopia free of sin and communism, neanderthals lost the war of armageddon, but president trump made a personal connection to god when he was in a coma, and god told president trump of the future war that will happen. president trump is mobilizing the forces of heaven from the shadows, and when the rapture comes, we will be ready!
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Postby Floofybit » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:08 pm

Supreme Algerstonia wrote:i have insiders within the supreme court that tell me hunter biden has ties with several extraterrestrial species, including reptilians, nibiru, the sea people, the mermaid races in the jupiter moon of europa, and the godly descendents of the pharoahs that once ruled ancient egypt. his laptop is a celestial object crafted by satan to contact other evil species that are at war with humanity because we are the chosen species of god destined to embark on a crusade to purify the universe of degeneracy and evil. once this info is revealed conservatives will finally start a revolution against the establishment, but once the universal cabal realizes that the outnumbered cabalist sockpuppets in the new world order are doomed to quickly collapse, the alien races of evil will launch the end of days in a cataclysmic invasion of earth, what will follow is a war throughout the united states of america between patriots and aliens, and this will be the final war that will lead to humanity's death or to our transcendence to a utopia free of sin and communism, neanderthals lost the war of armageddon, but president trump made a personal connection to god when he was in a coma, and god told president trump of the future war that will happen. president trump is mobilizing the forces of heaven from the shadows, and when the rapture comes, we will be ready!

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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:09 pm

Supreme Algerstonia wrote:i have insiders within the supreme court that tell me hunter biden has ties with several extraterrestrial species, including reptilians, nibiru, the sea people, the mermaid races in the jupiter moon of europa, and the godly descendents of the pharoahs that once ruled ancient egypt. his laptop is a celestial object crafted by satan to contact other evil species that are at war with humanity because we are the chosen species of god destined to embark on a crusade to purify the universe of degeneracy and evil. once this info is revealed conservatives will finally start a revolution against the establishment, but once the universal cabal realizes that the outnumbered cabalist sockpuppets in the new world order are doomed to quickly collapse, the alien races of evil will launch the end of days in a cataclysmic invasion of earth, what will follow is a war throughout the united states of america between patriots and aliens, and this will be the final war that will lead to humanity's death or to our transcendence to a utopia free of sin and communism, neanderthals lost the war of armageddon, but president trump made a personal connection to god when he was in a coma, and god told president trump of the future war that will happen. president trump is mobilizing the forces of heaven from the shadows, and when the rapture comes, we will be ready!

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Postby Ard al Islam » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:10 pm

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Yes, I do think we are heading for a second civil war, but lets not delude ourselves here, it will not be the Battle of Gettysburg 2.0: Electric Boogaloo.

It would be more like the never ending bloodbath more akin to the Syrian Civil War that would probably last for well over a decade. Not only that, but it would probably start out as something along the lines of Democrats v. Republicans, but both parties would likely split into multiple other factions. All fighting amongst each other, mainly through disorganized militias.

Establishment figures might fight to keep the status quo intact, but they will likely fail.

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Postby Washington-Columbia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:13 pm

Supreme Algerstonia wrote:I'm not including all of that wording.


You doomed us all.

Jokes aside for the several amount of times, I would say no. While politics are more polarized, they don't seem to be far to divisive, and the Civil War taught a lot of us that states leaving the Union would be met with fire, which would likely dissuade many. Plus, if anyone would make themselves leave the union, It would almost certainly be met with an Invasion from the US, and with their support from a lot of nations around the globe, would most likely win the war.
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Postby United States Reborn » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:24 pm

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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:24 pm

Supreme Algerstonia wrote:i have insiders within the supreme court that tell me hunter biden has ties with several extraterrestrial species, including reptilians, nibiru, the sea people, the mermaid races in the jupiter moon of europa, and the godly descendents of the pharoahs that once ruled ancient egypt. his laptop is a celestial object crafted by satan to contact other evil species that are at war with humanity because we are the chosen species of god destined to embark on a crusade to purify the universe of degeneracy and evil. once this info is revealed conservatives will finally start a revolution against the establishment, but once the universal cabal realizes that the outnumbered cabalist sockpuppets in the new world order are doomed to quickly collapse, the alien races of evil will launch the end of days in a cataclysmic invasion of earth, what will follow is a war throughout the united states of america between patriots and aliens, and this will be the final war that will lead to humanity's death or to our transcendence to a utopia free of sin and communism, neanderthals lost the war of armageddon, but president trump made a personal connection to god when he was in a coma, and god told president trump of the future war that will happen. president trump is mobilizing the forces of heaven from the shadows, and when the rapture comes, we will be ready!

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Postby Port Caverton » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:47 pm

United States Reborn wrote:My signature makes my position clear.

Why do you want regime change in the US
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:48 pm

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United States Reborn wrote:My signature makes my position clear.

Why do you want regime change in the US

It's the edgiest thing he could think of?
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:49 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Why do you want regime change in the US

It's the edgiest thing he could think of?

It’s USR. He supports Russia, the Taliban, and regime change in the US.
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Postby Floofybit » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:50 pm

A U.S. regime wouldn't be horrible.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:51 pm

Floofybit wrote:A U.S. regime wouldn't be horrible.

Highly dependent.
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Postby Senkaku » Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:02 pm

Oh hey, I guess it must have been six months since we did this exact topic, time for another thread. Have people already said that modern insurgencies don’t resemble the 1860s, that “civil war” and “peace” are hard to define in the first place, that it would be “like Syria x1000” or whatever, that the American right is clearly moving a radically autocratic direction and preparing for/legitimizing mass violence, and that war isn’t likely because we all just have too much to lose or something? Am I missing any cliches?
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:45 pm

Senkaku wrote:Oh hey, I guess it must have been six months since we did this exact topic, time for another thread. Have people already said that modern insurgencies don’t resemble the 1860s, that “civil war” and “peace” are hard to define in the first place, that it would be “like Syria x1000” or whatever, that the American right is clearly moving a radically autocratic direction and preparing for/legitimizing mass violence, and that war isn’t likely because we all just have too much to lose or something? Am I missing any cliches?

Oh hey.
And you are bitching/complaining like this for what reason?
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Postby The Grand Fifth Imperium » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:48 pm

Highly doubtable. First, we are perilously close to WWIII. Secondly, no one (at least, of the sane people) want to fight. Thirdly, political division does not always lead to civil war.

Directed towards the OP and certain other posters, I must say to say "white Christian nationalists" will start another civil war cause the "white Christian" south started the last one, is utterly ridiculous. After all, "white Christian nationalists" (I mean, what d'you think Lincoln, Grant or Sherman, etc. were?) fought to suppress slavery and the Confederacy. A better (and more historically accurate, though far from perfectly so) division between the sides of the civil war would be the "Anti-Slavery, Pro-Federal, Industralized-ish North" and the "Pro-Slavery, Pro-States-Rights, Agriculturized South". (And you would have the middle states which were kind of a mix of the two.)

Furthermore, to constantly harp on "the far right! the far right!" is ridiculous in this day and age as even libertarian types get called "far right" by some hard line liberals. Undoubtedly, there are those who actually are far right and do want a "regime change" (*looks suspiciously at USR*) but to label almost all conservatives as "far right" is as ridiculous as conservatives labeling all liberals as "far left".

Ok, I was going someplace with this but got up to get a drink of water and lost my train of thought. Long story short: no one's starting a civil war, very, very, very few people actually want do (I mean, there's probably some psycho out there who would), and I had a third thing but lost my train of thought again.
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Postby What is the world really » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:51 pm

The Grand Fifth Imperium wrote:Highly doubtable. First, we are perilously close to WWIII. Secondly, no one (at least, of the sane people) want to fight. Thirdly, political division does not always lead to civil war.

Directed towards the OP and certain other posters, I must say to say "white Christian nationalists" will start another civil war cause the "white Christian" south started the last one, is utterly ridiculous. After all, "white Christian nationalists" (I mean, what d'you think Lincoln, Grant or Sherman, etc. were?) fought to suppress slavery and the Confederacy. A better (and more historically accurate, though far from perfectly so) division between the sides of the civil war would be the "Anti-Slavery, Pro-Federal, Industralized-ish North" and the "Pro-Slavery, Pro-States-Rights, Agriculturized South". (And you would have the middle states which were kind of a mix of the two.)

Furthermore, to constantly harp on "the far right! the far right!" is ridiculous in this day and age as even libertarian types get called "far right" by some hard line liberals. Undoubtedly, there are those who actually are far right and do want a "regime change" (*looks suspiciously at USR*) but to label almost all conservatives as "far right" is as ridiculous as conservatives labeling all liberals as "far left".

Ok, I was going someplace with this but got up to get a drink of water and lost my train of thought. Long story short: no one's starting a civil war, very, very, very few people actually want do (I mean, there's probably some psycho out there who would), and I had a third thing but lost my train of thought again.

I don't think Lincoln, grant or even Sherman were Christian nationalists. That term has a very specific meaning that does not mean 'Christians who are nationalists'.

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:54 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Oh hey, I guess it must have been six months since we did this exact topic, time for another thread. Have people already said that modern insurgencies don’t resemble the 1860s, that “civil war” and “peace” are hard to define in the first place, that it would be “like Syria x1000” or whatever, that the American right is clearly moving a radically autocratic direction and preparing for/legitimizing mass violence, and that war isn’t likely because we all just have too much to lose or something? Am I missing any cliches?

Oh hey.
And you are bitching/complaining like this for what reason?

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Postby The Grand Fifth Imperium » Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:59 pm

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The Grand Fifth Imperium wrote:Highly doubtable. First, we are perilously close to WWIII. Secondly, no one (at least, of the sane people) want to fight. Thirdly, political division does not always lead to civil war.

Directed towards the OP and certain other posters, I must say to say "white Christian nationalists" will start another civil war cause the "white Christian" south started the last one, is utterly ridiculous. After all, "white Christian nationalists" (I mean, what d'you think Lincoln, Grant or Sherman, etc. were?) fought to suppress slavery and the Confederacy. A better (and more historically accurate, though far from perfectly so) division between the sides of the civil war would be the "Anti-Slavery, Pro-Federal, Industralized-ish North" and the "Pro-Slavery, Pro-States-Rights, Agriculturized South". (And you would have the middle states which were kind of a mix of the two.)

Furthermore, to constantly harp on "the far right! the far right!" is ridiculous in this day and age as even libertarian types get called "far right" by some hard line liberals. Undoubtedly, there are those who actually are far right and do want a "regime change" (*looks suspiciously at USR*) but to label almost all conservatives as "far right" is as ridiculous as conservatives labeling all liberals as "far left".

Ok, I was going someplace with this but got up to get a drink of water and lost my train of thought. Long story short: no one's starting a civil war, very, very, very few people actually want do (I mean, there's probably some psycho out there who would), and I had a third thing but lost my train of thought again.

I don't think Lincoln, grant or even Sherman were Christian nationalists. That term has a very specific meaning that does not mean 'Christians who are nationalists'.

It does? idk that. I always thought that "Christian nationalist" was... you know, a pro-nation Christian. It's official: I'm an idiot. Wait... what does it mean then...?
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:00 pm

The Grand Fifth Imperium wrote:
What is the world really wrote:I don't think Lincoln, grant or even Sherman were Christian nationalists. That term has a very specific meaning that does not mean 'Christians who are nationalists'.

It does? idk that. I always thought that "Christian nationalist" was... you know, a pro-nation Christian. It's official: I'm an idiot. Wait... what does it mean then...?

You support a Christian nation, a la ultra fundamentalist Israel.
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Postby What is the world really » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:01 pm

The Grand Fifth Imperium wrote:
What is the world really wrote:I don't think Lincoln, grant or even Sherman were Christian nationalists. That term has a very specific meaning that does not mean 'Christians who are nationalists'.

It does? idk that. I always thought that "Christian nationalist" was... you know, a pro-nation Christian. It's official: I'm an idiot. Wait... what does it mean then...?

It's in the name, it's a form of religious nationalism, which either Lincoln (who I doubt was very religous albeit he WAS religious), Grant (who refused to proclaim america a christian nation (read protestant) during his presidency), and Sherman who I have no idea what he actually believed in but probably wasn't a christian nationalist.

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Postby Melrovia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:26 pm

Maybe not a civil war, per se. Rather, perhaps something more akin to the Troubles.
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