American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[Necroghastia]

And once again you are insisting that Republicans do something you yourself would not due because it is stupid marketing. In Oregon the dems already have the majority of seats, hence why the only option for these individuals is to prevent a quorum.

No I would not. I'd show up to session and chastise my colleagues. Repeal the quorum law. I think Oregon is one of the only states that has this rule.

Well. See how many votes that gets you when that blows up in your face, and all you had to do was... NOT that.

[Ors Might]

It literally is.

So you decided to stop showing up to your job or refused to do any work during your scheduled hours you wouldn't be fired? What fantasy world do you live in?

If my boss said to stay home and I tried to clock in, I'd be fired Lumen.

[San Lumen]

It literally is.

We will find out next election if the boss wants them to be fired. What is the phrase Lumen uses. Ah yes term limits exist it is called elections. In this case firing exists, it is called elections.

Several of them won't have a choice. The law will bar them from running.

[Bombadil]

I mean.. representatives are elected to operate within a framework. It appears, in this case, that framework included disbarring people from re-election if they skipped 10 days.

You don't just elect someone to do whatever you want, you elect them to work within a framework to represent your interests.

I certainly support mechanisms that allow for both majorities and minorities to be heard, and for everyone to be as fairly represented as possible. Alas politics is messy, often underhanded, where winning at all costs is more important than doing the right thing.

That is unfortunately a law that was passed somewhat recently by voters. It is something I am very much against. It will be used against dems to force further harm to lgbt students in other states.

I think a balance needs to be struck between allowing for government to operate and a mechanism to dissent. It's a democracy, not a kindergarten, and alas some aspects of decisions within a democracy aren't to everyone's taste.

[American Legionaries]

It literally is.

So you decided to stop showing up to your job or refused to do any work during your scheduled hours you wouldn't be fired? What fantasy world do you live in?

I live in a world where employee insubordination gets people fired. Most folks call it the real world.

[Neutraligon]

And once again you are insisting that Republicans do something you yourself would not due because it is stupid marketing. In Oregon the dems already have the majority of seats, hence why the only option for these individuals is to prevent a quorum.

No I would not. I'd show up to session and chastise my colleagues. Repeal the quorum law. I think Oregon is one of the only states that has this rule.

Pretty sure there are others considering the Texas walkout.

[San Lumen]

So you decided to stop showing up to your job or refused to do any work during your scheduled hours you wouldn't be fired? What fantasy world do you live in?

If my boss said to stay home and I tried to clock in, I'd be fired Lumen.

What part of this are you not understanding? That is not what I said at all! Your deliberately being obtuse and dodging an answer. I suggest you start refusing to do your job and stop clocking in all together and tell your boss you demand to keep your job and still get payed.

[Neutraligon]

We will find out next election if the boss wants them to be fired. What is the phrase Lumen uses. Ah yes term limits exist it is called elections. In this case firing exists, it is called elections.

Several of them won't have a choice. The law will bar them from running.

That depends on if it survives the courts. I actually do not think it will.

[San Lumen]

That is unfortunately a law that was passed somewhat recently by voters. It is something I am very much against. It will be used against dems to force further harm to lgbt students in other states.

I think a balance needs to be struck between allowing for government to operate and a mechanism to dissent. It's a democracy, not a kindergarten, and alas some aspects of decisions within a democracy aren't to everyone's taste.

What do you suggest?

[Neutraligon]

If my boss said to stay home and I tried to clock in, I'd be fired Lumen.

What part of this are you not understanding? That is not what I said at all! Your deliberately being obtuse and dodging an answer. I suggest you start refusing to do your job and stop clocking in all together and tell your boss you demand to keep your job and still get payed.

Considering the constituents, who are the boss of their representatives, are telling them that they do not want them to show up and that they will continue to be paid well, your comparison does not work.

[San Lumen]

Several of them won't have a choice. The law will bar them from running.

That depends on if it survives the courts. I actually do not think it will.

On what grounds would it be struck down? Is there a lawsuit about it?

[Incelastan]

This whole thing reminds me of the time that the Tennessee legislators walked during deliberations about the Fourteenth Amendment and Governor Brownlow used troops to force them to attend. He counted them towards a quorum, but didn't let them vote. Now, that was probably a rare case where that was justified, because they were trying to stop a vital constitutional reform that would frankly benefit their constituents, too. But it doesn't generally apply as a principle and is generally speaking a strong-arm tactic.

[Neutraligon]

That depends on if it survives the courts. I actually do not think it will.

On what grounds would it be struck down? Is there a lawsuit about it?

As soon as these legislators are not allowed on the ballot or win reelection but are not allowed to be sworn in is the second that a lawsuit happens. Likely on the grounds of it being unconstitutional.

[Ors Might]

If my boss said to stay home and I tried to clock in, I'd be fired Lumen.

What part of this are you not understanding? That is not what I said at all! Your deliberately being obtuse and dodging an answer. I suggest you start refusing to do your job and stop clocking in all together and tell your boss you demand to keep your job and still get payed.

The voters are the boss of their representative. The voters were best represented by their representative not showing up. Thus the representatives were doing what their boss wanted. What part of this are you not getting?

[Neutraligon]

This whole thing reminds me of the time that the Tennessee legislators walked during deliberations about the Fourteenth Amendment and Governor Brownlow used troops to force them to attend. He counted them towards a quorum, but didn't let them vote. Now, that was probably a rare case where that was justified, because they were trying to stop a vital constitutional reform that would frankly benefit their constituents, too. But it doesn't generally apply as a principle and is generally speaking a strong-arm tactic.

There is a reason they often flee to other states. Means that they can't be forced to return.

[San Lumen]

On what grounds would it be struck down? Is there a lawsuit about it?

As soon as these legislators are not allowed on the ballot or win reelection but are not allowed to be sworn in is the second that a lawsuit happens.

And on what grounds will this law be struck down?

[Pizza Friday Forever91]

This whole thing reminds me of the time that the Tennessee legislators walked during deliberations about the Fourteenth Amendment and Governor Brownlow used troops to force them to attend. He counted them towards a quorum, but didn't let them vote. Now, that was probably a rare case where that was justified, because they were trying to stop a vital constitutional reform that would frankly benefit their constituents, too. But it doesn't generally apply as a principle and is generally speaking a strong-arm tactic.

I think Robert Byrd during his time as I believe senate majority leader arrested all of the republicans to bring them back for a vote during like, the 80s

[Neutraligon]

As soon as these legislators are not allowed on the ballot or win reelection but are not allowed to be sworn in is the second that a lawsuit happens.

And on what grounds will this law be struck down?

On the grounds of it being unconstitutional.

[San Lumen]

What part of this are you not understanding? That is not what I said at all! Your deliberately being obtuse and dodging an answer. I suggest you start refusing to do your job and stop clocking in all together and tell your boss you demand to keep your job and still get payed.

The voters are the boss of their representative. The voters were best represented by their representative not showing up. Thus the representatives were doing what their boss wanted. What part of this are you not getting?

Why don't you start refusing to do your job and demand you still get payed?

[Incelastan]

This whole thing reminds me of the time that the Tennessee legislators walked during deliberations about the Fourteenth Amendment and Governor Brownlow used troops to force them to attend. He counted them towards a quorum, but didn't let them vote. Now, that was probably a rare case where that was justified, because they were trying to stop a vital constitutional reform that would frankly benefit their constituents, too. But it doesn't generally apply as a principle and is generally speaking a strong-arm tactic.

I think Robert Byrd during his time as I believe senate majority leader arrested all of the republicans to bring them back for a vote during like, the 80s

Did he use the sergeant-at-arms? Or the Capitol Hill Police?

[Elwher]

What part of this are you not understanding? That is not what I said at all! Your deliberately being obtuse and dodging an answer. I suggest you start refusing to do your job and stop clocking in all together and tell your boss you demand to keep your job and still get payed.

The voters are the boss of their representative. The voters were best represented by their representative not showing up. Thus the representatives were doing what their boss wanted. What part of this are you not getting?

The question is, what evidence is there that a majority of the voters in those districts wanted their representatives to not show up? When one elects a representative, the default position would be that they represent the voters in the legislature; there needs to be some reason to presume that is not the case.

[San Lumen]

And on what grounds will this law be struck down?

On the grounds of it being unconstitutional.

How is it unconstitutional?

[Incelastan]

And on what grounds will this law be struck down?

On the grounds of it being unconstitutional.

Which it is. Parliamentary procedure is no legitimate reason to disqualify members elected by their constituents. Even if you disagree with their parliamentary tricks. After all, against a supermajority, well, you get the idea. It is the only weapon they have left. Though It would have been neat to see the Nazi deputies barred from the Reichstag in 1932 for walkouts.

[Ors Might]

The voters are the boss of their representative. The voters were best represented by their representative not showing up. Thus the representatives were doing what their boss wanted. What part of this are you not getting?

Why don't you start refusing to do your job and demand you still get payed?

If my boss said not to clock in, I wouldn't clock in.

[Neutraligon]

The voters are the boss of their representative. The voters were best represented by their representative not showing up. Thus the representatives were doing what their boss wanted. What part of this are you not getting?

The question is, what evidence is there that a majority of the voters in those districts wanted their representatives to not show up? When one elects a representative, the default position would be that they represent the voters in the legislature; there needs to be some reason to presume that is not the case.

Nope, the assumption is that they represent the voters wherever they are needed in order to pass or block anything their constituents want. If that means not showing up as the only way to block a bill then that is what is needed.