American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[San Lumen]

people donated it must have been rigged is that really your argument?

Why can't you and others just accept Sanders wasn't who the majority wanted?

Because the US media was weaponised to be against Sanders. It happens regularly in US and UK politics.
US politics is not fair, no matter how many times you try and pretend it is. Sanders was shafted by the DNC by their ploys.

No he wasn't. You will notice he rarely got above the high thirties. Thats not a strategy to keep the party together.

[Port Caverton]

Sanders lost. Get over it. The people didn't want him. Accept it and move on.

I mean, to be honest, Bernie didn't do as well in the end because the establishment Dems did everything in their possible power to fuck him over and make sure he DIDN'T get into the primaries. It's way better to get a liberal warhawk who has a better opinion on American imperialism than a progressive Dem who's against foreign wars, and pushes for universal healthcare and more rights granted to workers. The Democrat party has always been willing to push against the Progressives and ally with republicans, cause at least republicans and dems can find common ground...like on invading Iraq for oil, as an example.

Based Democrats

[San Lumen]

Sanders lost. Get over it. The people didn't want him. Accept it and move on.

I mean, to be honest, Bernie didn't do as well in the end because the establishment Dems did everything in their possible power to fuck him over and make sure he DIDN'T get into the primaries. It's way better to get a liberal warhawk who has a better opinion on American imperialism than a progressive Dem who's against foreign wars, and pushes for universal healthcare and more rights granted to workers. The Democrat party has always been willing to push against the Progressives and ally with republicans, cause at least republicans and dems can find common ground...like on invading Iraq for oil, as an example.

This is a bunch of nonsense.

[Celritannia]

Because the US media was weaponised to be against Sanders. It happens regularly in US and UK politics.
US politics is not fair, no matter how many times you try and pretend it is. Sanders was shafted by the DNC by their ploys.

No he wasn't. You will notice he rarely got above the high thirties. Thats not a strategy to keep the party together.

And why is that? Because of the DNC's intervention with the media. Sanders had limited air time on TV and on the Internet, compared to Clinton.
It amazes me how you do not even read the presented evidence that explains this. Statistics only mean so much until you look more in-depth and at the nuance of the situation.

[Celritannia]

I mean, to be honest, Bernie didn't do as well in the end because the establishment Dems did everything in their possible power to fuck him over and make sure he DIDN'T get into the primaries. It's way better to get a liberal warhawk who has a better opinion on American imperialism than a progressive Dem who's against foreign wars, and pushes for universal healthcare and more rights granted to workers. The Democrat party has always been willing to push against the Progressives and ally with republicans, cause at least republicans and dems can find common ground...like on invading Iraq for oil, as an example.

This is a bunch of nonsense.

YEah, because there isn't evidence for this. Oh, wait...

[Urkennalaid]

I mean, to be honest, Bernie didn't do as well in the end because the establishment Dems did everything in their possible power to fuck him over and make sure he DIDN'T get into the primaries. It's way better to get a liberal warhawk who has a better opinion on American imperialism than a progressive Dem who's against foreign wars, and pushes for universal healthcare and more rights granted to workers. The Democrat party has always been willing to push against the Progressives and ally with republicans, cause at least republicans and dems can find common ground...like on invading Iraq for oil, as an example.

This is a bunch of nonsense.

Wait, you don't think the Democrat party didn't accuse Bernie of being a misogynist and undermined him every step of the way? Not to mention the fact the Democrat party admitted with Hillary that they didn't take in to consideration about Trump's popularity and basically gave him the stand to speak. I mean, we all saw the CNN town hall right? The Dems have no problem pushing Trump when it's useful for them.

[Pizza Friday Forever91]

Don't you people get tired of debating Lumen?

[Tarsonis]

You're just demonstrating what we've already said. I didn't cite emails, I cited the head of the DNC publically admitting to it. You cant help but lie and deflect to some bullshit about emails, because you've got nothing to stand on.

While yes, Sanders turnout wasn't great, he still won 23 primaries. How many more might he has won, has DWS not let the Clinton campaign effectively run the show, we'll only be able to speculate on.

This is ultimately the point. There are ways of unduly influencing the outcome of an election beyond ballot stuffing, you just refuse to acknowledge it.




Yeah, except this is a pattern of behavior from you, not a one off.

Sanders lost. Get over it. The people didn't want him. Accept it and move on.

Again, I didn't support Sanders in the election, still don't. I'm not even a Democrat. How many of these canned responses are you gonna run through before you just have to admit the fact that your precious Democratic Party aren't the super good guys you think they are?

[The Black Forrest]

Don't you people get tired of debating Lumen?

Apparently not.

Saunders is another thing. He is the new Ron Paul topic.

[Incelastan]

You're just demonstrating what we've already said. I didn't cite emails, I cited the head of the DNC publically admitting to it. You cant help but lie and deflect to some bullshit about emails, because you've got nothing to stand on.

While yes, Sanders turnout wasn't great, he still won 23 primaries. How many more might he has won, has DWS not let the Clinton campaign effectively run the show, we'll only be able to speculate on.

This is ultimately the point. There are ways of unduly influencing the outcome of an election beyond ballot stuffing, you just refuse to acknowledge it.




Yeah, except this is a pattern of behavior from you, not a one off.

Sanders lost. Get over it. The people didn't want him. Accept it and move on.

Your hatred of Sanders and blind allegiance to the Democratic Party are almost entertaining in a way. Almost.

[San Lumen]

Sanders lost. Get over it. The people didn't want him. Accept it and move on.

Your hatred of Sanders and blind allegiance to the Democratic Party are almost entertaining in a way. Almost.

No im sick and tired of rehashing this. He lost twice. Accept it and move on. If he was the nominee I would have voted for him.

The Republican party doesn't share my values and until they disown the crazies, conspiracy theorists and extremist agenda not a single Republican at any level of government will get my vote.

[Celritannia]

Your hatred of Sanders and blind allegiance to the Democratic Party are almost entertaining in a way. Almost.

No im sick and tired of rehashing this. He lost twice. Accept it and move on. If he was the nominee I would have voted for him.

The Republican party doesn't share my values and until they disown the crazies, conspiracy theorists and extremist agenda not a single Republican at any level of government will get my vote.

We have evidence that the DNC shafted Sanders in the 2016 election, you just fail to understand this.

As for the 2020 election, I do agree he did not get enough support.

[San Lumen]

Polls are now closed in Kentucky for the primary elections

All statewide positions are up this year and unlike many states the State legislature is not elected with the statewide officials.

[Incelastan]

Your hatred of Sanders and blind allegiance to the Democratic Party are almost entertaining in a way. Almost.

No im sick and tired of rehashing this. He lost twice. Accept it and move on. If he was the nominee I would have voted for him.

The Republican party doesn't share my values and until they disown the crazies, conspiracy theorists and extremist agenda not a single Republican at any level of government will get my vote.

They seem to agree with you on unions and strikes. Among other economic issues.

As for Sanders, you seem to bear him some kind of personal animus, so it's easy for you to hand wave and claim that you would have voted for him if he had been nominated, especially when you don't want to admit that the DNC moved Heaven and Earth to eliminate any chance of that.

[San Lumen]

No im sick and tired of rehashing this. He lost twice. Accept it and move on. If he was the nominee I would have voted for him.

The Republican party doesn't share my values and until they disown the crazies, conspiracy theorists and extremist agenda not a single Republican at any level of government will get my vote.

They seem to agree with you on unions and strikes. Among other economic issues.

still doesn't mean I'm voting for a single one of their candidates.

[Shrillland]

Because the US media was weaponised to be against Sanders. It happens regularly in US and UK politics.
US politics is not fair, no matter how many times you try and pretend it is. Sanders was shafted by the DNC by their ploys.

No he wasn't. You will notice he rarely got above the high thirties. Thats not a strategy to keep the party together.

It is at times like this that we must remember Fitzgerald's Law. Both things can be true, you know. Remember Russian interference? That's what the interference was, the Russians had leaked the DNC emails showing under influence to try and divide the party in favour of Trump's victory.

Don't you people get tired of debating Lumen?

A lot of the time, but when I debate, I do my best not to dogpile.

[Tarsonis]

Your hatred of Sanders and blind allegiance to the Democratic Party are almost entertaining in a way. Almost.

No im sick and tired of rehashing this. He lost twice. Accept it and move on. If he was the nominee I would have voted for him.

The Republican party doesn't share my values and until they disown the crazies, conspiracy theorists and extremist agenda not a single Republican at any level of government will get my vote.

We keep rehashing it, because you keep denying demonstrable fact. For no reason I might add. It's okay to admit it happen, hell the courts even said the DNC had the right to do it. You just can't admit your sacred cow done a bad thing.

[Incelastan]

No he wasn't. You will notice he rarely got above the high thirties. Thats not a strategy to keep the party together.

It is at times like this that we must remember Fitzgerald's Law. Both things can be true, you know. Remember Russian interference? That's what the interference was, the Russians had leaked the DNC emails showing under influence to try and divide the party in favour of Trump's victory.

Don't you people get tired of debating Lumen?

A lot of the time, but when I debate, I do my best not to dogpile.

Pretty bad when you can't defend against Russian "misinformation" because said information happens to be true.

[Shrillland]

Polls are now closed in Kentucky for the primary elections

All statewide positions are up this year and unlike many states the State legislature is not elected with the statewide officials.

Many thanks for the reminder. The CDT polls are still open until 6.

[Shrillland]

Using a procedural tweak, Santos' expulsion to go up before the House by Thursday at the latest

[Necroghastia]

Missouri AG's draconian anti-trans rules, which would ban transition treatment for children and adults alike, have been terminated.

[Eternal Algerstonia]

the purge is beginning... george santos first conservative to be killed in the impending genocide. the new world order will be publicly proclaimed by the end of the week and death squads will line the streets with the corpses of patriots

[Neutraligon]

Missouri AG's draconian anti-trans rules, which would ban transition treatment for children and adults alike, have been terminated.

Can't read got another link or a way to read?

[Necroghastia]

Missouri AG's draconian anti-trans rules, which would ban transition treatment for children and adults alike, have been terminated.

Can't read got another link or a way to read?

JEFFERSON CITY — Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey on Tuesday asked to terminate his emergency rules restricting transgender health care, the Missouri secretary of state’s office said.

The rules, believed to be the first in the United States limiting care for transgender minors and adults, were terminated effective Tuesday, according to the secretary of state’s website.

Bailey’s action Tuesday effectively ends a court fight in St. Louis County over the rules. The judge in that case had temporarily blocked enforcement of the restrictions until July.

Bailey, a Republican, announced his rules in March, and published them in April. They included a new therapy requirement that created an 18-month waiting period for care.

His action Tuesday also followed the Missouri Legislature’s passage last week of restrictions on transgender health care for minors. Gov. Mike Parson, a Republican, is expected to sign that legislation.

The attorney general’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

After the initial court loss and action by lawmakers, Bailey’s decision was not unexpected. He hinted last week that he could drop the effort.

His action Tuesday came on a day when the news cycle was focused on his attempts to drive St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kimberly M. Gardner from office.

There was no formal announcement from his office that he dropped the controversial rule as he prepares for a 2024 run for a full term.

Bailey announced the rules March 20, but didn’t file them with the secretary of state until April 13.

Bailey had initially only mentioned regulations for minors.

His spokeswoman acknowledged after the rules were filed that the limits would affect everyone. Puberty blockers, hormone therapies and surgeries would’ve all been restricted under the new rules.

“We believe everyone is entitled to evidence-based medicine and adequate mental health care,” Madeline Sieren, spokeswoman for Bailey, said at the time.

When the rules were announced, Planned Parenthood, which provides hormone replacement therapy to patients 16 or older, said Bailey’s rules were an attempt “to effectively ban gender-affirming care in Missouri.”

Bailey’s fellow Republicans didn’t rush to his defense after he was criticized for his unprecedented action.

Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, a Repubican running for governor in 2024, predicted the rules would never actually take effect.

Lt. Gov. Mike Kehoe, a Republican who is running for governor, declined to comment on Bailey’s rules.

And Parson, who appointed Bailey to the job, said he disagreed with limits on health care for adults.

Bailey based the authority for the regulation on the Missouri Merchandising Practices Act, a consumer protection law the attorney general enforces.

And for reference, the rule:

Specific informed-consent disclosures informing patients that, among other things,
The use of puberty blocker drugs or cross-sex hormones to treat gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is experimental and is not approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)
The FDA has issued a warning that puberty blockers can lead to brain swelling and blindness
Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare (“NBHW”) recently declared that, at least for minors, “the risks of puberty suppressing treatment with GnRH-analogues and gender-affirming hormonal treatment currently outweigh the possible benefits”
One scientific study notes that an individual whose friend identifies as transgender is “more than 70 times” as likely to similarly identify as transgender, suggesting that many individuals “incorrectly believe themselves to be transgender and in need of transition” because of social factors
The Endocrine Society found that “the large majority (about 85%) of prepubertal children with a childhood diagnosis did not remain GD/gender incongruent in adolescence”
Prohibiting gender transition interventions when the provider fails to,
ensure that the patient has received a full psychological or psychiatric assessment, consisting of not fewer than 15 separate, hourly sessions over the course of not fewer than 18 months to determine, among other things, whether the person has any mental health comorbidities
ensure that any existing mental health comorbidities of the patient have been treated and resolved
adopt and follow a procedure to track all adverse effects that arise from any course of covered gender transition intervention for all patients beginning the first day of intervention and continuing for a period of not fewer than 15 years
obtain and keep on file informed written consent
ensure that the patient has received a comprehensive screening to determine whether the patient has autism
ensure (at least annually) that the patient is not experiencing social contagion with respect to the patient’s gender identity

Obviously, things like resolving depression (often comorbid with dysphoria) or the "ensure social contagion" BS before someone being able to transition is just. buckwild.

[Zurkerx]

Missouri AG's draconian anti-trans rules, which would ban transition treatment for children and adults alike, have been terminated.

I mean, he did hint at withdrawing it in the past: no need when the State Legislature passed a measure. This was him ending the emergency powers.