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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

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Hispida
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Postby Hispida » Thu May 18, 2023 7:12 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:He was a liberal. He was no different from Trudeau

Pinochet wasn’t a conservative; he was the same as Hugo Chavez but without the funny speeches and with a dumb, unfashionable hat. If you’re going to be a corrupt, authoritarian military leader who impoverishes the poors and turns your country into a dystopia, do it with style.

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 18, 2023 7:15 pm

Kerwa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Remember when Ron DeSantis trafficked a bunch of asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard and the right wing press had a field day, falling over themselves to proclaim that the liberals have shown their true colours, claiming to support migrants until those migrants turn up in their neighbourhood. Well, that isn't what happened in Martha's Vineyard, in fact the locals helped in any way they could until more suitable arrangements could be made, but it is exactly what you're doing. When the likes of DeSantis or other Republicans talk about phony big city liberals, they're talking about you.


No. The Martha’s Vineyard lot are worse than Lumen. If anything they are more vomit inducing than the Hampton’s crowd. Many of them are billionaires though so it’s no wonder you go to bat for them.

The people who actually live there are just normal people. It's basically a tourist town, except the tourists are stupidly rich east coast socialites.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 18, 2023 7:16 pm

El Lazaro wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Stop trying to accuse me of things I did not say.

Just implied, gotcha. Chickening out of admitting you think all homeless people should stop existing while very obviously signaling it is so much better than just outright saying your opinions.


I never once said anything of the sort.

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Pizza Friday Forever91
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Thu May 18, 2023 9:00 pm

it is now May 19th in EST, and that means that Fort Bragg is two weeks away from being renamed to Fort Liberty.

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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Thu May 18, 2023 9:58 pm

Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:it is now May 19th in EST, and that means that Fort Bragg is two weeks away from being renamed to Fort Liberty.

Do we have to retroactively start calling them the "Fort Liberty murders," or is it okay to keep calling them the Fort Bragg murders, since associating a Confederate general with murder and drug trafficking seems a little more morally acceptable than actually officially naming a big Union base after him?

El Lazaro wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:He was a liberal. He was no different from Trudeau

Pinochet wasn’t a conservative; he was the same as Hugo Chavez

Are you guys dueling with bad takes at ten paces or something?


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Port Caverton wrote:I think he's honest, just supports the Democratic Party at every instance

Exterminating all homeless people and refusing to construct multi-floor residential buildings for rich people aren’t Democratic policies; they’re the ravings of a fictional character intended to mock urbanites.

Nope, that's actually pretty much where a lot of Democratic mayors and city councils and donors are at, actually. I mean, mostly just the idea of gulags and starvation/exposure/denial of medical care so far, not explicit state-directed extermination, but they're getting there pretty fast; my money's on Seattle or Miami being the first to have proper death squads.
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Gravlen
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Postby Gravlen » Thu May 18, 2023 10:46 pm

Disney has officially canceled a $1 billion planned construction project in Orlando, which would have reportedly brought more than 2,000 jobs to the area.
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The Rio Grande River Basin
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Thu May 18, 2023 10:51 pm

Gravlen wrote:Disney has officially canceled a $1 billion planned construction project in Orlando, which would have reportedly brought more than 2,000 jobs to the area.

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Saiwana
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Postby Saiwana » Thu May 18, 2023 11:59 pm

Gravlen wrote:Disney has officially canceled a $1 billion planned construction project in Orlando, which would have reportedly brought more than 2,000 jobs to the area.


It's no big loss. I don't buy it for a second that each of those would be six figure jobs on average as Disney claimed. It is more of the typical corporate lies and smoke and mirrors. Was it such a big deal when AOC for example, lost 2,000+ Amazon jobs for her locale?

Jeff Bezos for a time, suckered several cities into falling all over the themselves to try to secure themselves as an Amazon HQ; but eventually wised up to Amazon just pretending all along and that those politicians would've been better off having enough backbone to say no to what any one company wants on taxes and more.
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Cook-Out
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Postby Cook-Out » Fri May 19, 2023 12:21 am

Gravlen wrote:Disney has officially canceled a $1 billion planned construction project in Orlando, which would have reportedly brought more than 2,000 jobs to the area.


Oh well, jobs aren't everything. Disney needs to be taken down a few notches. Don't simp for big corporations, they just want your money!

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EuroStralia
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Postby EuroStralia » Fri May 19, 2023 12:23 am

Gravlen wrote:Disney has officially canceled a $1 billion planned construction project in Orlando, which would have reportedly brought more than 2,000 jobs to the area.

Good, Disney needs to realize that it isn't all powerful.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri May 19, 2023 12:25 am

Real fun watching the esteemed individuals suddenly turn socialist the moment some corpo hurts the feelings of a man who needs to wear high heels for his narcissism.

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EuroStralia
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Postby EuroStralia » Fri May 19, 2023 12:28 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Real fun watching the esteemed individuals suddenly turn socialist the moment some corpo hurts the feelings of a man who needs to wear high heels for his narcissism.

Socialism is when you say that corperattions are not all powerful.
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Eahland
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Postby Eahland » Fri May 19, 2023 1:39 am

Cook-Out wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Disney has officially canceled a $1 billion planned construction project in Orlando, which would have reportedly brought more than 2,000 jobs to the area.


Oh well, jobs aren't everything. Disney needs to be taken down a few notches. Don't simp for big corporations, they just want your money!

Yes Desantis sure showed Disney by... :checks notes: ... discouraging them from giving Floridians well-paying jobs and contributing to his state's economy.
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Gravlen
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Postby Gravlen » Fri May 19, 2023 1:59 am

Cook-Out wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Disney has officially canceled a $1 billion planned construction project in Orlando, which would have reportedly brought more than 2,000 jobs to the area.


Oh well, jobs aren't everything. Disney needs to be taken down a few notches. Don't simp for big corporations, they just want your money!

Sure they just want your money, but the GOP's raison d'etre is to make sure corporations get that money. Where's that Republican spirit of dying in order to raise the stock market another couple of points now?
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Neu California
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Postby Neu California » Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 am

During her recent absence from the senate, Dianne Feinstein suffered encephalitis, something she had previously denied happened.
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Dimetrodon Empire
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Fri May 19, 2023 4:51 am

Senkaku wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Pinochet wasn’t a conservative; he was the same as Hugo Chavez

Are you guys dueling with bad takes at ten paces or something?


People think they're funny, and they're not.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 19, 2023 5:12 am

Neu California wrote:During her recent absence from the senate, Dianne Feinstein suffered encephalitis, something she had previously denied happened.

Politico seems to have picked up on something interesting. Among the aides shielding Feinstein from the press is Nancy Corinne Prowda, eldest daughter of Nancy Pelosi. Apparently the Pelosi family are deeply involved in keeping Feinstein in office.
The intrigue surrounds the future of Feinstein’s seat. Pelosi has endorsed Rep. Adam Schiff, her longtime protégé and former hand-picked House Intelligence Committee chair, to succeed Feinstein after her sixth and final term ends next year. Schiff (D-Calif.) is a household name in California and already has a $15 million campaign cash advantage over his nearest competitor.

But if Feinstein were to bow to pressure and retire early, Schiff’s advantage could disappear. Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-Calif.) has pledged to appoint a Black woman to serve out her term, and one of Schiff’s declared opponents, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), would fit the bill.

“If DiFi resigns right now, there is an enormous probability that Barbara Lee gets appointed — thus, it makes it harder for Schiff,” one Pelosi family confidant told Playbook, adding that the relationship between Pelosi, her daughter and the senator is “being kept under wraps and very, very closely held.”

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Dimetrodon Empire
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Fri May 19, 2023 5:17 am

Its funny how Democrats always manage to shot themselves in the foot.

She is going to get sick again, and there will still be no judges or anything like that. Giving the GOP even more of an opportunity to pack the courts in the future.

Similar stupidity is why Roe vs Wade was overturned. It's also why I think Trump will win in 2024 and the Dems will allow him to destroy what is left of American democracy.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 19, 2023 5:19 am

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Its funny how Democrats always manage to shot themselves in the foot.

She is going to get sick again, and there will still be no judges or anything like that. Giving the GOP even more of an opportunity to pack the courts in the future.

Similar stupidity is why Roe vs Wade was overturned. It's also why I think Trump will win in 2024 and the Dems will allow him to destroy what is left of American democracy.


Why do you think Trump will win?

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 19, 2023 5:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4011344-abbott-confirms-first-bus-of-migrants-has-arrived-in-colorado/

Abbott confirms first bus of migrants has arrived in Colorado

I think its also time to end sanctuary city policies. Places like New York have no room for them anymore.

Remember when Ron DeSantis trafficked a bunch of asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard and the right wing press had a field day, falling over themselves to proclaim that the liberals have shown their true colours, claiming to support migrants until those migrants turn up in their neighbourhood. Well, that isn't what happened in Martha's Vineyard, in fact the locals helped in any way they could until more suitable arrangements could be made, but it is exactly what you're doing. When the likes of DeSantis or other Republicans talk about phony big city liberals, they're talking about you.


I feel for these people I really do but we are running out of space for them.

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 19, 2023 5:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Remember when Ron DeSantis trafficked a bunch of asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard and the right wing press had a field day, falling over themselves to proclaim that the liberals have shown their true colours, claiming to support migrants until those migrants turn up in their neighbourhood. Well, that isn't what happened in Martha's Vineyard, in fact the locals helped in any way they could until more suitable arrangements could be made, but it is exactly what you're doing. When the likes of DeSantis or other Republicans talk about phony big city liberals, they're talking about you.


I feel for these people I really do but we are running out of space for them.

No you aren't. Your city is enormously wealthy, it simply isn't a matter of not being able to accommodate asylum seekers.

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Haganham
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Postby Haganham » Fri May 19, 2023 5:56 am

Isn't san in new york, the city that is hemorrhaging residents?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 19, 2023 5:59 am

Haganham wrote:Isn't san in new york, the city that is hemorrhaging residents?

It's not an argument based in facts, it's xenophobic bigotry looking for a more acceptable excuse.

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Haganham
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Postby Haganham » Fri May 19, 2023 6:36 am

Ifreann wrote:
Haganham wrote:Isn't san in new york, the city that is hemorrhaging residents?

It's not an argument based in facts, it's xenophobic bigotry looking for a more acceptable excuse.

I think its just more of his partisan nationalism. San is fine with enjoying the benights of immigration, such as feeling good about himself and a larger GDP. We can see that in his posts about immigration in Arizona, Florida.
He just wants the immigrants to stay in red states, not in his state. There's "no room" in his state.
Of course, by "no room" he means "not enough housing". He doesn't care, of course, if the people he demands foster immigrants also lack housing.
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Melrovia
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Postby Melrovia » Fri May 19, 2023 6:40 am

San Lumen wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Its funny how Democrats always manage to shot themselves in the foot.

She is going to get sick again, and there will still be no judges or anything like that. Giving the GOP even more of an opportunity to pack the courts in the future.

Similar stupidity is why Roe vs Wade was overturned. It's also why I think Trump will win in 2024 and the Dems will allow him to destroy what is left of American democracy.


Why do you think Trump will win?


Not Dimetrodon, but I also think Trump could win. There is concern about a third party spoiler like No Labels or an independent candidate taking votes from the Democrats. Also, no one is really enthusiastic about Biden, but a lot of people are still enthusiastic to vote for Trump.
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