A Simple Solution to Housing Crisis in some Major Cities

[El Lazaro]

My issue isn't with the city, it's with the Mormon church's intolerance of everyone I mentioned.

The state legislature in Utah unanimously banned conversion therapy recently. Statewide anti-discrimination laws cover sexual orientation and gender identity in employment and housing,

Most Mormons are bigots and belong to a bigoted cult. Writing a law doesn’t change that.

[Thermodolia]

My issue isn't with the city, it's with the Mormon church's intolerance of everyone I mentioned.

The state legislature in Utah unanimously banned conversion therapy recently. Statewide anti-discrimination laws cover sexual orientation and gender identity in employment and housing,

That doesn’t change the fact that the Mormons are still intolerant

[Alcala-Cordel]

My issue isn't with the city, it's with the Mormon church's intolerance of everyone I mentioned.

The state legislature in Utah unanimously banned conversion therapy recently. Statewide anti-discrimination laws cover sexual orientation and gender identity in employment and housing,

Still completely irrelevant to my point.

[Floofybit]

idk living in a city in the desert surrounded by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints seems like a pretty nice life for anyone

Anyone except women, native Americans, black people, LGBT people, children, people of other religions, athiests...

1. Gender roles are not gender discrimination. And certain gender roles outside the church aren't very concrete anyways. They are all equal in the image of God. There should be no discrimination. 2. Nearly no one in my community does this
3. Nearly no one in my community does this
4. Actually, there are plenty of the community in the Utah community and they are treated rather nicely.
5. Lol what?
6. I really don't care that much
7. I really don't care that much

[San Lumen]

The state legislature in Utah unanimously banned conversion therapy recently. Statewide anti-discrimination laws cover sexual orientation and gender identity in employment and housing,

Still completely irrelevant to my point.

Not really. The facts do not back up your claim.

[Celritannia]

My issue isn't with the city, it's with the Mormon church's intolerance of everyone I mentioned.

The state legislature in Utah unanimously banned conversion therapy recently. Statewide anti-discrimination laws cover sexual orientation and gender identity in employment and housing,

It might work in theory, but I doubt it practically.

Discrimination still occurs, no matter how many laws are made to stop it. Teaching children at a young age to respect people is the only way to route out discrimination .

[Ifreann]

Still completely irrelevant to my point.

Not really. The facts do not back up your claim.

The claim was about the Mormon church's intolerance, and you responded by talking about the state legislature. You are not addressing the claim at all.

[Daniel-Franklin]

Not really. The facts do not back up your claim.

The claim was about the Mormon church's intolerance, and you responded by talking about the state legislature. You are not addressing the claim at all.

Unless he's tacitly admitting that the Mormon Church is Utah's real legislature, which it basically is.

[Floofybit]

The state legislature in Utah unanimously banned conversion therapy recently. Statewide anti-discrimination laws cover sexual orientation and gender identity in employment and housing,

It might work in theory, but I doubt it practically.

Discrimination still occurs, no matter how many laws are made to stop it. Teaching children at a young age to respect people is the only way to route out discrimination .

And that's what the church does for kids at a young age

[Celritannia]

It might work in theory, but I doubt it practically.

Discrimination still occurs, no matter how many laws are made to stop it. Teaching children at a young age to respect people is the only way to route out discrimination .

And that's what the church does for kids at a young age

I doubt this. I'm sure your specific LDS Church does this, but it is difficult to say all LDS Churches do this.

[Floofybit]

And that's what the church does for kids at a young age

I doubt this. I'm sure your specific LDS Church does this, but it is difficult to say all LDS Churches do this.

Well, they're supposed to. And all of them I've been to have.

[Floofybit]

The state legislature in Utah unanimously banned conversion therapy recently. Statewide anti-discrimination laws cover sexual orientation and gender identity in employment and housing,

Most Mormons are bigots and belong to a bigoted cult. Writing a law doesn’t change that.

Wrong

[Hum Acans Karky]

Mass muder or just adding more floors to homes

[Eden Ultima]

Local officials like to talk about the housing crisis in major cities yet there are simple steps they could take to solve it.

First ban Airbnb. This would instantly free up tons of housing as too many use it simply to make money denying housing to people.

Build only affordable housing. Deny the permits for eyesores like 432 park avenue.

Maybe have rent control for everyone.

Supply and demand is always discussed. Build more supply. All this is way to simple therefore no city will ever do it. We must overcomplicate everything.

What do you think NSG?

Yes, it would help a lot. They now only do stuff to help us survive.

[Dylar]

idk living in a city in the desert surrounded by Mormons seems like a pretty bad punishment for anyone

idk living in a city in the desert surrounded by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints seems like a pretty nice life for anyone

in the desert tho?

[Supreme Algerstonia]

it should be a privilege to own a home, not a right. think of all the homeowners that worked hard to get a home, if you just start giving homes to random people then their hard work meant nothing

[Andronya]

First things first: Zoning laws and boards

You want to build a small bungalow in your backyard to rent or give to your elder parents? Nope
You want to build a few houses in a plot of land you own? Not if the zoning board doesn't like it
You want to make an affordable trailer park? That's going to be a nope from the zoning board in a lot of cases.

Get rid of zoning laws and boards and you'll probably have about 50% of the problem solved.

[Cannot think of a name]

it should be a privilege to own a home, not a right. think of all the homeowners that worked hard to get a home, if you just start giving homes to random people then their hard work meant nothing

I'm sure they can find other things that aren't like the most basic of needs to flex on people with.

[Cannot think of a name]

First things first: Zoning laws and boards

You want to build a small bungalow in your backyard to rent or give to your elder parents? Nope
You want to build a few houses in a plot of land you own? Not if the zoning board doesn't like it
You want to make an affordable trailer park? That's going to be a nope from the zoning board in a lot of cases.

Get rid of zoning laws and boards and you'll probably have about 50% of the problem solved.

Or, a town that is a complete clusterfuck.

[Andronya]

First things first: Zoning laws and boards

You want to build a small bungalow in your backyard to rent or give to your elder parents? Nope
You want to build a few houses in a plot of land you own? Not if the zoning board doesn't like it
You want to make an affordable trailer park? That's going to be a nope from the zoning board in a lot of cases.

Get rid of zoning laws and boards and you'll probably have about 50% of the problem solved.

Or, a town that is a complete clusterfuck.

I'd very much rather live in a clusterfuck city where I can.. well... live, than one where I can't afford rent due to ludicrous restrictions.

[Cannot think of a name]

Or, a town that is a complete clusterfuck.

I'd very much rather live in a clusterfuck city where I can.. well... live, than one where I can't afford rent due to ludicrous restrictions.

Having experienced both poorly planned or nearly hands off planning cities and strictly planned cities I can tell you it's not an 'either or' situation.

[San Lumen]

Local officials like to talk about the housing crisis in major cities yet there are simple steps they could take to solve it.

First ban Airbnb. This would instantly free up tons of housing as too many use it simply to make money denying housing to people.

Build only affordable housing. Deny the permits for eyesores like 432 park avenue.

Maybe have rent control for everyone.

Supply and demand is always discussed. Build more supply. All this is way to simple therefore no city will ever do it. We must overcomplicate everything.

What do you think NSG?

Yes, it would help a lot. They now only do stuff to help us survive.

Like I said it’s too simple so no mayor or city council will do it. They’d rather over complicate things.

[Kerwa]

I get the feeling that Lumen’s real problem is not one about housing in general but rather the lack of affordable rentals in neighborhoods with close proximity to: broadway musicals, world class museums, hot nightlife and Michelin starred restaurants. I sympathize because that is definitely a thing but I don’t see what you can do about it because if you kick out all the rich then the things that make it desirable will go away. It’s why people don’t want to live in White Plains despite it being affordable and a city.

More generally there isn’t a housing crisis in NY. There’s a real estate bubble which is not the same thing. Higher for longer interest rates or a banking crisis or both will sort it out.

[Redwood Ridge]

The problem with the viewpoint that it's all the fault of rich people buying up homes and keeping them vacant, and that is driving the housing crisis, and therefore we shouldn't build new homes, is that it's ultimately a counterproductive view:

1) Most vacancies aren't where people want to live. The highest vacancy rates are in low demand areas, and telling someone in the Bay Area that there's an abandoned house in Detroit they can move into, isn't really a solution to their problem.
2) Vacancies aren't all the same. The UCLA describes that 58% of all vacancies are market vacancies, They're gaps in tenancy that occur after a lease has ended, a home enters the market to be resold, or a new building's opened up and hasn't yet leased or sold all of its units. In the city of L.A. alone, over 50.2% or around 60,000 units of housing fall under this category. Landlords lose money when a home is vacant, repairs and maintenance need to be done, and they're already incentivized by these market vacancies to make it as short as possible.
3) Landlords love low vacancy rates as it empowers their bargaining power. Conversely, high vacancy rates drives down their bargaining power because there's increased competition among them. If somebody enters their neighborhood and builds a few rental units, competition goes up, rents go down, and the power of currently existing landlords goes down. Not building new units strengthens the positions of those currently existing landlords, while building more opens up the market to more competitive pressure.
4) A vacancy rate of 0 means there is no ability to ever move, because there would be nowhere to move to. Kids moving into their own place? Nope, they gotta stay at home. Immigrants? Nowhere for them to go. Zero vacancies means that if you want to move, you have to trade houses with somebody else. While the existence of at least some vacancies allows for market fluidity.

The problem with the current housing crisis is that there is no simple solution. All the dumb fucks that Breadtubers say, equates to entitled whining, which just makes things far worse than they already are. But because land is a constant rather than a variable, means that we will always have this costly problem in all the major cities on Earth. No matter what. Not everybody can live in downtown LA or on Manhatten island, and that's that, there's not enough space. And you know what? That's okay if people are priced out of certain locations. Not everybody has to live in a mega city, and forcing yourself into a tin can to stay in Southern California isn't actually good for you. Millenials and zoomers have this conception that metropolises are the only place you should aspire to end up in, that home towns and flyover states are to be moved on from and be embarrassed by, and they're rapidly discovering that even though the cities have all these amenities, it doesn't have community.

[San Lumen]

I get the feeling that Lumen’s real problem is not one about housing in general but rather the lack of affordable rentals in neighborhoods with close proximity to: broadway musicals, world class museums, hot nightlife and Michelin starred restaurants. I sympathize because that is definitely a thing but I don’t see what you can do about it because if you kick out all the rich then the things that make it desirable will go away. It’s why people don’t want to live in White Plains despite it being affordable and a city.

More generally there isn’t a housing crisis in NY. There’s a real estate bubble which is not the same thing. Higher for longer interest rates or a banking crisis or both will sort it out.

It’s not just those neighborhoods it’s everywhere in nyc and other major cities now.

White Plains is not affordable at all.

Deny the permits for places like 432 park avenue and build a super tall for the average person. But that’s too simple.