American Politics: Indictments Galore

[Caurus]

I just can't understand how someone so antithetical to the values nominally espoused by modern American conservatism could hold so much sway. I mean, on a logical level, sure, I understand how, demagoguery and all that, and I even said those values are nominal, but the fact that he enjoys a near messianic level of regard is so utterly mind boggling at the same time.

Because personal actions do not policy make.

I mean in that there is a view that he can do no wrong rather than a pragmatic one. I've seen it particularly in evangelical circles, placing Trump alongside Jesus. I can understand a pragmatic "he is personally terrible, but I agree with his policies" perspective, but to say that he is without blemish and to even compare his investigations to the Passion is incomprehensible to me.

[Umeria]

No he's wrong. Any prominent Democrat with a last name starting with W can win. I'm talking Walz, Whitmer, Warnock, Williamson

The first three would be cool (for a Democrat) but I’m not sure about Williamson.

She's the best of them all

[Incelastan]

Those are the values held by modern-day conservatives. The Republican Party has wholeheartedly embraced fascism.

Or just doesn’t care if fascists win as long as it helps their bottom line. When will the GOP stop pretending to be the party of Christian morality and confess to being murderous sycophants that want nothing but the harm of the Other for their own personal gain?

It's a classic "coalition of the willing" composed of fascists, neo-Nazis, Confederate revanchists, Trumpists, hypocritical libertarians, Tea Partiers, and Christian nationalists. A who's who of the scariest people on the right, who worry me even more than the more insane identity politics folks of the neoliberal quasi-left. The latter don't have much of a popular base. The former do. As for me, I'd love to see a return of the real, economically populist left, but that seems to be neutralized by infighting and manipulation.

[Incelastan]

The first three would be cool (for a Democrat) but I’m not sure about Williamson.

She's the best of them all

I had to block her on Twitter, so I'm not too sure, but maybe she'll prove me wrong.

[Pizza Friday Forever91]

The first three would be cool (for a Democrat) but I’m not sure about Williamson.

Lol. Warnock evicted a tenant from his property for 28 dollars in overdue rent. Yet preaches about helping the disadvantaged.

sure buddy.

[The Black Forrest]

I'm not even sure if that will be enough: the GOP Base is hellbent on renominating him.

Debt I think will be resolved, but the economy is another issue. The economy is in "good" shape, but inflation has been the killer here. And Biden's age - Americans think he's too old. So, it's going to be either they support the criminal who will further tear apart America by going after his perceived enemies or the old man that isn't mentally as sharp may die within the next 5 years, but would provide stability.

Honestly, I'm not sure who can win at this point. Biden seems to be running because he's convinced no Democrat, including his VP, can win. He's probably not wrong.

If Trump wins (the nomination), Biden wins.

If Desantis wins, Biden loses.

If GOP wants to pull a victory Desantis must be nominated.

DeSantis wins? You think the woke crap and the demagoguery over lgbt can carry him?

[El Lazaro]

The first three would be cool (for a Democrat) but I’m not sure about Williamson.

She's the best of them all

I’d say she’s the Worst, but I don’t want to inadvertently boost Orb Lady’s chances.

[American Legionaries]

Because personal actions do not policy make.

I mean in that there is a view that he can do no wrong rather than a pragmatic one. I've seen it particularly in evangelical circles, placing Trump alongside Jesus. I can understand a pragmatic "he is personally terrible, but I agree with his policies" perspective, but to say that he is without blemish and to even compare his investigations to the Passion is incomprehensible to me.

Okay, but I don't believe any significant number of people actually believe this.

[Caurus]

Because personal actions do not policy make.

Because President Trump is a Great American President and Patriot of the USA, just ask me and ask us?

Alright, help me understand it then. Do you support Trump because of his policies or because of a genuine belief that he is, himself, a morally righteous and patriotic man?

[Ryemarch]

I know you guys are probably tired of my doom and gloom outlook

When the party that openly embraces fascists is the same one with some constituents convinced that their Chosen One is the literal second coming of Christ, it's not doom and gloom but just... having eyes. Especially since, as you said:

all of this falls right in line with how many other countries saw their democracies die.

[Incelastan]

I'd be interested to see Lawrence Lessig or Dennis Kucinich, but neither of them stands a chance. If he was younger, maybe Mike Gravel.

[Caurus]

I mean in that there is a view that he can do no wrong rather than a pragmatic one. I've seen it particularly in evangelical circles, placing Trump alongside Jesus. I can understand a pragmatic "he is personally terrible, but I agree with his policies" perspective, but to say that he is without blemish and to even compare his investigations to the Passion is incomprehensible to me.

Okay, but I don't believe any significant number of people actually believe this.

I certainly hope they don't, at the very least. I just find it baffling that, unlike the 2020 "vote blue no matter who" mindset of the Democratic Party, from my own observations, there is a "Trump or nothing" mentality among a non-insignificant number of Republicans.

[Alkmaaria]

Lol. Warnock evicted a tenant from his property for 28 dollars in overdue rent. Yet preaches about helping the disadvantaged.

sure buddy.

Sorry. *Tried to evict*

[Shrillland]

Another state and another measure joins the Plaza, and this time it's pretty major.

Ohio: Ohio will be voting on August 8 on an amendment that would raise the threshold for approving constitutional amendments from a simple majority to a 60% majority.

Amending a Constitution is a more major step than passing laws, so I see no reason why a larger majority should not be required. If 40% of the voters are against an amendment, perhaps it is not a good idea.

It's not the law as the motives behind it that I'm having trouble with myself, similar to Desantis vs. Disney. I've no objection to kicking any large company down a few notches, but if it's being done because you're actively trying to be cruel that gives me pause. In the same way, a 60% threshold isn't a bad idea in the slightest(we have it in Illinois), but the motives behind it seem to be less for ensuring consensus for an amendment and more for setting the voter by the ears. Something very telling about this measure is that most previous governors from both major parties are opposed to it.

[Incelastan]

I know you guys are probably tired of my doom and gloom outlook

When the party that openly embraces fascists is the same one with some constituents convinced that their Chosen One is the literal second coming of Christ, it's not doom and gloom but just... having eyes. Especially since, as you said:

all of this falls right in line with how many other countries saw their democracies die.

Right now, the MAGAs give me real "Taiping Rebellion" vibes, you know.

[American Legionaries]

I'm not even sure if that will be enough: the GOP Base is hellbent on renominating him.

Debt I think will be resolved, but the economy is another issue. The economy is in "good" shape, but inflation has been the killer here. And Biden's age - Americans think he's too old. So, it's going to be either they support the criminal who will further tear apart America by going after his perceived enemies or the old man that isn't mentally as sharp may die within the next 5 years, but would provide stability.

Honestly, I'm not sure who can win at this point. Biden seems to be running because he's convinced no Democrat, including his VP, can win. He's probably not wrong.

I've been saying it on here for years, I was more or less praying(and I'm not even religious) that Biden wouldn't go full Hindenburg because him doing so meant that the Democrats had no one else that could keep the country alive. That he has been more or less forced to do so is a troubling sign.

And to everyone else reading, I know you guys are probably tired of my doom and gloom outlook, but I'm a history fanatic, and all of this falls right in line with how many other countries saw their democracies die.

Don't do this, Shrill. Don't give me hope...

[Shrillland]

I'd be interested to see Lawrence Lessig or Dennis Kucinich, but neither of them stands a chance. If he was younger, maybe Mike Gravel.

You mean if he was alive, right? He's been dead for nigh on two years.

[Alkmaaria]

If Trump wins (the nomination), Biden wins.

If Desantis wins, Biden loses.

If GOP wants to pull a victory Desantis must be nominated.

DeSantis wins? You think the woke crap and the demagoguery over lgbt can carry him?

Yep. That's the point of demagoguery.

And he's doing a hell of a job at it.

[Pizza Friday Forever91]

sure buddy.

Sorry. *Tried to evict*

Source: The daily stormer.

[The Black Forrest]

The first three would be cool (for a Democrat) but I’m not sure about Williamson.

Lol. Warnock evicted a tenant from his property for 28 dollars in overdue rent. Yet preaches about helping the disadvantaged.

No need to spread lies. Seriously; you think Hershel is a pillar of integrity?

Two evictions happened. The tenants died. Standard procedure if you wish to re-let the space.

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2022/1 ... e-tenants/

[Incelastan]

At least if Biden wins, he won't have a spot for Trump in his cabinet. Thank God there's no office of Chancellor in the United States.

[The Black Forrest]

DeSantis wins? You think the woke crap and the demagoguery over lgbt can carry him?

Yep. That's the point of demagoguery.

And he's doing a hell of a job at it.

Maybe in Florida and stellar places like Mississippi. The rest of the country?

[Incelastan]

I'd be interested to see Lawrence Lessig or Dennis Kucinich, but neither of them stands a chance. If he was younger, maybe Mike Gravel.

You mean if he was alive, right? He's been dead for nigh on two years.

Which one? Gravel? I wasn't sure if he was dead or alive at this point.

[Alkmaaria]

Sorry. *Tried to evict*

Source: The daily stormer.

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/eviction-notices-sent-apartment-building-becomes-latest-squabble-between-senate-candidates/XHGODK65UVBWJPPCB34W6HEZZ4/

[El Lazaro]

When the party that openly embraces fascists is the same one with some constituents convinced that their Chosen One is the literal second coming of Christ, it's not doom and gloom but just... having eyes. Especially since, as you said:

Right now, the MAGAs give me real "Taiping Rebellion" vibes, you know.

The Taiping Heavenly Kingdom were clearly the good guys, if a little crazy