American Politics: Indictments Galore

[Spirit of Hope]

Take away half the budget of the military and it would likely be more than enough to cover the costs.

Getting rid of the military budget entirely wouldn't solve the debt problem we are facing right now. The debt limit isn't "we are spending to much and going into debt" it's "we have promised to make payments and need to make them." Eliminating spending doesn't solve the second problem because you are still without money to pay the people that are owed money right now!

[San Lumen]

Take away half the budget of the military and it would likely be more than enough to cover the costs.

Getting rid of the military budget entirely wouldn't solve the debt problem we are facing right now. The debt limit isn't "we are spending to much and going into debt" it's "we have promised to make payments and need to make them." Eliminating spending doesn't solve the second problem because you are still without money to pay the people that are owed money right now!

So we delay some payments and pay what we can. Stop adding to the debt which only keeps growing start paying it back.

[Bombadil]

Getting rid of the military budget entirely wouldn't solve the debt problem we are facing right now. The debt limit isn't "we are spending to much and going into debt" it's "we have promised to make payments and need to make them." Eliminating spending doesn't solve the second problem because you are still without money to pay the people that are owed money right now!

So we delay some payments and pay what we can. Stop adding to the debt which only keeps growing start paying it back.

Yeah well every time people try to balance the budget the Republicans come in and blow it all out, then they have the audacity to try and stall raising the debt ceiling.

[Haganham]

Take away half the budget of the military and it would likely be more than enough to cover the costs.

Hahaha. Not even close. the US deficit is 925 billion the military costs 766 billion. You could cut it entirely and still have to borrow more.

[Spirit of Hope]

Getting rid of the military budget entirely wouldn't solve the debt problem we are facing right now. The debt limit isn't "we are spending to much and going into debt" it's "we have promised to make payments and need to make them." Eliminating spending doesn't solve the second problem because you are still without money to pay the people that are owed money right now!

So we delay some payments and pay what we can. Stop adding to the debt which only keeps growing start paying it back.

Delaying payments is not paying people. People, and organizations, that need that money to do things. Like pay pensions, allow for bank withdrawals, or make payroll, and pay their bills. So your solution continues to be "fuck people over" to try and solve a different problem.

[New haven america]

From what I can tell, Williams was a moderate-ish republican and Yemi Mobolade is an independent but is allied with the democrats.

Pretty easy win for what I've heard is a more conservative city? Has that changed recently?

Still the only place in Co that hasn't legalized weed.

[San Lumen]

So we delay some payments and pay what we can. Stop adding to the debt which only keeps growing start paying it back.

Yeah well every time people try to balance the budget the Republicans come in and blow it all out, then they have the audacity to try and stall raising the debt ceiling.

So don't raise the debt ceiling.

[Haganham]

The debt ceiling is irrelevant. Congress sets the debt limit, but congress also mandates the spending, and congress sets the tax.

[Spirit of Hope]

Yeah well every time people try to balance the budget the Republicans come in and blow it all out, then they have the audacity to try and stall raising the debt ceiling.

So don't raise the debt ceiling.

"Solve the hostage crisis by killing the hostage!" Genius solution, I'm sure the hostage loves it.

[Bombadil]

Yeah well every time people try to balance the budget the Republicans come in and blow it all out, then they have the audacity to try and stall raising the debt ceiling.

So don't raise the debt ceiling.

Or.. don't start unnecessary wars, deregulate markets so much that they explode, or be an extraordinarily bad president.. all causes of exponential growth in debt over the past 20 years.

[San Lumen]

So stop borrowing money and adding to the debt. Take the credit card away and say you can't borrow anymore. Spend within your means. Pay bills as we have the money and if that means interest payments and other bills are missed and treasury bonds are no longer risk free i don't care. Crack the very foundation of the financial system and wallop markets worldwide and maybe we will make a better system that isn't based around one countries debt.

So…you want the global economy to collapse as a “gottem”? Surely there’s a better way to “crack the foundation” that doesn’t involve irreparably tanking the economy for your sick pleasure.

I doubt the global economy would completely collapse nor would it be irreparably tanking. We came back from the Great Depression.

[Celritannia]

So…you want the global economy to collapse as a “gottem”? Surely there’s a better way to “crack the foundation” that doesn’t involve irreparably tanking the economy for your sick pleasure.

I doubt the global economy would completely collapse nor would it be irreparably tanking. We came back from the Great Depression.

The world is far more interconnected via trade and commerce than the 1930s.

[Bombadil]

So…you want the global economy to collapse as a “gottem”? Surely there’s a better way to “crack the foundation” that doesn’t involve irreparably tanking the economy for your sick pleasure.

I doubt the global economy would completely collapse nor would it be irreparably tanking. We came back from the Great Depression.

At fucking huge human cost including a Second World War.. Jesus wept..

[Celritannia]

Yeah well every time people try to balance the budget the Republicans come in and blow it all out, then they have the audacity to try and stall raising the debt ceiling.

So don't raise the debt ceiling.

What Happens If the U.S. Can’t Pay Its Bills? ‘Catastrophe’

[Deblar]

So…you want the global economy to collapse as a “gottem”? Surely there’s a better way to “crack the foundation” that doesn’t involve irreparably tanking the economy for your sick pleasure.

I doubt the global economy would completely collapse nor would it be irreparably tanking. We came back from the Great Depression.

The US is the world’s largest and most important economy, and has been for the better part of the last 8 decades. If that ship sinks it’s gonna take a looooot of others with it thanks to globalization.

Coming back from the Great Depression took more than 20 years, and it would’ve been even longer had it not been for the increased military spending that came with WWII (and, not to mention, the human lives spent). Why one would attempt to recreate it - on purpose, no less - is beyond me.

[The Black Forrest]

So…you want the global economy to collapse as a “gottem”? Surely there’s a better way to “crack the foundation” that doesn’t involve irreparably tanking the economy for your sick pleasure.

I doubt the global economy would completely collapse nor would it be irreparably tanking. We came back from the Great Depression.

A generation or two will lose wealth. Do you think the Great Depression was just and event?

[San Lumen]

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/amp/article/news/politics/elections/donna-deegan-will-be-the-next-mayor-of-jacksonville/77-867d6cd1-f9fb-456c-adcb-1ede027748e5

Donna Deegan will be the next mayor of Jacksonville

She will be the cities first woman mayor. This is a gain for Democrats.

Wha? When I looked at this earlier the Republican was looking to win.

Maybe this is a reaction to all of the crazy stuff the legislature and DeSantis have done since the election.

[Des-Bal]

Maybe this is a reaction to all of the crazy stuff the legislature and DeSantis have done since the election.

I wouldn't read that much into it. The Republican incumbent couldn't run, the four republican candidates split the vote and fought each other tooth and nail. The two democratic candidates were cooperative and one got vastly more votes than the other. Republicans as a unit actually had more votes in general but spread out across multiple candidates.

[Corrian]

There's only 2 of the top 20 most populous states in the US run by Republicans now

And apparently Fort Worth one according to comments may as well be a Democrat. She's very left for a Republican.

[Ifreann]

Americans sometimes seem to have a problem whereby they act like jaded players of a cynical political game, and expect others to do likewise. The problem being that you are not a player in this game. People talking politics online are just that, not political operatives campaigning and trying to use the best messaging to sway the public. People expressing their sincere political beliefs are not playing the game wrong to the detriment of "their candidate".

Surprisingly, people talk and people vote. I actually do believe that individuals have very little choice or influence over the broad strokes of political and historical developments, but something minor like Bernie's defeat? Obviously activists and even lower-level political thinking can influence that. And don't underestimate people, they understood very well that the weaker Bernie was, the stronger Clinton would be. When it comes to activists and influencers especially, that matters.

Corbyn was the leader of the Labour party from 2015 to 2020, and he resigned that position after poor electoral results following sabotage from the right wing of the party and incessant attacks by Britain's right wing press. So I don't think that your experiences on Reddit are reflective of left wing politics in the Anglosphere generally.

Lying by omission, huh? Corbyn was also expelled (not even demoted, expelled) from his seat and suspended by his own party. You cannot tell me that that happened without some sort of broader animosity towards him.

Corbyn still holds his seat. He is the MP for Islington North, as he has been since 1983. And again, he was the leader of the party until 2020, not disowned in 2016. There is animosity towards him in the Labour party. On the right wing.

If it was bad election results that did him in, he would've just ended being a backbench MP. He was basically exiled. Sanders and Corbyn are old white men. This has earned them tons of hatred from their own erstwhile allies, while billion dollar bailouts and war crimes can't even put a dent in Obama's reputation. It's pretty obvious, stop acting like you don't see it.

Kier Starmer is 60 years old and white.

You continue to make people up and assume they exist rather than describe real people.

People fit into categories, that's not my fault.

This would certainly be the first time that I've seen someone attribute Sanders' defeat in the 2016 primary to BLM disrupting one campaign speech of his. Generally people say he lost because he's too far left or because the DNC had it out for him.

Where did I attribute his defeat to them? They emasculated him and made him look pathetic. That's what I meant by "kicked in the balls," not that they singlehandedly ended his campaign. They did make him look weak though, it's not like they did no damage either.

The kinds of chauvinists who care about Sanders' balls were voting for Trump anyway.

They stopped her from speaking for ten minutes at this rally. They crashed this private fundraiser. They went for Bill as well.

I didn't know about these cases - that's fair enough. Although I don't think they were ever front page news the way Sanders' case was, but I guess you can chalk that up to media finagling. It's funny because I ended up seeing it the way the media wanted me to see it. Everyone can recall the image of Bernie Sanders sitting in the corner like a punished schoolboy while his speech got taken over. So I'll concede this one.

I don't remember the disruption of Sanders speech at all.

[Zurkerx]

The Texas State Legislature has passed a bill that would strip authority from cities.

This seems to have been done for business purposes to protect businesses from city regulations.

[Vassenor]

The Texas State Legislature has passed a bill that would strip authority from cities.

This seems to have been done for business purposes to protect businesses from city regulations.

If previous GOP shenanigans is any clue it's probably because cities were passing anti-discrimination ordinances.

EDIT:

House Bill 2127 takes large domains of municipal governing — from payday lending laws to regulations on rest breaks for construction workers to laws determining whether women can be discriminated against based on their hair — out of the hands of the state’s largely Democratic-run cities and shifts them to its Republican-controlled legislature.

Called it.

[Incelastan]

So…you want the global economy to collapse as a “gottem”? Surely there’s a better way to “crack the foundation” that doesn’t involve irreparably tanking the economy for your sick pleasure.

I doubt the global economy would completely collapse nor would it be irreparably tanking. We came back from the Great Depression.

Last Great Depression crushed the German economy and brought the Nazis a plurality in the Reichstag. Next one will usher in a Fall of Rome level collapse of civilization.

[Haganham]

So…you want the global economy to collapse as a “gottem”? Surely there’s a better way to “crack the foundation” that doesn’t involve irreparably tanking the economy for your sick pleasure.

I doubt the global economy would completely collapse nor would it be irreparably tanking. We came back from the Great Depression.

"I cant grasp building permits, maybe international monetary policy is more my speed."

[Khurkhogur]

Surprisingly, people talk and people vote. I actually do believe that individuals have very little choice or influence over the broad strokes of political and historical developments, but something minor like Bernie's defeat? Obviously activists and even lower-level political thinking can influence that. And don't underestimate people, they understood very well that the weaker Bernie was, the stronger Clinton would be. When it comes to activists and influencers especially, that matters.
Lying by omission, huh? Corbyn was also expelled (not even demoted, expelled) from his seat and suspended by his own party. You cannot tell me that that happened without some sort of broader animosity towards him.

Corbyn still holds his seat. He is the MP for Islington North, as he has been since 1983. And again, he was the leader of the party until 2020, not disowned in 2016. There is animosity towards him in the Labour party. On the right wing.

I said broader. It's one thing to remove him as head of the party. I doubt center-left Labour has enough control over the party on its own to suspend him. (Forgive my ignorance on British politics though, I thought they'd also forced him out of his seat. I actually have a friend who lives in Islington, I should've known.) Not having been disowned in 2016 doesn't change anything, 4 years is a short time frame. What would've hurt my argument is if he was suspended recently, because his views on Ukraine have been received very badly.

If it was bad election results that did him in, he would've just ended being a backbench MP. He was basically exiled. Sanders and Corbyn are old white men. This has earned them tons of hatred from their own erstwhile allies, while billion dollar bailouts and war crimes can't even put a dent in Obama's reputation. It's pretty obvious, stop acting like you don't see it.

Kier Starmer is 60 years old and white.

Sure, and he's more right-wing. But he's more milquetoast and he's visibly younger than Corbyn. I think he garners less hate. He's not charismatic enough for anyone to hate him, he's like a piece of soggy toast. Corbyn actually had backbone and will. That+being a white guy is a nono.

Where did I attribute his defeat to them? They emasculated him and made him look pathetic. That's what I meant by "kicked in the balls," not that they singlehandedly ended his campaign. They did make him look weak though, it's not like they did no damage either.

The kinds of chauvinists who care about Sanders' balls were voting for Trump anyway.

Oh please. Yeah, you're sooo above noticing strength and weakness, a key feature of human behavior. Nobody respects men who have been embarrassed like this or shown to have weak will, whether they'd like to admit it or not.