by United States Reborn » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:34 am
by LFPD Soveriegn » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:41 am
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by LFPD Soveriegn » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:55 am
The Ohio Valley Company wrote:LFPD Soveriegn wrote:
It gives them a reminder of what doing that thing has as a consequence, simple logic really.
Is that why people who are imprisoned have higher reoffending rates than people given non-custodial sentences for the same crimes?
Also, you do realise that the average violent offender in these prisons is like a standard deviation less intelligent than the average person, and is thus far less capable comprehending how what is being done to them is a consequence for their behaviour, right? And also most of the people in prisons for violent offences are repeat offenders, meaning not only am I arguing they'll have trouble getting the picture compared to the average Joe, but they actually clearly haven't gotten the picture on average statistically speaking.
Also, how does being held captive in a cell, having to deal with the constant danger and humiliation of a prison and being put through a circus of bureaucratic and legal preceding as someone who probably has the mental age of a 12 year old make you think about how super super sowwy you are for what you did?
All of these things notwithstanding, it still makes more sense to simply remove these people from a public resources standpoint.
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“Willst du en totalen krieg!?”
Summary: WHO GAVE THE MONARCHISTS THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO- AND THE ENTIRE SOVIET WAR INDUSTRY!?
Local anti-tax protester suddenly qualifies for 100% tax rate after 'accounting error' | Scensarian insults Regent Clarence, raided by SIRS Battalion. | Local SIRS Anti-Corruption Figure found guilty of corruptionProud founder of the Imperial Pact/Imperial Trade Accords | I.P Ambassador to FIRE
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by Rary » Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:55 am
The Ohio Valley Company wrote:Rary wrote:To keep murderers, paedophiles, rapists etc. off of the streets and in a small box where they belong.
So you want to pay tens of thousands a year per person to house murderers, rapists and pedos and then have them come out of that housing even more dysfunctional and useless than before, because you feel spite towards them?
by Bombadil » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:01 am
Rary wrote:The Ohio Valley Company wrote:So you want to pay tens of thousands a year per person to house murderers, rapists and pedos and then have them come out of that housing even more dysfunctional and useless than before, because you feel spite towards them?
Well what is the alternative? This is how you get people to be terrified of going outside.
by Rary » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:06 am
Bombadil wrote:Rary wrote:Well what is the alternative? This is how you get people to be terrified of going outside.
Greater investment into healthcare, education and services for one - few people grow up wishing to be a robber, murderer or rapist, and those are the sharp end of why the majority of people are in prison.
Do you focus on the surgery or the preventative measures that means the need for any surgery is reduced?
At best prison is a university of crime, at worst its an underfunded, profit-motivated business of atrocity.
by Bombadil » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:12 am
Rary wrote:..everyone who wants to commit a crime..
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by Rary » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:51 am
The Ohio Valley Company wrote:Rary wrote:Well what is the alternative? This is how you get people to be terrified of going outside.
Non custodial sentences with actual vocational programs and community involvement that require you being cooperative and not a complete monkey to not breach would make sense for a lot of people convicted for this stuff unironically (put them in a managed environment with no reason to offend where they still get to feel some autonomy, privacy and creature comforts like a halfway house, and see how they are predisposed to respond).
If someone is going to habitually reoffend against persons and breaches their shit like a monkey it makes more sense to just take them out back like old yeller since investing the amount of public resources in them endless court cases and prison takes is clearly not worth it.
I'm proposing that whoever is the governing body simply look at people convicted of crimes as human material, and see whether they are capable of behaving in a more desirable manner than they previously did. If they're not, it absolutely makes sense to permanently remove them from the community. If they are, it makes no sense to send them to prison when more effective options are available.
Also, one of the reasons you're probably terrified of going outside is probably the massive overreach of law enforcement. Not because the police are evil racist George Floyd killers or anything (controlling for the amount of crime blacks commit, police are more likely to target whites, probably because they know there will be no repercussions for doing so and they want to power-trip) but because we live in a state of anarcho-tyranny (look that term up) in which the state allows a controlled disaster of rabble to run around and terrorise the people while ordinary law-abiding people have to fear the law and state more than criminals do. The chaos caused by this fucks with regular people and strengthens the power of the state. It's pretty much illegal to defend yourself from these violent thieving urban gentlemen while they can rob and stab in broad daylight, and when some journalist questions the local police they'll just claim they're "still investigating" and shrug it off. Good example here, what did this couple do wrong, what were they supposed to do? And what happened to the rioters outside their house ready to rob them? Also, places like the UK and Australia have stolen cars lying in front of suburban driveways with stickers from police saying they know the car is stolen and to stop calling (too lazy to go out and return it to its owner), while people are arrested for facebook posts and given stalking charges for doing journalism work on local politicians.
I feel like a lot of this ridiculousness is the fault of state overreach and mismanagement. If the state were not intervening, disarming etc, communities would most likely just band together and lynch criminals. In South Africa, when there's riots, because the local police are useless rich neighbourhoods get private contractors (in Durban it's usually Indians, they ride around in four wheel drives with guns it's actually pretty cool, look it up) to protect them, and they will shoot. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you get a dysfunctional brazilified society with a bloated government run by oligarchs shielding itself with handouts to special interest groups, it somehow becomes worse for crime rather than better the more resources you funnel into the state
by Rary » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:00 am
The Ohio Valley Company wrote:Rary wrote:Just so you know, I support giving law enforcement the powers they need to defeat criminals. Anyway, these “communities” cannot be trusted to deal with criminals. This is an idiotic idea.
Why not? How do you think people like thieves or rapists were apprehended and brought to someone like the local shire reeve or something for most of history?
The police don't exist to "defeat criminals" lmao have you interacted with them for more than 2 seconds
by Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:03 am
by Floofybit » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:09 am
by Page » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:19 am
Rary wrote:The Ohio Valley Company wrote:Non custodial sentences with actual vocational programs and community involvement that require you being cooperative and not a complete monkey to not breach would make sense for a lot of people convicted for this stuff unironically (put them in a managed environment with no reason to offend where they still get to feel some autonomy, privacy and creature comforts like a halfway house, and see how they are predisposed to respond).
If someone is going to habitually reoffend against persons and breaches their shit like a monkey it makes more sense to just take them out back like old yeller since investing the amount of public resources in them endless court cases and prison takes is clearly not worth it.
I'm proposing that whoever is the governing body simply look at people convicted of crimes as human material, and see whether they are capable of behaving in a more desirable manner than they previously did. If they're not, it absolutely makes sense to permanently remove them from the community. If they are, it makes no sense to send them to prison when more effective options are available.
Also, one of the reasons you're probably terrified of going outside is probably the massive overreach of law enforcement. Not because the police are evil racist George Floyd killers or anything (controlling for the amount of crime blacks commit, police are more likely to target whites, probably because they know there will be no repercussions for doing so and they want to power-trip) but because we live in a state of anarcho-tyranny (look that term up) in which the state allows a controlled disaster of rabble to run around and terrorise the people while ordinary law-abiding people have to fear the law and state more than criminals do. The chaos caused by this fucks with regular people and strengthens the power of the state. It's pretty much illegal to defend yourself from these violent thieving urban gentlemen while they can rob and stab in broad daylight, and when some journalist questions the local police they'll just claim they're "still investigating" and shrug it off. Good example here, what did this couple do wrong, what were they supposed to do? And what happened to the rioters outside their house ready to rob them? Also, places like the UK and Australia have stolen cars lying in front of suburban driveways with stickers from police saying they know the car is stolen and to stop calling (too lazy to go out and return it to its owner), while people are arrested for facebook posts and given stalking charges for doing journalism work on local politicians.
I feel like a lot of this ridiculousness is the fault of state overreach and mismanagement. If the state were not intervening, disarming etc, communities would most likely just band together and lynch criminals. In South Africa, when there's riots, because the local police are useless rich neighbourhoods get private contractors (in Durban it's usually Indians, they ride around in four wheel drives with guns it's actually pretty cool, look it up) to protect them, and they will shoot. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you get a dysfunctional brazilified society with a bloated government run by oligarchs shielding itself with handouts to special interest groups, it somehow becomes worse for crime rather than better the more resources you funnel into the state
Just so you know, I support giving law enforcement the powers they need to defeat criminals. Anyway, these “communities” cannot be trusted to deal with criminals. This is an idiotic idea.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:21 am
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