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Postby Isle of Westland » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:21 am

Wokeism is social justice by the redistribution of land, power, influence, wealth, etc along class, race, and gender lines.
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:22 am

Isle of Westland wrote:Wokeism is social justice by the redistribution of land, power, influence, wealth, etc along class, race, and gender lines.

So woke people are all communists and communists are all woke?
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Postby El Lazaro » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:22 am

Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:What?

Yeah like the Nazis called themselves "race scientists", look it up.
And all the groups and the individual I named oppose wokeism, is everyone from a classical liberal to a Marxist "fascist"?
"Wokeism" is how bigots say "not being a bigot".

Finally, someone who addresses the argument rather than using the "it's a made-up word card" (Which is true, all words are made-up).
So, if, hypothetically, I believe there are natural differences in the brains of men and women, I am a bigot?

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:22 am

A stupid buzzword for anything you dont like.
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:23 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:A stupid buzzword for anything you dont like.

Right. So If I saw a Neo-Nazi, I would shout out "Woke!" because I don't like normie natsocs?
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Postby Isle of Westland » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:23 am

Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:
Isle of Westland wrote:Wokeism is social justice by the redistribution of land, power, influence, wealth, etc along class, race, and gender lines.

So woke people are all communists and communists are all woke?

Yes.
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Postby Kenjino » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:23 am

Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:
A word you use to artificially create a reason to make something the boogeyman of the week when you don’t have an actual reason

Ok, and what is the definition of this "fictional" bogeyman? Fictional entities can still be defined, for example, the dictionary has a definition of a unicorn

Of course it has other meanings, but that primary use of it I’ve seen in recent times is as a tack-on term whenever someone decides to start fear mongering about something that either doesn’t exist, a missed satire, or things that are definitely weird but not widespread at all

For the most part I think of news outlets using the term as a label for anything they don’t like and want you to also not like

And I never said it was fictional. Sometimes it is, but usually it’s just more unreasonable

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Postby Page » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:24 am

OP's definition is basically class-reductionism. Class may be the single most defining factor in terms of privilege and power but intersectionality cannot be disregarded. Even if the people united against the ruling class, there is still racism and sexism so deeply ingrained into us since birth that we must make an effort to unlearn.
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:26 am

Page wrote:OP's definition is basically class-reductionism. Class may be the single most defining factor in terms of privilege and power but intersectionality cannot be disregarded. Even if the people united against the ruling class, there is still racism and sexism so deeply ingrained into us since birth that we must make an effort to unlearn.

Maybe. But are there not also psychological differences between men and women? I think wokeism ignores the empirical evidence of these differences.
But, as I learned as a small child, differences does not mean that one thing/person is bad and the other thing/person is good.
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- War Minister, Akbar Zahir Khan, dies in airstrikes.

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Postby Striagro Uspil » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:27 am

Cameroon african state TNO rp wrote:
Striagro Uspil wrote:In the beginning, being "woke" was a term used for someone who is aware of racial discrimination in society and other forms of oppression and injustice. Over time however, it has been used as a pejorative for (usually right or center-leaning) people who take wokism too far: those of label everything as racist and sexist because of systemic oppression and patriarchy, all white people are oppressors and have white privilege, only white people can be racist, masculinity is toxic, etc., etc.

you are, absolutely fricking correct my guy


Thank you, I don't see an awful lot of nuanced opinions on these forums so I try to give them when I can
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Postby Necroghastia » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:28 am

Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:A meaningless buzzword used by conservatives in the same way as cultural bolshevism once was.

Did you actually see my definition before deciding whether you agree with it or not?

Obviously.
Ok, what's wrong with my definition?

Because a) that's not a thing that happens, b) it acts like people cannot care about more than one thing or view one thing as an aspect of another.
And is Slavoj Zizek a conservative?

Well, I can tell you what he definitely is not, and that is someone I have heard of or care about.
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Postby Kenjino » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:28 am

In general, I think wokeism, at least in a more modern and casual context just exists as a derogatory term applied to anything “bad” deemed to be the result of liberalism or something like that

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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:30 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:Did you actually see my definition before deciding whether you agree with it or not?

Obviously.
Ok, what's wrong with my definition?

Because a) that's not a thing that happens, b) it acts like people cannot care about more than one thing or view one thing as an aspect of another.

I have never met an Aboriginal Australian, so should I tell you they don't exist?
And is Slavoj Zizek a conservative?

Well, I can tell you what he definitely is not, and that is someone I have heard of or care about.

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Postby Striagro Uspil » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:32 am

Kenjino wrote:In general, I think wokeism, at least in a more modern and casual context just exists as a derogatory term applied to anything “bad” deemed to be the result of liberalism or something like that


I definitely see this becoming more true as the years go on, I'm willing to bet that extremely far-right types will call center-right conservatives "woke" by 2028
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Postby Portzania » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:33 am

Portzania wrote:Does not exist, but it's a great buzz word for controlling conservatives

To elaborate, woke has devolved into a buzzword for "conservative" politicians to throw around to rally conservatives into attacking the most little miniscule things, (lgbt rights, catholics, immigrants, etc), and they only exist to calm them down with the LATEST NEW drag queen show™, when they do nothing to actually conserve anything.
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:35 am

catholics

Who calls Catholics woke?
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Postby Portzania » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:36 am

Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:
catholics

Who calls Catholics woke?

Protestants and even Catholics themselves who think the Pope is too progressive.
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:36 am

Portzania wrote:
Fan-T Pashtunistan wrote:Who calls Catholics woke?

Protestants and even Catholics themselves who think the Pope is too progressive.

Oh, I see.
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- War Minister, Akbar Zahir Khan, dies in airstrikes.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:39 am

"Woke" is just a snarl word that conservatives use. It may as well not mean anything.
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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:45 am

Ifreann wrote:"Woke" is just a snarl word that conservatives use. It may as well not mean anything.

Can you read my definition, if only to criticise it?
I often read communist books to criticise them.
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- War Minister, Akbar Zahir Khan, dies in airstrikes.

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Postby The Dodo Republic » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:48 am

Work is a conservative snarl word. Even as someone who leans more conservative on some issues I abstain from using "woke". I feel its as good as curse word that undermines arguments.

As for the definition, woke to me is liberal/Progressive ideals especially regarding social and racial issues that are regarded poorly by Conservatives. Simple enough.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:35 am

Past beans wrote:I've always thought wokeism was an insult, not an actual term.


It’s an insult and a label.

It’s actually useful. It will tell you the person uttering it really doesn’t have anything for an argument.
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Postby What is the world really » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:37 am

I think it's when African-Americans are aware of political and social issues surrounding them.

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Postby Fan-T Pashtunistan » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:38 am

What is the world really wrote:I think it's when African-Americans are aware of political and social issues surrounding them.

Right. So Greta Thunberg is unwoke for using comments about a black man's penis in an argument?
It’s an insult and a label.

It’s actually useful. It will tell you the person uttering it really doesn’t have anything for an argument.

Maybe check my definition before calling it a "non-argument"
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-"Latest interest-rates crisis shows supremacy of Islamic finance"- Grand Mufti.
- War Minister, Akbar Zahir Khan, dies in airstrikes.

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Postby Countesia » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:40 am

it used to mean being aware of conspiracy theories, psyops and stuff

now its just a kneejerk buzzword for things people don't like

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