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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

Yes
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No
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 12, 2023 10:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
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That would be better than would be your desire which is to publicly lynch Penny as a scapegoat for your own political motivations. Admiral Satie was villain in that episode, not the hero

Ironically, the police are the only one handling the situation correctly.

Expressing an opinion about the conduct of the police? Uh oh, that sounds awfully close to a political implication.


Actually it was a response to your karenesque hysterical bleathing, as if New Yorkers should have huddled in fear because the Police didn't make an arrest right away. "there's a killer lose on the streets of New York, and the police are in on it, run for your lives!"
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Fri May 12, 2023 10:32 am

Elwher wrote:
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:Doesn't matter. It's still worshipping the same state that Reagan condemned. To see Reagan supporters switch from Reagan to Trump tells us that it's conservatism, not communism, that belongs on the ash heap of history.


So anyone who says nice things about Germany now is worshipping the same state that Rosevelt condemned? A major change in government tends, in my opinion, to be a hard reset.

Difference is, modern Germany condemns Nazism far more unequivocally than Putin condemns the Soviet Union (to the extent he does at all; Google search suggests nothing to that effect).

It's a drastic shift in tone on the Soviet Union from the right, suggesting all their 80s virtue signaling about standing strong against the Soviet government was just that; virtue signaling.


Ifreann wrote:Like, you don't know where you read or heard this thing about men being potential rapists.

I'm pretty sure I've seen it on other forums, as well as chat rooms and some YouTube comments sections, often unrefuted. It's possible the sentiment is less popular than I thought and that I'm once again only noticing the sentiments I disagree with, but a reasonable person could have come to the conclusion that it is popular based on the general lack of rebuttals the statement tended to get.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 12, 2023 10:34 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Expressing an opinion about the conduct of the police? Uh oh, that sounds awfully close to a political implication.


Actually it was a response to your karenesque hysterical bleathing, as if New Yorkers should have huddled in fear because the Police didn't make an arrest right away. "there's a killer lose on the streets of New York, and the police are in on it, run for your lives!"

But you're ascribing political implications to this event. The fact that you're doing it because you're mad at me is no excuse.

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 12, 2023 10:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Actually it was a response to your karenesque hysterical bleathing, as if New Yorkers should have huddled in fear because the Police didn't make an arrest right away. "there's a killer lose on the streets of New York, and the police are in on it, run for your lives!"

But you're ascribing political implications to this event. The fact that you're doing it because you're mad at me is no excuse.


Ah, DORVA, classic.

And I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Fri May 12, 2023 10:39 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But you're ascribing political implications to this event. The fact that you're doing it because you're mad at me is no excuse.


Ah, DORVA, classic.

And I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

..."DORVA"?
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 12, 2023 10:40 am

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Ah, DORVA, classic.

And I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.

..."DORVA"?


Trumpism 101

Deny
Object
Reverse Victim and Attacker
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 12, 2023 10:41 am

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:I'm pretty sure I've seen it on other forums, as well as chat rooms and some YouTube comments sections, often unrefuted. It's possible the sentiment is less popular than I thought and that I'm once again only noticing the sentiments I disagree with, but a reasonable person could have come to the conclusion that it is popular based on the general lack of rebuttals the statement tended to get.


My brother in Christ are you really basing your views on things off of YouTube comments
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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Fri May 12, 2023 10:43 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:I'm pretty sure I've seen it on other forums, as well as chat rooms and some YouTube comments sections, often unrefuted. It's possible the sentiment is less popular than I thought and that I'm once again only noticing the sentiments I disagree with, but a reasonable person could have come to the conclusion that it is popular based on the general lack of rebuttals the statement tended to get.


My brother in Christ are you really basing your views on things off of YouTube comments

Counterintuitive as it may be, YouTube commenters are real people, and they're out there helping shape society through their votes at the ballot box and their purchasing decisions.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 12, 2023 10:44 am

Tarsonis wrote:
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:..."DORVA"?


Trumpism 101

Deny
Object
Reverse Victim and Attacker


My bad it's DARVO

Deny
Attack
Reverse Victim and Offender
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby American Legionaries » Fri May 12, 2023 10:45 am

GuessTheAltAccount wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
My brother in Christ are you really basing your views on things off of YouTube comments

Counterintuitive as it may be, YouTube commenters are real people, and they're out there helping shape society through their votes at the ballot box and their purchasing decisions.


I've seen no evidence that this is true...

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Postby GuessTheAltAccount » Fri May 12, 2023 10:45 am

American Legionaries wrote:
GuessTheAltAccount wrote:Counterintuitive as it may be, YouTube commenters are real people, and they're out there helping shape society through their votes at the ballot box and their purchasing decisions.


I've seen no evidence that this is true...

Why wouldn't it be?
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Postby Urkennalaid » Fri May 12, 2023 10:46 am

Tarsonis wrote:
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I mean, Rittenhouse's situation is more disputed by republicans because of how overall chaotic the surrounding scene was, where we have footage of him just choking Neely out. Now republicans are trying to pull up every little small thing Neely has done, as if being arrested 44 times suddenly means you should be executed on a subway for shouting. Also, being homeless is illegal in America anyways so...


You're only proving my point. You've already ascribed political implications the incident. It's not an altercation that resulted in someone's death, no it's the establishment stepping on the neck of the homeless and executing a man in broad daylight. And that's going to be your narrative going forward meanwhile, "hero vet protecting innocent passengers from violent man, shanghaied in a kangaroo court by the liberal intelligencia" will be the narrative coming from the right.


The drumhead beckons.


It is political. I feel for Neely, it's fucking heartbreaking, it doesn't mean the Right's response to how this happened isn't political in nature. Do you think that Emmett Till wasn't political in any aspect? You can acknowledge that a human being was murdered while also acknowledging people defending a modern day lynching. Also, Penny's a veteran and I already have a huge hatred of the US military so what I want happen to a ghoul like Penny for what he's done isn't something I can say here. But good thing he's getting tried and thrown in prison.
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Fri May 12, 2023 10:47 am

The next fort renaming will be Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty on June 2.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 12, 2023 10:50 am

Urkennalaid wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You're only proving my point. You've already ascribed political implications the incident. It's not an altercation that resulted in someone's death, no it's the establishment stepping on the neck of the homeless and executing a man in broad daylight. And that's going to be your narrative going forward meanwhile, "hero vet protecting innocent passengers from violent man, shanghaied in a kangaroo court by the liberal intelligencia" will be the narrative coming from the right.


The drumhead beckons.


It is political. I feel for Neely, it's fucking heartbreaking, it doesn't mean the Right's response to how this happened isn't political in nature. Do you think that Emmett Till wasn't political in any aspect? You can acknowledge that a human being was murdered while also acknowledging people defending a modern day lynching. Also, Penny's a veteran and I already have a huge hatred of the US military so what I want happen to a ghoul like Penny for what he's done isn't something I can say here. But good thing he's getting tried and thrown in prison.


Depending on witness testimony (and several of them have seemingly spoken in favor of Penny already to the press) he very plausibly could walk away from this case. It is absolutely a mistake to just assume he's going to prison.
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri May 12, 2023 10:52 am

Urkennalaid wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You're only proving my point. You've already ascribed political implications the incident. It's not an altercation that resulted in someone's death, no it's the establishment stepping on the neck of the homeless and executing a man in broad daylight. And that's going to be your narrative going forward meanwhile, "hero vet protecting innocent passengers from violent man, shanghaied in a kangaroo court by the liberal intelligencia" will be the narrative coming from the right.


The drumhead beckons.


It is political. I feel for Neely, it's fucking heartbreaking, it doesn't mean the Right's response to how this happened isn't political in nature. Do you think that Emmett Till wasn't political in any aspect? You can acknowledge that a human being was murdered while also acknowledging people defending a modern day lynching. Also, Penny's a veteran and I already have a huge hatred of the US military so what I want happen to a ghoul like Penny for what he's done isn't something I can say here. But good thing he's getting tried and thrown in prison.


It's not political, but also my politics dictate I wish horrible things on the man for a job he used to have.

Oh boy, here we go...
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Postby Ifreann » Fri May 12, 2023 10:57 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Trumpism 101

Deny
Object
Reverse Victim and Attacker


My bad it's DARVO

Deny
Attack
Reverse Victim and Offender

So I am the offender here and you are my victim, is that what you're saying? And what exactly is the offence I have committed against you?

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 12, 2023 11:21 am

Ifreann wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
My bad it's DARVO

Deny
Attack
Reverse Victim and Offender

So I am the offender here and you are my victim, is that what you're saying? And what exactly is the offence I have committed against you?


Fucking lol
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 12, 2023 11:26 am

Urkennalaid wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You're only proving my point. You've already ascribed political implications the incident. It's not an altercation that resulted in someone's death, no it's the establishment stepping on the neck of the homeless and executing a man in broad daylight. And that's going to be your narrative going forward meanwhile, "hero vet protecting innocent passengers from violent man, shanghaied in a kangaroo court by the liberal intelligencia" will be the narrative coming from the right.


The drumhead beckons.


It is political. I feel for Neely, it's fucking heartbreaking, it doesn't mean the Right's response to how this happened isn't political in nature. Do you think that Emmett Till wasn't political in any aspect? You can acknowledge that a human being was murdered while also acknowledging people defending a modern day lynching. Also, Penny's a veteran and I already have a huge hatred of the US military so what I want happen to a ghoul like Penny for what he's done isn't something I can say here. But good thing he's getting tried and thrown in prison.


Jesus Christ do you even hear yourself?
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Urkennalaid » Fri May 12, 2023 11:51 am

American Legionaries wrote:
It's not political, but also my politics dictate I wish horrible things on the man for a job he used to have.

Oh boy, here we go...


I literally just said its political. A homeless mentally ill black man getting chocked to death by a white veteran who Republicans are defending and excusing the actions of cause of Neely's record and status as a homeless man IS A POLITICAL SUBJECT.

It's a political thing because of American history. People really forget that relative to human bistory, segregation and the KKK wasn't that long ago and were pretty popular amongst white Americans. Also the only good vet is one who's regretted their service and spend their time advocating for leftist causes. The other good veteran...well...I don't need to say it, nor am I allowed to say it here. But yes, I do not like Penny, y'know...for killing an innocent homeless black man.
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Postby Urkennalaid » Fri May 12, 2023 11:52 am

Tarsonis wrote:]

Jesus Christ do you even hear yourself?


You didn't answer my question, by this logic, do you think what happened to Emmet Till is apolitical?
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 12, 2023 11:54 am

Urkennalaid wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:]

Jesus Christ do you even hear yourself?


You didn't answer my question, by this logic, do you think what happened to Emmet Till is apolitical?


My guy, you're the lynch mob here
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Urkennalaid » Fri May 12, 2023 11:56 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Urkennalaid wrote:
You didn't answer my question, by this logic, do you think what happened to Emmet Till is apolitical?


My guy, you're the lynch mob here


So wait, you consider a homeless mentally ill black man getting chocked to death by a white guy, and a white community beating an innocent young black child to death in horrific ways the same as asking for accountability against the man responsible for Neely's death? Interesting. Okay.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 12, 2023 11:58 am

Urkennalaid wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
My guy, you're the lynch mob here


So wait, you consider a homeless mentally ill black man getting chocked to death by a white guy, and a white community beating an innocent young black child to death in horrific ways the same as asking for accountability against the man responsible for Neely's death? Interesting. Okay.


What more accountability do you want, exactly? There was an investigation, they decided on charges, they've been filed. He will now either be convicted or walk.
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Postby American Legionaries » Fri May 12, 2023 12:00 pm

Urkennalaid wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
It's not political, but also my politics dictate I wish horrible things on the man for a job he used to have.

Oh boy, here we go...


I literally just said its political. A homeless mentally ill black man getting chocked to death by a white veteran who Republicans are defending and excusing the actions of cause of Neely's record and status as a homeless man IS A POLITICAL SUBJECT.

It's a political thing because of American history. People really forget that relative to human bistory, segregation and the KKK wasn't that long ago and were pretty popular amongst white Americans. Also the only good vet is one who's regretted their service and spend their time advocating for leftist causes. The other good veteran...well...I don't need to say it, nor am I allowed to say it here. But yes, I do not like Penny, y'know...for killing an innocent homeless black man.


Nobody is saying that the current situation isn't similar to the situation that befell poor Mr. Till. Only that you're a proper facsimile to the ones cranking little Emmett into the tree.

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri May 12, 2023 12:00 pm

Urkennalaid wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
My guy, you're the lynch mob here


So wait, you consider a homeless mentally ill black man getting chocked to death by a white guy, and a white community beating an innocent young black child to death in horrific ways the same as asking for accountability against the man responsible for Neely's death? Interesting. Okay.


You don't want accountability, you want him hurt because you hate him. You openly admitted it.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Galatians 6:7 " Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
1 Corinthians 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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