American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[El Lazaro]

Why does it matter when nobody in question is doing this?

Because why should these people get to keep a job they refuse to do?

If people made money based on what they contribute, then CEOs would be broke. How much people deserve to make is entirely separate from how much people do make, so asking why people who aren’t raking in millions shouldn’t be paid less/not at all is a myopic and immaterial concern.

[San Lumen]

who is their bosses and if these people want to grind government to halt their representative is fired and if they don't like it tough.

Their bosses are the people that elected them as their representatives. And if you don't like that then, as you put it, tough.

They are obstructing the business of government and keeping it from functioning at all. That's not something a minority should get to do. If they don't like what's coming out of Salem tough. Refuse to show up and your representative is fired.

[Bombadil]

I mean.. representatives are elected to operate within a framework. It appears, in this case, that framework included disbarring people from re-election if they skipped 10 days.

You don't just elect someone to do whatever you want, you elect them to work within a framework to represent your interests.

I certainly support mechanisms that allow for both majorities and minorities to be heard, and for everyone to be as fairly represented as possible. Alas politics is messy, often underhanded, where winning at all costs is more important than doing the right thing.

[American Legionaries]

Their bosses are the people that elected them as their representatives. And if you don't like that then, as you put it, tough.

They are obstructing the business of government and keeping it from functioning at all.

That's their job.

That's not something a minority should get to do. If they don't like what's coming out of Salem tough.

They can stop the government from functioning and force negotiation, if you don't like that, tough.

Refuse to show up and your representative is fired.

Fascist.

[Neutraligon]

I mean.. representatives are elected to operate within a framework. It appears, in this case, that framework included disbarring people from re-election if they skipped 10 days.

You don't just elect someone to do whatever you want, you elect them to work within a framework to represent your interests.

I certainly support mechanisms that allow for both majorities and minorities to be heard, and for everyone to be as fairly represented as possible. Alas politics is messy, often underhanded, where winning at all costs is more important than doing the right thing.

That is unfortunately a law that was passed somewhat recently by voters. It is something I am very much against. It will be used against dems to force further harm to lgbt students in other states.

[Ors Might]

Their bosses are the people that elected them as their representatives. And if you don't like that then, as you put it, tough.

They are obstructing the business of government and keeping it from functioning at all. That's not something a minority should get to do. If they don't like what's coming out of Salem tough. Refuse to show up and your representative is fired.

How fucking undemocratic of you. Do something San Lumen doesn't like and you lose your representative.

[San Lumen]

They are obstructing the business of government and keeping it from functioning at all.

That's their job.

That's not something a minority should get to do. If they don't like what's coming out of Salem tough.

They can stop the government from functioning and force negotiation, if you don't like that, tough.

Refuse to show up and your representative is fired.

Fascist.

No it is not.

Not showing up for session doesn't just mean bills don't get passed it means there isn't a budget so nothing can operate but that doesn't matter right?

[Neutraligon]

That's their job.

They can stop the government from functioning and force negotiation, if you don't like that, tough.

Fascist.

No it is not.

Not showing up for session doesn't just mean bills don't get passed it means there isn't a budget so nothing can operate but that doesn't matter right?

If that is what their constituents want then yes. They are doing their job by ensuring that what their constituents do not want passed do not get past. They will of course have to deal with whether what the constituents do want to get passed is more important than what they do not want to get passed at some point.

[San Lumen]

They are obstructing the business of government and keeping it from functioning at all. That's not something a minority should get to do. If they don't like what's coming out of Salem tough. Refuse to show up and your representative is fired.

How fucking undemocratic of you. Do something San Lumen doesn't like and you lose your representative.

Have whatever beliefs you want but if you refuse to show up for and do the job you were hired for you are fired. I don't see why this is so controversial. This tactic wouldn't fly with any of us so why should they get to do it?

[American Legionaries]

That's their job.

They can stop the government from functioning and force negotiation, if you don't like that, tough.

Fascist.

No it is not.

Sure it is.

Not showing up for session doesn't just mean bills don't get passed it means there isn't a budget so nothing can operate but that doesn't matter right?

On the contrary, it matters very much. That's why this can be such an effective tactic.

[San Lumen]

No it is not.

Not showing up for session doesn't just mean bills don't get passed it means there isn't a budget so nothing can operate but that doesn't matter right?

If that is what their constituents want then yes. They are doing their job by ensuring that what their constituents do not want passed do not get past. They will of course have to deal with whether what the constituents do want to get passed is more important than what they do not want to get passed at some point.

So fine write into the platform elect us and we won't show up to session and the state government won't function and we will keep doing this until we get a majority of seats. See how many votes that gets them.

Make themselves Sinn Fein.

[American Legionaries]

How fucking undemocratic of you. Do something San Lumen doesn't like and you lose your representative.

Have whatever beliefs you want but if you refuse to show up for and do the job you were hired for you are fired. I don't see why this is so controversial. This tactic wouldn't fly with any of us so why should they get to do it?

I do my job every day, and it flies just fine.

[Neutraligon]

How fucking undemocratic of you. Do something San Lumen doesn't like and you lose your representative.

Have whatever beliefs you want but if you refuse to show up for and do the job you were hired for you are fired. I don't see why this is so controversial. This tactic wouldn't fly with any of us so why should they get to do it?

So then all strikers should be fired. Because they are not being fired. The people hiring them are their constituents, and so long as they continue to be elected that means the constituents want them to continue with what they are doing, ie their job. That tactic does fly with a great many of us, namely when strikes happen. That tactic also flies when our boss tells us not to show up for whatever reason.

[Ors Might]

How fucking undemocratic of you. Do something San Lumen doesn't like and you lose your representative.

Have whatever beliefs you want but if you refuse to show up for and do the job you were hired for you are fired. I don't see why this is so controversial. This tactic wouldn't fly with any of us so why should they get to do it?

As other posters have mentioned to you repeatedly, there are multiple situations in which someone will refuse to do their job and not be fired.

[San Lumen]

Have whatever beliefs you want but if you refuse to show up for and do the job you were hired for you are fired. I don't see why this is so controversial. This tactic wouldn't fly with any of us so why should they get to do it?

I do my job every day, and it flies just fine.

If you suddenly decided to stop showing up for work and refused to do your job you'd be rightfully fired.

[American Legionaries]

I do my job every day, and it flies just fine.

If you suddenly decided to stop showing up for work and refused to do it you'd be rightfully fired.

Not if my boss told me to stay home.

[Incelastan]

If that is what their constituents want then yes. They are doing their job by ensuring that what their constituents do not want passed do not get past. They will of course have to deal with whether what the constituents do want to get passed is more important than what they do not want to get passed at some point.

So fine write into the platform elect us and we won't show up to session and the state government won't function and we will keep doing this until we get a majority of seats. See how many votes that gets them.

Make themselves Sinn Fein.

The Republican Party is an effectively an insurgency movement these days, anyway. So the parallel to Sinn Fein frankly fits the bill. They have a similar goal: overthrow the existing system.

[Neutraligon]

If that is what their constituents want then yes. They are doing their job by ensuring that what their constituents do not want passed do not get past. They will of course have to deal with whether what the constituents do want to get passed is more important than what they do not want to get passed at some point.

So fine write into the platform elect us and we won't show up to session and the state government won't function and we will keep doing this until we get a majority of seats. See how many votes that gets them.

Make themselves Sinn Fein.

And once again you are insisting that Republicans do something you yourself would not due because it is stupid marketing. In Oregon the dems already have the majority of seats, hence why the only option for these individuals is to prevent a quorum.

[Necroghastia]

How fucking undemocratic of you. Do something San Lumen doesn't like and you lose your representative.

Have whatever beliefs you want but if you refuse to show up for and do the job you were hired for you are fired. I don't see why this is so controversial. This tactic wouldn't fly with any of us so why should they get to do it?

The job they were hired for is to advance the interests of their constituents. If you cannot advance said interests in the legislature, but you can by grabbing some Taco Bell with the homies, then it's time to live más, baby.

[San Lumen]

If you suddenly decided to stop showing up for work and refused to do it you'd be rightfully fired.

Not if my boss told me to stay home.

That isn't the same thing and you know it.

[Ors Might]

Not if my boss told me to stay home.

That isn't the same thing and you know it.

It literally is.

[American Legionaries]

Not if my boss told me to stay home.

That isn't the same thing and you know it.

How can I know what stupid lies you write when they're stupid and lies?

[San Lumen]

So fine write into the platform elect us and we won't show up to session and the state government won't function and we will keep doing this until we get a majority of seats. See how many votes that gets them.

Make themselves Sinn Fein.

And once again you are insisting that Republicans do something you yourself would not due because it is stupid marketing. In Oregon the dems already have the majority of seats, hence why the only option for these individuals is to prevent a quorum.

No I would not. I'd show up to session and chastise my colleagues. Repeal the quorum law. I think Oregon is one of the only states that has this rule.

[Neutraligon]

That isn't the same thing and you know it.

It literally is.

We will find out next election if the boss wants them to be fired. What is the phrase Lumen uses. Ah yes term limits exist it is called elections. In this case firing exists, it is called elections.

[San Lumen]

That isn't the same thing and you know it.

It literally is.

So you decided to stop showing up to your job or refused to do any work during your scheduled hours you wouldn't be fired? What fantasy world do you live in?