A Simple Solution to Housing Crisis in some Major Cities

[San Lumen]

Says someone who probably has a nice house in the suburbs and thinks anyone under 40 can afford it.

Without a clue you are.

I said line workers at McDonald's don't own homes. Electricians own homes. Iron workers own homes. Uber drivers don't own homes.

Not everyone can or wants to go into a trade and it shouldn’t be only certain professions can afford it. They should have passed the housing plan the Governor of New York proposed and if suburbs didn’t like it tough.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Its worth noting that the vast majority of careers that have been suggested here are not something one can just start doing at a moment's notice. They require a certain degree of skill and knowledge that takes time and often money to get. Resources that if people had, they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

So while yes, it's technically possible, its not feasible for many people.

A lot of people that work my job start off very slow (there's a lot of memorization involved, as well as organization), and get better on the job. I myself have had issues in the past with being organized that working the job has helped (I'm still not super organized in my day to day life, but I'm able to stay relatively organized at work).

[San Lumen]

Its worth noting that the vast majority of careers that have been suggested here are not something one can just start doing at a moment's notice. They require a certain degree of skill and knowledge that takes time and often money to get. Resources that if people had, they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

So while yes, it's technically possible, its not feasible for many people.

A lot of people that work my job start off very slow (there's a lot of memorization involved, as well as organization), and get better on the job. I myself have had issues in the past with being organized that working the job has helped (I'm still not super organized in my day to day life, but I'm able to stay relatively organized at work).

Once again everyone is not you and wants to go into your field.

[Gun Manufacturers]

A lot of people that work my job start off very slow (there's a lot of memorization involved, as well as organization), and get better on the job. I myself have had issues in the past with being organized that working the job has helped (I'm still not super organized in my day to day life, but I'm able to stay relatively organized at work).

Once again everyone is not you and wants to go into your field.

I know I didn't. I went to school for Computer Programming.

[San Lumen]

Once again everyone is not you and wants to go into your field.

I know I didn't. I went to school for Computer Programming.

I have accepted I’ll never own a home and that leaders don’t care it’s out of reach for anyone under 40 and that some cities are now gated communities.

They won’t do simple things to fix it because we must overcomplicate everything.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I know I didn't. I went to school for Computer Programming.

I have accepted I’ll never own a home and that leaders don’t care it’s out of reach for anyone under 40 and that some cities are now gated communities.

They won’t do simple things to fix it because we must overcomplicate everything.

Have you seen how many Youtube content creators own homes? People in their 20's or early 30's on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th homes. I wish I was one of them, I wouldn't need to work a regular job.

[Ors Might]

Its worth noting that the vast majority of careers that have been suggested here are not something one can just start doing at a moment's notice. They require a certain degree of skill and knowledge that takes time and often money to get. Resources that if people had, they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

So while yes, it's technically possible, its not feasible for many people.

Unskilled laborers never owned homes

Which has nothing to do with whether or not gaining income necessary to own a home is something just anyone or even the vast majority of people can do.

[Ors Might]

Its worth noting that the vast majority of careers that have been suggested here are not something one can just start doing at a moment's notice. They require a certain degree of skill and knowledge that takes time and often money to get. Resources that if people had, they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

So while yes, it's technically possible, its not feasible for many people.

A lot of people that work my job start off very slow (there's a lot of memorization involved, as well as organization), and get better on the job. I myself have had issues in the past with being organized that working the job has helped (I'm still not super organized in my day to day life, but I'm able to stay relatively organized at work).

I have no doubt that you worked hard to get where you are. My problem is that, by necessity, the type of work you're describing where one makes enough to own a home is going to be scarce and not easy to obtain.

[Gun Manufacturers]

A lot of people that work my job start off very slow (there's a lot of memorization involved, as well as organization), and get better on the job. I myself have had issues in the past with being organized that working the job has helped (I'm still not super organized in my day to day life, but I'm able to stay relatively organized at work).

I have no doubt that you worked hard to get where you are. My problem is that, by necessity, the type of work you're describing where one makes enough to own a home is going to be scarce and not easy to obtain.

We're always hiring.

[Ors Might]

I have no doubt that you worked hard to get where you are. My problem is that, by necessity, the type of work you're describing where one makes enough to own a home is going to be scarce and not easy to obtain.

We're always hiring.

Even so, you aren't hiring enough for most people to be able to own a home one day. Someone has to fill in the low paying positions. It's simply impossible in our society for everyone to be making enough to buy a house or even just afford a good apartment.

[Goat Republic]

Convert all the housing into mixed use home-offices and all the offices into mixed use office-housing. Then, everybody can work from home. It will be great, work will feel like home. Unless you're a glass half empty type, in which case you might complain home will feel like work.

[Gun Manufacturers]

We're always hiring.

Even so, you aren't hiring enough for most people to be able to own a home one day. Someone has to fill in the low paying positions. It's simply impossible in our society for everyone to be making enough to buy a house or even just afford a good apartment.

Clerks start out part time (less than 40 hours, with no set schedule), but within a year and not more than 2 according to their contract, most of them are career employees working full time (40+ hours, home office priority), earning paid leave (sick leave and annual leave), holiday pay, health insurance, life insurance, retirement, etc. In fact, when I went to my rights and benefits class, I heard from people being converted to career employees after only a few months because of an opening. They were shocked that it took me 13+ years for a position to open up in my job title. Regarding pay, the full time career clerk in my office makes more than I do (he gets more hours), and the PTF we had made as much as me, working in several different offices to get her 40+ hours.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Convert all the housing into mixed use home-offices and all the offices into mixed use office-housing. Then, everybody can work from home. It will be great, work will feel like home. Unless you're a glass half empty type, in which case you might complain home will feel like work.

Hell no. It's 23 miles from home to the town I deliver in. Even IF I could sort at home, that would add another hour and 10 minutes at a minimum to my work day. And I'm sure as hell not going to live at the post office. They have florescent lighting that flickers when the bulbs get older.

[Terminus Station]

The best solution to the housing crisis is to tie the living wage to a country's GDP or a company's CEO's salary/bonus, whichever is higher. This makes it so things are more affordable in general.

Next is to create new housing laws that taxes empty homes/foreign ownership(ie: you bought property but your residence is in another country) more the longer they stay unoccupied and by banning air BNBs. Make it expensive to own empty houses for the sake of investing in the housing market the longer it stays empty so people cant just financially squat houses.

Then create new city bylaws that combines commercial and domestic residences like they do in other countries who used this solution to great affect. And have the government invest in developing affordable housing like Canada did before the conservative Harper government dismantled it decades ago, which led to the current housing crisis in the first place.

The free market, when not regulated with common sense laws, will always trend towards behaviour that make the most money, not behaviour that is necessarily beneficial to society. The government has a responsibility as a manifestation of the will of the people to spearhead initiatives that benefit society, and having government-funded housing serves to lower the price of housing towards as a necessity instead of a luxury.

[Gun Manufacturers]

The best solution to the housing crisis is to tie the living wage to a country's GDP or a company's CEO's salary/bonus, whichever is higher. This makes it so things are more affordable in general.

Next is to create new housing laws that taxes empty homes/foreign ownership(ie: you bought property but your residence is in another country) more the longer they stay unoccupied and by banning air BNBs. Make it expensive to own empty houses for the sake of investing in the housing market the longer it stays empty so people cant just financially squat houses.

Then create new city bylaws that combines commercial and domestic residences like they do in other countries who used this solution to great affect. And have the government invest in developing affordable housing like Canada did before the conservative Harper government dismantled it decades ago, which led to the current housing crisis in the first place.

The free market, when not regulated with common sense laws, will always trend towards behaviour that make the most money, not behaviour that is necessarily beneficial to society. The government has a responsibility as a manifestation of the will of the people to spearhead initiatives that benefit society, and having government-funded housing serves to lower the price of housing towards as a necessity instead of a luxury.

How would you go about banning AirBnB?

[Point Blob]

I've shoveled shit, hauled hay, and milked cows on a dairy farm for $5/hour, had to split firewood for heat (because it was too expensive to run the electric baseboard heating at my parents house), and regularly got a beating from my father if I didn't do everything his way, his speed, and to his liking. I had to save up a couple of years for my first car (it was a piece of shit that cost $3k + tax/title/registration), while working on that dairy farm, as well. I worked while I was in community college to pay for it, never had a career in my field of study, and worked a lot of crappy retail jobs at barely more than minimum wage. I now have a federal job that pays me more than double what I used to make at any of those retail jobs, but even that isn't easy. I boil in the summer, and freeze in the winter. I COULD take a break, but then I finish work later (so I usually don't). I have to be able to repeatedly lift up to 70 pounds at once, and have to deal with many unpredictable hazards.

I'm not soft, and I'm probably a lot older than you think I am.

No, I'm pretty sure you're old because being old is a prerequisite for any of that stuff having made any difference to the outcome. Because we're now LONG past the time where anyone can get anywhere in life by shovelling shit or milking cows. That time is dead.

Because you are incapable of saving up for a house doesn't mean most people are in the same boat. My first apt. Was a basement studio.

Cause and effect. Wrong way around.
I'm incapable of it for the same reason most people are... and a few other reasons besides.
Demand outstrips supply. The rich snatch up everything before anyone else can because they have greater means at their disposal. It takes almost everything I earn simply to live as I am, without any prospect of advancing my position. Plus I had no damned clue how to advance anything in the first place because most don't get taught how this stuff works and what I do know about living I've had to work out by trial and error as I went along... which included being functionally homeless for a while. And by this point I've basically given up on everything and I'm just waiting to die because every time I tried to take matters into my own hands, I got arrested for it.

[Ifreann]

I don't really care about your work history, I just think that the least you can do is treat people with the minimal level of good faith necessary to assume that they are doing the best they can with what they have, instead of this boomer-ass "These poors are just too lazy!" bullshit.

I was responding to you, after you took my previous post out of context. The previous post was a response to Point Blob calling me soft meat, privileged meat.

As to this post of yours, I realize that there are people are doing the best that they can. But I also see far too many people working one dead end, low paying job and bitching about how they never have money do do the things they want. Hell, I was one of those people for a long time. I'm saying it's possible for a person to change their situation and change what "the best they can" means. Whether that means a new line of work, a new location, or some other way.

How could you know what is possible for people better than they know themselves? If it was as simple as moving to another part of the country, people would do that. If they aren't doing that, obviously it isn't because they're somehow unaware that jobs exist in other parts of the world.

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Its worth noting that the vast majority of careers that have been suggested here are not something one can just start doing at a moment's notice. They require a certain degree of skill and knowledge that takes time and often money to get. Resources that if people had, they wouldn't be complaining in the first place.

So while yes, it's technically possible, its not feasible for many people.

Unskilled laborers never owned homes

There are no unskilled labourers.

[San Lumen]

I have accepted I’ll never own a home and that leaders don’t care it’s out of reach for anyone under 40 and that some cities are now gated communities.

They won’t do simple things to fix it because we must overcomplicate everything.

Have you seen how many Youtube content creators own homes? People in their 20's or early 30's on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th homes. I wish I was one of them, I wouldn't need to work a regular job.

There aren’t as many as you think. Making social media your primary job is a very difficult thing to do.

[Saiwana]

Have you seen how many Youtube content creators own homes? People in their 20's or early 30's on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th homes. I wish I was one of them, I wouldn't need to work a regular job.

Youtube isn't a real job, do you know how many tech savvy people block all advertising by default or skip through the ad portions? Google's efforts to close that off are apparently no match for uBlock Origin. If Youtube is their platform, Google gets the majority of any money earned or can take all of it, hence those people that whined and cried about demonetization a few years back.

If you manage to actually make enough from Youtube to quit a regular job, it means you're a big shot that outcompeted most of everyone else trying your niche, or you have or had first mover advantage. You have to keep it up, something disrupts that or if your content just isn't "in" anymore, and someone else will take your spot.

I have accepted I’ll never own a home and that leaders don’t care it’s out of reach for anyone under 40 and that some cities are now gated communities.

One way to think about it is that whether you buy or rent, housing is probably going to cost you some money. So if rent is more expensive than a mortgage payment where you live, you may as well just get a mortgage if you're not moving from a locale anytime soon? Who cares if you ever pay a house off or not, if you can just build equity and take whatever you paid in if you sell back to bank later on?

Save up for the down payment and just go for it.

[Point Blob]

Youtube isn't a real job, do you know how many tech savvy people block all advertising by default or skip through the ad portions? Google's efforts to close that off are apparently no match for uBlock Origin. If Youtube is their platform, Google gets the majority of any money earned or can take all of it, hence those people that whined and cried about demonetization a few years back.

If you manage to actually make enough from Youtube to quit a regular job, it means you're a big shot that outcompeted most of everyone else trying your niche, or you have or had first mover advantage. You have to keep it up, something disrupts that or if your content just isn't "in" anymore, and someone else will take your spot.

The fact that people who Youtube for a living continue to exist in that role is evidence enough that a lot of Youtubers do not, in fact, use uBlock Origin.
I don't know why anyone wouldn't use it, but I guess advertising must actually work on a lot of people... somehow. No damned clue why though. I can't stand it, personally.

[Grinning Dragon]

Have you seen how many Youtube content creators own homes? People in their 20's or early 30's on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th homes. I wish I was one of them, I wouldn't need to work a regular job.

Youtube isn't a real job, do you know how many tech savvy people block all advertising by default or skip through the ad portions? Google's efforts to close that off are apparently no match for uBlock Origin. If Youtube is their platform, Google gets the majority of any money earned or can take all of it, hence those people that whined and cried about demonetization a few years back.

If you manage to actually make enough from Youtube to quit a regular job, it means you're a big shot that out-competed most of everyone else trying your niche, or you have or had first mover advantage. You have to keep it up, something disrupts that or if your content just isn't "in" anymore, and someone else will take your spot.

I have accepted I’ll never own a home and that leaders don’t care it’s out of reach for anyone under 40 and that some cities are now gated communities.

One way to think about it is that whether you buy or rent, housing is probably going to cost you some money. So if rent is more expensive than a mortgage payment where you live, you may as well just get a mortgage if you're not moving from a locale anytime soon? Who cares if you ever pay a house off or not, if you can just build equity and take whatever you paid in if you sell back to bank later on?

Save up for the down payment and just go for it.

Say what now? Let's see, content creators provide a service that is consumed, sounds like a real job to me.
I've heard over the years that some treat web and multimedia creators of not being in a real job, where is this nonsense coming from? If one is generating an income, it's a real job.

[Point Blob]

Say what now? Let's see, content creators provide a service that is consumed, sounds like a real job to me.
I've heard over the years that some treat web and multimedia creators of not being in a real job, where is this nonsense coming from? If one is generating an income, it's a real job.

Probably that for every person who can earn a livable income from it, there are a few thousand who can't. And people tend to forget about the thousands who can't for the obvious reason that visibility is what enables those few who can.

[Ethel mermania]

I was responding to you, after you took my previous post out of context. The previous post was a response to Point Blob calling me soft meat, privileged meat.

As to this post of yours, I realize that there are people are doing the best that they can. But I also see far too many people working one dead end, low paying job and bitching about how they never have money do do the things they want. Hell, I was one of those people for a long time. I'm saying it's possible for a person to change their situation and change what "the best they can" means. Whether that means a new line of work, a new location, or some other way.

How could you know what is possible for people better than they know themselves? If it was as simple as moving to another part of the country, people would do that. If they aren't doing that, obviously it isn't because they're somehow unaware that jobs exist in other parts of the world.

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Unskilled laborers never owned homes

There are no unskilled labourers.

Unsurprisingly you have never worked at a construction site.

[Kernen]

I know I didn't. I went to school for Computer Programming.

I have accepted I’ll never own a home and that leaders don’t care it’s out of reach for anyone under 40 and that some cities are now gated communities.

They won’t do simple things to fix it because we must overcomplicate everything.

You absolutely could own a home, you just aren't willing to compromise on location.

[Ifreann]

How could you know what is possible for people better than they know themselves? If it was as simple as moving to another part of the country, people would do that. If they aren't doing that, obviously it isn't because they're somehow unaware that jobs exist in other parts of the world.

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There are no unskilled labourers.

Unsurprisingly you have never worked at a construction site.

No doubt I lack the skills.