Is America headed for another Civil War?

[The Grand World Order]

No, it's political fantasy, unless something completely unpredictable happens.

[Frisemark]

Anyone who thinks America is headed for Civil War doesn't understand civil wars nor America.

[Cannot think of a name]

Trump will stop any of this civil war nonsense

He's the dipshit trying to start one.

[Technoscience Leftwing]

I do not live in America, but I look from the outside - and one gets the impression that two groups of the monopoly bourgeoisie are competing there.

One group finances conservatives and republicans using typical right-wing ideology: traditionalism, religion, conservatism, patriarchal family, some supremacy of white male Anglo-Saxon Christians. On the extreme flank, this ideology turns into fascism, for me it is unacceptable.

The second group finances modernists and democrats who claim to be leftist. They seem to aim at the emancipation of women and minorities who were once oppressed. The idea itself is good, but here all the subtlety is in the implementation details. Often, they "protect" minorities in ways that maintain minorities' isolation and public dislike to them. They can plant hypocrisy under the guise of "protecting women from objectification"; call on the poor to tighten their belts under the guise of "protection of the environment"; erase historical evidence of slavery and colonialism from old books under the pretext of their offensiveness and politically incorrectness (as a result, after erasing this evidence from culture, the rightwings will be able to claim that slavery never existed: the traces have been erased!). In addition, they replace the important with the secondary: all over the world, the poor suffer from poverty, homelessness, hunger, wars and repression, and these false lefts highlight some terminological games and unimportant issues, distracting the masses from the main thing. They dictate what terms to use in social networks. According to the principle of "divide and rule" they divide the poor into conflicting groups of ethnic and subcultural minorities, without eliminating their poverty, but placing the bourgeois state over them as an arbiter. They try to keep the backward elements in the cultures brought in by migrants from a more backward base than they push the society in backwardness. Instead of voluntary assimilation of cultures, they nurture and cherish backward features, otherness as an end in itself ("Let's protect the dying culture of Papua cannibals!")

The flags of the two groups are different, but the result is similar, and behind both groups of the monopoly bourgeoisie. Well, let's say they fight, and call it the Civil War. But it will be a fight between rival clans of billionaires, and nothing more. Now, if there was a Civil War between the project of universal happiness and progress, and universal suffering and backwardness, then it would at least be clear who to support in it. In the meantime, there is just a squabble of clans.

P.S. Sorry that I, not being an American, allow myself to get into your affairs - this is just an assessment of a foreigner.

[United States Reborn]

My signature makes my position clear.

Why do you want regime change in the US

To replace the government with one which represents my views.

Why do you want regime change in the US

It's the edgiest thing he could think of?

Not everyone who disagrees with your lukewarm, cheery political views is doing it to be edgy.

It's the edgiest thing he could think of?

It’s USR. He supports... the Taliban

Oh? I'm not aware that I support the Taliban.

What you might be referring to is where I stated the fact that is that the Taliban are the governing force of Afghanistan, and that it would be in everyone's best interest to attempt to cooperate with them rather than spark another bloody war to overthrow them.

[Port Caverton]

Why do you want regime change in the US

To replace the government with one which represents my views.

But people don't want paleoconservatism. Otherwise they wouldn't have voted for Biden.

[United States Reborn]

To replace the government with one which represents my views.

But people don't want paleoconservatism. Otherwise they wouldn't have voted for Biden.

About half of the people would be fine with it.

The other half, I really could not care less about.

[Rakhalia]

I don't think America's heading for a civil war, but definitely increased levels of political violence. By all means, I do hope that the situation escalates to a point that the government ruptures and people are allowed a chance to fend for themselves -- if the Union maintains the course it's going now, it'll start exacting genocide on a helpless population. In fact, it's already beginning.

[Port Caverton]

But people don't want paleoconservatism. Otherwise they wouldn't have voted for Biden.

About half of the people would be fine with it.

The other half, I really could not care less about.

No they wouldn't. Most people don't support paleoconservative ideals.

So you don't care about what the people want?

[United States Reborn]

About half of the people would be fine with it.

The other half, I really could not care less about.

No they wouldn't. Most people don't support paleoconservative ideals.

So you don't care about what the people want?

About half of the people would be fine with it.

I don't care about the other half.

[Redwood Ridge]

Nope.

[Port Caverton]

No they wouldn't. Most people don't support paleoconservative ideals.

So you don't care about what the people want?

About half of the people would be fine with it.

I don't care about the other half.

No they wouldn't. You would already lose more than 50% of people on the free trade issue. You just want a paleocon Dictatorship.

[United States Reborn]

About half of the people would be fine with it.

I don't care about the other half.

No they wouldn't. You would already lose more than 50% of people on the free trade issue. You just want a paleocon Dictatorship.

Correct, I'd also be fine with a Trump dictatorship, as would Republican voters.

[Rakhalia]

No they wouldn't. You would already lose more than 50% of people on the free trade issue. You just want a paleocon Dictatorship.

Correct, I'd also be fine with a Trump dictatorship, as would Republican voters.

>trump dictatorship
>lasts two years because all the big macs gave him a heart attack

[Neu California]

No they wouldn't. Most people don't support paleoconservative ideals.

So you don't care about what the people want?

About half of the people would be fine with it.

I don't care about the other half.

And when that other half is a larger half, you decide to throw America's long held belief in democracy within its borders out just because they disagree with you.

Yep, that's totally something that a believer in truth, justice and the American way would advocate for, replacing justice with authoritarian attacks on freedom and throwing out the American way of doing things going on 250 years.

[United States Reborn]

Correct, I'd also be fine with a Trump dictatorship, as would Republican voters.

>trump dictatorship
>lasts two years because all the big macs gave him a heart attack

I can't argue with this.

[United States Reborn]

About half of the people would be fine with it.

I don't care about the other half.

And when that other half is a larger half, you decide to throw America's long held belief in democracy within its borders out just because they disagree with you.

Yep, that's totally something that a believer in truth, justice and the American way would advocate for, replacing justice with authoritarian attacks on freedom and throwing out the American way of doing things going on 250 years.

So?

It's not attacks on freedom. It's attacks on the kind of people who had no issue with the BLM riots, vilified a 17 y.o. for defending himself and condemned federal police for arresting people for committing federal crimes.

[Indecent Anime Empire]

In all reality, there are people who come up with thrifty ideas and people who do things despite it being "wrong"(aka protesting for things, aiding movements of change, Stock piling goods or services to enrich other's lives in real ways(not just dropping your change in a bucket at mcdonalds)) . No matter if you are a left-winger but ara a thrifty idea person or right wing thrifter you will be on a lower pole than the left or right winger who does something when they are told not to. In the end there is a turmoil in the current midst of life we are all wading through, Both sides are seeing this and neither are the absolute cause or seeing a complete despair in their agendas.(aka birth control issues/abortion issues which are being protected and ripped away in almost equal number.)

Despite this, people will point fingers instead of trying to use their time and energy for more productive solutions such as helping a neighbor even if they are a right wing pig of the state or leftist scum of the earth; who cares? You both are struggling, and if you aren't then do something that doesn't start the next civil war. Have you tried gardening? It might come in handy when the food shelves are empty because trucks can't deliver to your local food store.

[Tangatarehua]

I don't it's very likely, though the likelihood now is probably higher than at any point since the 1960s (and before that, the 1860s). I'd give it maybe a 10% chance.

I suspect that if America continues on its current trajectory then a civil war or the balkanisation of the United States could occur by the end of the 21st century. However the arrival of a common enemy who poses a serious threat (such as a certain country whose name rhymes with "Dinah") could be enough to keep the US hobbling along until someone figures out a way to detoxify politics.

[Neu California]

And when that other half is a larger half, you decide to throw America's long held belief in democracy within its borders out just because they disagree with you.

Yep, that's totally something that a believer in truth, justice and the American way would advocate for, replacing justice with authoritarian attacks on freedom and throwing out the American way of doing things going on 250 years.

So?

It's not attacks on freedom. It's attacks on the kind of people who had no issue with the BLM riots, vilified a 17 y.o. for defending himself and condemned federal police for arresting people for committing federal crimes.

And defense of those who wanted to overthrow the government on 1/6, vilify women for daring to get pregnant and not even give them medical care if they're dying, and could care less if black people are disproportionately killed by police.

Oh, and are responsible for most of the terrorism in the states, and BLM distanced itself from the 7% of protests that became riots, and as far as I know, most left-wing figures condemned said riots but not the protests.

[United States Reborn]

And defense of those who wanted to overthrow the government on 1/6

I won't state anything here, because whatever I want to say is against the rules, but you know my feelings on this.

vilify women for daring to get pregnant

Women should be vilified for getting pregnant if it isn't with a husband or long-term romantic partner.

and not even give them medical care if they're dying

Well that was never on the table.

and could care less if black people are disproportionately killed by police.

Whites are killed disproportionately by blacks. As are Asians.

Oh, and are responsible for most of the terrorism in the states, and BLM distanced itself from the 7% of protests that became riots, and as far as I know, most left-wing figures condemned said riots but not the protests.

They had more of an issue with Trump than they did with violent rioters, and what was all that nonsense where people were donating to bail out the arrested rioters?

And then condemning federal forces for enforcing laws against federal crimes?

[Neu California]

And defense of those who wanted to overthrow the government on 1/6

I won't state anything here, because whatever I want to say is against the rules, but you know my feelings on this.

And your opinion is horrific.

vilify women for daring to get pregnant

Women should be vilified for getting pregnant if it isn't with a husband or long-term romantic partner.

Even if its from, say, rape?

and not even give them medical care if they're dying[/quote]
Well that was never on the table.[/quote]

But it is the undeniable reality in places like Texas. source

and could care less if black people are disproportionately killed by police.

Whites are killed disproportionately by blacks. As are Asians.

1. Citation needed
2. Has nothing to with my point

Oh, and are responsible for most of the terrorism in the states, and BLM distanced itself from the 7% of protests that became riots, and as far as I know, most left-wing figures condemned said riots but not the protests.

They had more of an issue with Trump than they did with violent rioters, and what was all that nonsense where people were donating to bail out the arrested rioters?

And then condemning federal forces for enforcing laws against federal crimes?

Yes, they had more of an issue with "fine people on both sides" Trump defending fucking neo-nazis than they did with people lashing out in frustration. And was the main blk organization posting bail? Do you have a source?

As to the last part, what are you referring to? (Plus I can think of cases where it was fully justified imo, like enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act)

[Ifreann]

As to the last part, what are you referring to? (Plus I can think of cases where it was fully justified imo, like enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act)

I believe that's how right wingers talk about the people in Portland who were snatched off the streets by unidentified men and thrown into unmarked vans and taken to undisclosed locations to be detained and questioned without access to a lawyer. Lots of people have suggested that this is some fucked up secret police shit, to which Trump's people have insisted that there was nothing at all illegal happening, just legitimate arrests.

[United States Reborn]

And your opinion is horrific.

My opinion is Cool and Based™

Even if its from, say, rape?

No.

But it is the undeniable reality in places like Texas.

The law should be better defined.

1. Citation needed
2. Has nothing to with my point

Citation isn't needed, it's common knowledge that this is the case, as evidenced by your sides age-old retortion of "well it's caused by the socio-economic situation".

Yes, they had more of an issue with "fine people on both sides" Trump defending fucking neo-nazis than they did with people lashing out in frustration

That's my point, you're making attempts to justify the riots, and that's what the majority of democrats would do, and if they didn't they'd have no issue with it because "screw trump!!".

And was the main blk organization posting bail? Do you have a source?

Yep, they probably were. Bidens staff even did it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minn ... SKBN2360SZ

As to the last part, what are you referring to?

The time where people were shrieking in terror when Trump deployed federal forces to arrest vandalizers of federal monuments and courthouses.

[Exarkyon]

I do not think so.

I heartily detest the current division our two-party system of partisanship causes, but I do not think it is able to cause a civil war. The sides are not divided into separate areas/economies; they are too interdependent for an armed conflict to be very sustainable.

As for the demographic thing, I think it sounds quite politically-charged. (Note: I am an Asian male, Catholic, not Protestant, and not a nationalist.) I fail to see a reason for the most powerful demographic to want to start a civil war. They have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Maybe fringe elements would like one, but there are simply not enough who want that for it to work.

DISCLAIMER: I also disapprove of a lot of right-wing politics; I specifically address left-wing politics here because that is what I perceive in the claim OP referenced.