Is religion good?

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

So tell me, is it against the Quran?

If the gay man doesn’t have a wife then it’s against the Hadith to kill him.
The Hadith which says it’s ok if he does have the wife is the same for if he had an affair with a woman

So, killing adulterers is fine?

[Floofybit]

Why kill a person who has sinned instead of trying to help them repent or let them be dealt with in judgment?

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Why kill a person who has sinned instead of trying to help them repent or let them be dealt with in judgment?

Quran says so.

[Floofybit]

Why kill a person who has sinned instead of trying to help them repent or let them be dealt with in judgment?

Quran says so.

I know, but it doesn't make sense. Why not give them a chance at salvation instead of killing them. Strange

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Quran says so.

I know, but it doesn't make sense. Why not give them a chance at salvation instead of killing them. Strange

Because Quran is all knowing book and definitely not that magic beans salesman as a book.

[Najairadarethu]

So tell me, is it against the Quran?

If the gay man doesn’t have a wife then it’s against the Hadith to kill him.
The Hadith which says it’s ok if he does have the wife is the same for if he had an affair with a woman

There is no traditional school of Islamic jurisprudence that doesn't take the position that homosexuality has to be severely punished. That's enough to regard traditional Islam as backward and inhumane.

[Insaanistan]

Or, for that matter, that the two are equally bad.

I'm sure everyone has experienced that sort of fallacious middle-ground rhetoric, where someone says, "well, group-x wants to kill literally everyone who isn't just like them, but group-y supports a tariff on coffee imports, and I like Jamaican coffee. So..."

I find religion amusing. The Bible, where Satan is the bad guy, features God killing 2.5 million people (not including the time he destroyed the world to let his favourite human build an animal fuckzoo on water), vs Satan’s 10. Whilst saying things about loving all people.

In Islam, that story is related quite differently. For one, Noah actively warns his community about God’s punishment coming rather than silently building a boat as he does in the Bible, and actually succeeds in getting a section of the community to follow him. Additionally, many scholars believed his flood was local, as the Qur’ân simply says “al-Ardh” in reference to what was flood, causing centuries of debate as to whether it meant, in the context of the verse, “the world” or “the land”.

The twelfth century Islamic scholar ibn Ātiyyah wrote that the flood couldn’t be global because, “If it had been everyone on the earth, as some people say, then Noah and Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them, would be the same in regards to their being sent to the people of earth… It is made weightier by the view that the sending of Noah and the flood were only for the people of one region and not everyone on earth.”

Another point argued for centuries is to whether it was two of EVERY animal or just two of the animals (or all useful/domesticated ones) that were in the area.

[Arval Va]

Quran says so.

I know, but it doesn't make sense. Why not give them a chance at salvation instead of killing them. Strange

Almost like Christianity does the same thing. We're lucky Christian theocratic law isn't still around.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

I find religion amusing. The Bible, where Satan is the bad guy, features God killing 2.5 million people (not including the time he destroyed the world to let his favourite human build an animal fuckzoo on water), vs Satan’s 10. Whilst saying things about loving all people.

In Islam, that story is related quite differently. For one, Noah actively warns his community about God’s punishment coming rather than silently building a boat as he does in the Bible, and actually succeeds in getting a section of the community to follow him. Additionally, many scholars believed his flood was local, as the Qur’ân simply says “al-Ardh” in reference to what was flood, causing centuries of debate as to whether it meant, in the context of the verse, “the world” or “the land”.

The twelfth century Islamic scholar ibn Ātiyyah wrote that the flood couldn’t be global because, “If it had been everyone on the earth, as some people say, then Noah and Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them, would be the same in regards to their being sent to the people of earth… It is made weightier by the view that the sending of Noah and the flood were only for the people of one region and not everyone on earth.”

Another point argued for centuries is to whether it was two of EVERY animal or just two of the animals (or all useful/domesticated ones) that were in the area.

Specifics aside, does the Quran support stoning gay people. If it does, well, it’s inhumane and breaches human rights.

[Floofybit]

I know, but it doesn't make sense. Why not give them a chance at salvation instead of killing them. Strange

Because Quran is all knowing book and definitely not that magic beans salesman as a book.

Yeah, I know the Qur'an isn't the full truth, but I would have thought it would have made a bit more sense. Eh, it doesn't matter though because I'm not part of the religion anyways

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Because Quran is all knowing book and definitely not that magic beans salesman as a book.

Yeah, I know the Qur'an isn't the full truth, but I would have thought it would have made a bit more sense. Eh, it doesn't matter though because I'm not part of the religion anyways

Even Mormonism makes more sense than it. And considering my opinions on that…

[Arval Va]

I find religion amusing. The Bible, where Satan is the bad guy, features God killing 2.5 million people (not including the time he destroyed the world to let his favourite human build an animal fuckzoo on water), vs Satan’s 10. Whilst saying things about loving all people.

In Islam, that story is related quite differently. For one, Noah actively warns his community about God’s punishment coming rather than silently building a boat as he does in the Bible, and actually succeeds in getting a section of the community to follow him. Additionally, many scholars believed his flood was local, as the Qur’ân simply says “al-Ardh” in reference to what was flood, causing centuries of debate as to whether it meant, in the context of the verse, “the world” or “the land”.

The twelfth century Islamic scholar ibn Ātiyyah wrote that the flood couldn’t be global because, “If it had been everyone on the earth, as some people say, then Noah and Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them, would be the same in regards to their being sent to the people of earth… It is made weightier by the view that the sending of Noah and the flood were only for the people of one region and not everyone on earth.”

Another point argued for centuries is to whether it was two of EVERY animal or just two of the animals (or all useful/domesticated ones) that were in the area.

It's still a pointless and cruel act among the Abrahamic gods' many pointless and cruel acts. If that god is all-powerful, couldn't he find a way to solve his problem that didn't involve mass murder?

[Floofybit]

I know, but it doesn't make sense. Why not give them a chance at salvation instead of killing them. Strange

Almost like Christianity does the same thing. We're lucky Christian theocratic law isn't still around.

Sixth Commandment

[Neanderthaland]

Yeah, I know the Qur'an isn't the full truth, but I would have thought it would have made a bit more sense. Eh, it doesn't matter though because I'm not part of the religion anyways

Even Mormonism makes more sense than it. And considering my opinions on that…

I wouldn't go that far. Mormonism can be disproved by even the most basic understanding of anthropology.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Even Mormonism makes more sense than it. And considering my opinions on that…

I wouldn't go that far. Mormonism can be disproved by even the most basic understanding of anthropology.

Mhm. True. But religion is literally the magic beans salesman in different clothes and as a book.

[Insaanistan]

If the gay man doesn’t have a wife then it’s against the Hadith to kill him.
The Hadith which says it’s ok if he does have the wife is the same for if he had an affair with a woman

There is no traditional school of Islamic jurisprudence that doesn't take the position that homosexuality has to be severely punished. That's enough to regard traditional Islam as backward and inhumane.

“Hakam and Abu Hanifa said; there is no punishment on the homosexual.” -Ibn Qudamah, 7th century Muslim jurist.

[Insaanistan]

In Islam, that story is related quite differently. For one, Noah actively warns his community about God’s punishment coming rather than silently building a boat as he does in the Bible, and actually succeeds in getting a section of the community to follow him. Additionally, many scholars believed his flood was local, as the Qur’ân simply says “al-Ardh” in reference to what was flood, causing centuries of debate as to whether it meant, in the context of the verse, “the world” or “the land”.

The twelfth century Islamic scholar ibn Ātiyyah wrote that the flood couldn’t be global because, “If it had been everyone on the earth, as some people say, then Noah and Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon them, would be the same in regards to their being sent to the people of earth… It is made weightier by the view that the sending of Noah and the flood were only for the people of one region and not everyone on earth.”

Another point argued for centuries is to whether it was two of EVERY animal or just two of the animals (or all useful/domesticated ones) that were in the area.

Specifics aside, does the Quran support stoning gay people. If it does, well, it’s inhumane and breaches human rights.

The Qur’ân doesn’t mention anything about killing or even punishing gay people, hence why members of the now largely defunct Zahiri (meaning “Literalist”) School of Thought (such as Ibn Hazm), or the Hanafi School of Thought’s founder, Imam Abu Hanifa, ruled that sodomy couldn’t be punished.

[Arval Va]

Almost like Christianity does the same thing. We're lucky Christian theocratic law isn't still around.

Sixth Commandment

The 6th commandment says nothing about not killing adulterers.

[Floofybit]

Sixth Commandment

The 6th commandment says nothing about not killing adulterers.

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

[Arval Va]

The 6th commandment says nothing about not killing adulterers.

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

Well your god seems to be a bit of a hypocrite, then.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

The 6th commandment says nothing about not killing adulterers.

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

It’s like that one dude who said “Jesus didn’t use pronouns” and someone whipped out “I am He”

[Floofybit]

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

It’s like that one dude who said “Jesus didn’t use pronouns” and someone whipped out “I am He”

What?

[Arval Va]

It’s like that one dude who said “Jesus didn’t use pronouns” and someone whipped out “I am He”

What?

Yahweh's mentioned killing several million people in the Bible, and then he tells people to not kill? Seems that you're just focusing on the fluffy stuff.

[Floofybit]

Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."

Well your god seems to be a bit of a hypocrite, then.

God does things for a reason. We were given different roles than he was

[Floofybit]

What?

Yahweh's mentioned killing several million people in the Bible, and then he tells people to not kill? Seems that you're just focusing on the fluffy stuff.

We were given different roles than he was. We have different promises to fulfil