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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 30, 2023 8:16 am

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Kerwa wrote:I already suggests something similar. But Lumen doesn’t want to flatten any of the existing neighborhoods in Manhattan.

Build them over the roads. Cars don't need sunlight.

As an aside, did you know the subway used to have public toilets? Like ones that work and people actually used. I think the US needs to think long and hard about what sort of society it is now before rushing headlong into further densification.

The Tube had those too. Some of them still work. Many don't, but nothing has been done about their remains. They just occupy space now.


El Lazaro wrote:What if the neighborhoods have rich people in them?

Rich people are made of meat.

I mean okay, I wouldn't eat just anyone rich. Just the vegan ones, because being a herbivore is basically consenting to being eaten.


Haganham wrote:You can't make housing affordable by pushing all the poor into commie blocks. We tried that. They were called to projects; and they were so awful that we tore them down.

Push?
Build GOOD commie blocks, prevent capitalist see-you-next-tuesdays from B2Ling them, and the poor will quite gladly move onto those blocks on their own... assuming they're not so poor they can't even afford to do that (or if there is a mountain of red tape to get through first), which could be an issue depending on how the whole thing is handled.


Gun Manufacturers wrote:I work my ass off at a good job. There are better jobs out there, that pay enough that people can buy houses. My younger sister just bought a house last year by herself (less than half an acre), in a large town/small city. She only works one full time job (and it isn't flipping burgers or cashiering at a gas station or retail store). Hell, you could buy a used school bus or step van, and convert it into a tiny home on wheels. Save up for a few years and voila, you could have enough for a house.

You smell like soft meat. Privileged meat. Meat that has never known hardship and has no idea that its own privilege isn't universal.
I've been saving up for almost 2 decades. I'm not even 10% of the way to house level. But then I'm too Autistic to ever get that far. Most Aut-kin aren't even employable.


I've shoveled shit, hauled hay, and milked cows on a dairy farm for $5/hour, had to split firewood for heat (because it was too expensive to run the electric baseboard heating at my parents house), and regularly got a beating from my father if I didn't do everything his way, his speed, and to his liking. I had to save up a couple of years for my first car (it was a piece of shit that cost $3k + tax/title/registration), while working on that dairy farm, as well. I worked while I was in community college to pay for it, never had a career in my field of study, and worked a lot of crappy retail jobs at barely more than minimum wage. I now have a federal job that pays me more than double what I used to make at any of those retail jobs, but even that isn't easy. I boil in the summer, and freeze in the winter. I COULD take a break, but then I finish work later (so I usually don't). I have to be able to repeatedly lift up to 70 pounds at once, and have to deal with many unpredictable hazards.

I'm not soft, and I'm probably a lot older than you think I am.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 30, 2023 11:14 am

"Why don't people these days just bust their asses to buy a house like I did?" really falls apart as an argument when you did it years ago, when that cost less and work paid more and was easier to get. People are working hard. If they weren't you'd be navigating around their bodies in the streets.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 30, 2023 11:40 am

Ifreann wrote:"Why don't people these days just bust their asses to buy a house like I did?" really falls apart as an argument when you did it years ago, when that cost less and work paid more and was easier to get. People are working hard. If they weren't you'd be navigating around their bodies in the streets.


It was 5 years ago when I moved out of my last apartment and into a house. I have been busting my ass for a long time, though. I've been working in my current job since 2006, and the job before that (also not retail) payed pretty good, too.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Frisemark » Tue May 30, 2023 12:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:Local officials like to talk about the housing crisis in major cities yet there are simple steps they could take to solve it.

Build only affordable housing. Deny the permits for eyesores like 432 park avenue.

Good fucking luck doing that with the state of public construction in the US. Besides that, restricting construction is exceptionally dumb and would massively implode both construction and the housing market.
San Lumen wrote:Maybe have rent control for everyone.

Rent controls do not work. We have had academic studies since the 40s explicitly showing this. They cause shortages (which lead to price increases), housing gets overconsumed, etc.

When you institute price controls, you eventually end up with two classes of renters long-term. Wealthier residents who have been there long-term could be living in a 3-bedroom rental in the inner-city for less than $1.5K a month while new students are struggling to get a studio for that same price or higher. Rent control fails to solve the affordable housing problem, but it also incentivizes people to not move for better job opportunities because they will lose their rent-controlled home and have to pay the real market value for anything that they rent from then onwards. Labor mobility is a massive part of productivity, so for example when San Francisco residents' mobility was reduced by 20% due to rent controls, their wages most likely decreased too.

Rent controls can decrease the new supply by creating an expectation that rent controls will be expanded, meaning that people who own new buildings will demand an adequate return for bearing that risk; leading to an increase in rents for those who aren't in a rent controlled apartment. Rent controls in Berlin did lead to an increase in rents for apartments that weren't even regulated and that's with an exemption for new buildings. Berlin also serves as an example of rent control being expanded afterwards, as does San Francisco.

It also puts regulators in an impossible situation. They must pick between providing new housing and attaining one of the main aspirations of rent-control (keeping long-term residents). When rent control applies to all housing built before a certain date, what's to stop landlords from bulldozing housing built before then and building more homes? There could be clauses stopping landlords from doing that, but that would impede the supply of new homes which is the only long-term solution to affordability pressures. If the government mandates that the landlord must provide housing for long-term residents in their new development, less homes will be built as a result of it lowering the expected RoR on investment.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 30, 2023 12:15 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Why don't people these days just bust their asses to buy a house like I did?" really falls apart as an argument when you did it years ago, when that cost less and work paid more and was easier to get. People are working hard. If they weren't you'd be navigating around their bodies in the streets.


It was 5 years ago when I moved out of my last apartment and into a house. I have been busting my ass for a long time, though. I've been working in my current job since 2006, and the job before that (also not retail) payed pretty good, too.

I don't really care about your work history, I just think that the least you can do is treat people with the minimal level of good faith necessary to assume that they are doing the best they can with what they have, instead of this boomer-ass "These poors are just too lazy!" bullshit.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 30, 2023 2:05 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Why don't people these days just bust their asses to buy a house like I did?" really falls apart as an argument when you did it years ago, when that cost less and work paid more and was easier to get. People are working hard. If they weren't you'd be navigating around their bodies in the streets.


It was 5 years ago when I moved out of my last apartment and into a house. I have been busting my ass for a long time, though. I've been working in my current job since 2006, and the job before that (also not retail) payed pretty good, too.


Have you ever taken a moment to consider everyone isn’t you and for many it’s not as easy as your making it out to be?

Home ownership is but a dream at this point for millions if not an entire generation but it’s so much easier to say people are lazy or I’ve got mine and the tough luck if you can’t afford it.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 30, 2023 2:20 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
It was 5 years ago when I moved out of my last apartment and into a house. I have been busting my ass for a long time, though. I've been working in my current job since 2006, and the job before that (also not retail) payed pretty good, too.

I don't really care about your work history, I just think that the least you can do is treat people with the minimal level of good faith necessary to assume that they are doing the best they can with what they have, instead of this boomer-ass "These poors are just too lazy!" bullshit.


I was responding to you, after you took my previous post out of context. The previous post was a response to Point Blob calling me soft meat, privileged meat.

As to this post of yours, I realize that there are people are doing the best that they can. But I also see far too many people working one dead end, low paying job and bitching about how they never have money do do the things they want. Hell, I was one of those people for a long time. I'm saying it's possible for a person to change their situation and change what "the best they can" means. Whether that means a new line of work, a new location, or some other way.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 30, 2023 2:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
It was 5 years ago when I moved out of my last apartment and into a house. I have been busting my ass for a long time, though. I've been working in my current job since 2006, and the job before that (also not retail) payed pretty good, too.


Have you ever taken a moment to consider everyone isn’t you and for many it’s not as easy as your making it out to be?

Home ownership is but a dream at this point for millions if not an entire generation but it’s so much easier to say people are lazy or I’ve got mine and the tough luck if you can’t afford it.


Getting my current position wasn't easy. It took several months from the time I took the entrance exam to when I got my first position, and people can fail at any point in the process.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 30, 2023 2:29 pm

Point Blob wrote:
Kerwa wrote:I already suggests something similar. But Lumen doesn’t want to flatten any of the existing neighborhoods in Manhattan.

Build them over the roads. Cars don't need sunlight.

As an aside, did you know the subway used to have public toilets? Like ones that work and people actually used. I think the US needs to think long and hard about what sort of society it is now before rushing headlong into further densification.

The Tube had those too. Some of them still work. Many don't, but nothing has been done about their remains. They just occupy space now.


El Lazaro wrote:What if the neighborhoods have rich people in them?

Rich people are made of meat.

I mean okay, I wouldn't eat just anyone rich. Just the vegan ones, because being a herbivore is basically consenting to being eaten.


Haganham wrote:You can't make housing affordable by pushing all the poor into commie blocks. We tried that. They were called to projects; and they were so awful that we tore them down.

Push?
Build GOOD commie blocks, prevent capitalist see-you-next-tuesdays from B2Ling them, and the poor will quite gladly move onto those blocks on their own... assuming they're not so poor they can't even afford to do that (or if there is a mountain of red tape to get through first), which could be an issue depending on how the whole thing is handled.


Gun Manufacturers wrote:I work my ass off at a good job. There are better jobs out there, that pay enough that people can buy houses. My younger sister just bought a house last year by herself (less than half an acre), in a large town/small city. She only works one full time job (and it isn't flipping burgers or cashiering at a gas station or retail store). Hell, you could buy a used school bus or step van, and convert it into a tiny home on wheels. Save up for a few years and voila, you could have enough for a house.

You smell like soft meat. Privileged meat. Meat that has never known hardship and has no idea that its own privilege isn't universal.
I've been saving up for almost 2 decades. I'm not even 10% of the way to house level. But then I'm too Autistic to ever get that far. Most Aut-kin aren't even employable.


Because you are incapable of saving up for a house doesn't mean most people are in the same boat. My first apt. Was a basement studio.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 30, 2023 2:31 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Have you ever taken a moment to consider everyone isn’t you and for many it’s not as easy as your making it out to be?

Home ownership is but a dream at this point for millions if not an entire generation but it’s so much easier to say people are lazy or I’ve got mine and the tough luck if you can’t afford it.


Getting my current position wasn't easy. It took several months from the time I took the entrance exam to when I got my first position, and people can fail at any point in the process.


Everyone isn’t you. Stop acting like your situation is the norm because it’s not.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 30, 2023 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Getting my current position wasn't easy. It took several months from the time I took the entrance exam to when I got my first position, and people can fail at any point in the process.


Everyone isn’t you. Stop acting like your situation is the norm because it’s not.

700,000 new cybersecurity jobs will be open in the next few years. Those folks will all be able to afford housing
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 30, 2023 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Getting my current position wasn't easy. It took several months from the time I took the entrance exam to when I got my first position, and people can fail at any point in the process.


Everyone isn’t you. Stop acting like your situation is the norm because it’s not.


I'm not. I'm saying it's POSSIBLE.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 30, 2023 2:35 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Everyone isn’t you. Stop acting like your situation is the norm because it’s not.

700,000 new cybersecurity jobs will be open in the next few years. Those folks will all be able to afford housing


I have serious doubts.

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Everyone isn’t you. Stop acting like your situation is the norm because it’s not.


I'm not. I'm saying it's POSSIBLE.


Possible doesn't mean it will happen.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 30, 2023 2:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:700,000 new cybersecurity jobs will be open in the next few years. Those folks will all be able to afford housing


I have serious doubts.

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
I'm not. I'm saying it's POSSIBLE.


Possible doesn't mean it will happen.


Possible means there's the potential for it to happen.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 30, 2023 2:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:700,000 new cybersecurity jobs will be open in the next few years. Those folks will all be able to afford housing


I have serious doubts.

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
I'm not. I'm saying it's POSSIBLE.


Possible doesn't mean it will happen.


If you are a line worker at McDonald's it will be difficult to own your own house in NY. If you are an electrician it will be easy.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 30, 2023 2:57 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I have serious doubts.



Possible doesn't mean it will happen.


Possible means there's the potential for it to happen.


Again doesn’t mean it will. The fact is housing and rent prices are insane and out of reach for many.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Tue May 30, 2023 4:15 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Everyone isn’t you. Stop acting like your situation is the norm because it’s not.

700,000 new cybersecurity jobs will be open in the next few years. Those folks will all be able to afford housing


Nation wide, there is a shortage of Fire/EMS/Police as well.
Prisons could use more help as well...
Post Office is hiring I hear as well...
Military hasn't hit recruitment goals in forever it seems...
Skilled laborers, such as electricians and plumbers, are in short supply practically everywhere...

Just a few career fields off the top of my head.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 30, 2023 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Possible means there's the potential for it to happen.


Again doesn’t mean it will. The fact is housing and rent prices are insane and out of reach for many.


And that's why I said possible.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 30, 2023 7:15 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Again doesn’t mean it will. The fact is housing and rent prices are insane and out of reach for many.


And that's why I said possible.


it really isn't at this point.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 30, 2023 8:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
And that's why I said possible.


it really isn't at this point.


It really is.
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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 30, 2023 8:38 pm

Its worth noting that the vast majority of careers that have been suggested here are not something one can just start doing at a moment's notice. They require a certain degree of skill and knowledge that takes time and often money to get. Resources that if people had, they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

So while yes, it's technically possible, its not feasible for many people.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 30, 2023 8:45 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
it really isn't at this point.


It really is.


Says someone who probably has a nice house in the suburbs and thinks anyone under 40 can afford it.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 30, 2023 9:17 pm

Ors Might wrote:Its worth noting that the vast majority of careers that have been suggested here are not something one can just start doing at a moment's notice. They require a certain degree of skill and knowledge that takes time and often money to get. Resources that if people had, they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

So while yes, it's technically possible, its not feasible for many people.

Unskilled laborers never owned homes
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 30, 2023 9:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
It really is.


Says someone who probably has a nice house in the suburbs and thinks anyone under 40 can afford it.

Without a clue you are.

I said line workers at McDonald's don't own homes. Electricians own homes. Iron workers own homes. Uber drivers don't own homes.
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
--S. Huntington

The most fundamental problem of politics is not the control of wickedness but the limitation of righteousness. 

--H. Kissenger

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue May 30, 2023 9:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
And that's why I said possible.


it really isn't at this point.


Why not? I just saw on Youtube a CBS video that says house prices could drop by as much as 20% this year. If interest rates drop, it's very possible.

https://youtu.be/KiakJs6ALdM
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

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