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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

Yes
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No
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Jellian Federation
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Founded: Apr 11, 2023
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Jellian Federation » Wed May 10, 2023 3:12 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So why should the US continue to memorialise those who committed treason against it?


New signs cost money.


It costs more to continue honoring slaver traitors
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Eahland
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Libertarian Police State

Postby Eahland » Wed May 10, 2023 3:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:Im curious what peoples thoughts are on unopposed candidates in general elections. I always leave it blank and personally I wish no one not even the candidate would vote so they lose and special election is called.

In Mississippi this year several statewide offices will be unopposed and many state legislative districts will be which is honestly pathetic. Get a high school senior to run for all I care.

Yes, we're all aware of your nonsensical beliefs on this.

If I support the candidate, why should I not vote for them just because there isn't a candidate that I don't support on the ballot?

If I don't support them, I'll either leave it blank, or write in someone else, sometimes myself.

My mom is one of the cemetery commissioners in her town, which is an elected position. She's run unopposed each time, because no one else wants the job... they've had trouble at times keeping enough of the seats on the commission filled to make quorum. Should Mom not be allowed to be cemetery commissioner because no one else wants to do it?
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Tarsonis
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 10, 2023 3:30 pm

Jellian Federation wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
New signs cost money.


It costs more to continue honoring slaver traitors


It costs more to keep bringing dead topics from 10 pages ago up to the forefront so you can score cheap points
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 10, 2023 3:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:Im curious what peoples thoughts are on unopposed candidates in general elections. I always leave it blank and personally I wish no one not even the candidate would vote so they lose and special election is called.

In Mississippi this year several statewide offices will be unopposed and many state legislative districts will be which is honestly pathetic. Get a high school senior to run for all I care.


Either they like the one person or nobody else cares to run. Better the job has a person……
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 10, 2023 3:42 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Jellian Federation wrote:
It costs more to continue honoring slaver traitors


It costs more to keep bringing dead topics from 10 pages ago up to the forefront so you can score cheap points


Indeed. Especially when the comment was handled
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 10, 2023 3:45 pm

Eahland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im curious what peoples thoughts are on unopposed candidates in general elections. I always leave it blank and personally I wish no one not even the candidate would vote so they lose and special election is called.

In Mississippi this year several statewide offices will be unopposed and many state legislative districts will be which is honestly pathetic. Get a high school senior to run for all I care.

Yes, we're all aware of your nonsensical beliefs on this.

If I support the candidate, why should I not vote for them just because there isn't a candidate that I don't support on the ballot?

If I don't support them, I'll either leave it blank, or write in someone else, sometimes myself.

My mom is one of the cemetery commissioners in her town, which is an elected position. She's run unopposed each time, because no one else wants the job... they've had trouble at times keeping enough of the seats on the commission filled to make quorum. Should Mom not be allowed to be cemetery commissioner because no one else wants to do it?


What’s nonsensical about it? They will win even if only the candidate votes. It would send a message if only one vote was cast.

I never said she shouldn’t be able to run.

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Jellian Federation
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Founded: Apr 11, 2023
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Jellian Federation » Wed May 10, 2023 3:45 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Jellian Federation wrote:
It costs more to continue honoring slaver traitors


It costs more to keep bringing dead topics from 10 pages ago up to the forefront so you can score cheap points


There are no points.
I didn’t want to skip over some of the conversation.

The Black Forrest wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
It costs more to keep bringing dead topics from 10 pages ago up to the forefront so you can score cheap points


Indeed. Especially when the comment was handled


So one response and nobody else can respond?



I thought part of this place was that we each contribute our two cents.
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Tarsonis
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 10, 2023 3:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Eahland wrote:Yes, we're all aware of your nonsensical beliefs on this.

If I support the candidate, why should I not vote for them just because there isn't a candidate that I don't support on the ballot?

If I don't support them, I'll either leave it blank, or write in someone else, sometimes myself.

My mom is one of the cemetery commissioners in her town, which is an elected position. She's run unopposed each time, because no one else wants the job... they've had trouble at times keeping enough of the seats on the commission filled to make quorum. Should Mom not be allowed to be cemetery commissioner because no one else wants to do it?


What’s nonsensical about it? They will win even if only the candidate votes. It would send a message if only one vote was cast.

I never said she shouldn’t be able to run.


If nobody can be bothered to challenge them in the regular election, what makes you think a worthwhile opponent will step up in a special election?
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Eahland
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Libertarian Police State

Postby Eahland » Wed May 10, 2023 4:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Eahland wrote:Yes, we're all aware of your nonsensical beliefs on this.

If I support the candidate, why should I not vote for them just because there isn't a candidate that I don't support on the ballot?

If I don't support them, I'll either leave it blank, or write in someone else, sometimes myself.

My mom is one of the cemetery commissioners in her town, which is an elected position. She's run unopposed each time, because no one else wants the job... they've had trouble at times keeping enough of the seats on the commission filled to make quorum. Should Mom not be allowed to be cemetery commissioner because no one else wants to do it?


What’s nonsensical about it? They will win even if only the candidate votes. It would send a message if only one vote was cast.

I never said she shouldn’t be able to run.

No, you said that no one should vote for her, not even her, and so she should lose and they should have to do the election again. What rational purpose does that serve? Why do you think another candidate is magically going to appear the second time who wasn't willing to run the first time? Why should the town not have a functioning cemetery commission because only one person is willing to do the job?

And, again, if I support the candidate who's on the ballot, why should I not vote for them?

I've voted for Bernie Sanders every time he's run since I turned 18 in 1992. He's won all of those races handily. I don't even remember who ran against him in most of those races. What difference does it make if the other guy wasn't even on the ballot? Why should I not vote for Bernie if there were not some other guy that I wouldn't vote for anyway on the ballot?
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Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Wed May 10, 2023 4:29 pm

The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed May 10, 2023 4:38 pm

Zurkerx wrote:The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.

Because he's trying to out-MAGA the MAGA king.
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Postby Urine Town » Wed May 10, 2023 4:46 pm

Zurkerx wrote:The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.


casually adds this to my evidence documentation for why Republicans are slowly plotting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with a Christofascistic dictatorship

God I hope this doesn’t amount to more than an attempt at getting the Democrats angry because hahaha owning libs :rofl:

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Postby Shrillland » Wed May 10, 2023 4:51 pm

Urine Town wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.


casually adds this to my evidence documentation for why Republicans are slowly plotting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with a Christofascistic dictatorship

God I hope this doesn’t amount to more than an attempt at getting the Democrats angry because hahaha owning libs :rofl:


For a lot of them, that's pretty much it.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Wed May 10, 2023 4:59 pm

Jellian Federation wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
New signs cost money.


It costs more to continue honoring slaver traitors

It costs even more to value a couple bucks over the liberation of the oppressed.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed May 10, 2023 5:00 pm

Zurkerx wrote:The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.


The solution to the progressive-leaning younger generations, bar them from voting. Because they totally won't remember who disenfranchised them when they finally do get allowed into the ballot box.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Wed May 10, 2023 5:02 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.


The solution to the progressive-leaning younger generations, bar them from voting. Because they totally won't remember who disenfranchised them when they finally do get allowed into the ballot box.

The idea being that other measures will be passed to ensure we won't be able to access the ballot box later. Even when we do come of age.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Ryemarch » Wed May 10, 2023 5:03 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.

Because he's trying to out-MAGA the MAGA king.

A second-generation Indian-American reaching for the helm of the party stuffed with white supremacists, eh?

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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Wed May 10, 2023 5:04 pm

Urine Town wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.


casually adds this to my evidence documentation for why Republicans are slowly plotting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with a Christofascistic dictatorship

God I hope this doesn’t amount to more than an attempt at getting the Democrats angry because hahaha owning libs :rofl:

I'm often semi-surprised at how our Nazi cartoon villain right-wing (always the damn conservatives, yep) keeps creating these plans to send the country back to when the 13th amendment didn't exist and the KKK reigned supreme.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Bombadil » Wed May 10, 2023 5:04 pm

CNN Town Hall with Trump is starting, because media cannot resist their Trump fix for ratings.
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Postby Port Caverton » Wed May 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Urine Town wrote:
casually adds this to my evidence documentation for why Republicans are slowly plotting to overthrow our democracy and replace it with a Christofascistic dictatorship

God I hope this doesn’t amount to more than an attempt at getting the Democrats angry because hahaha owning libs :rofl:

I'm often semi-surprised at how our Nazi cartoon villain right-wing (always the damn conservatives, yep) keeps creating these plans to send the country back to when the 13th amendment didn't exist and the KKK reigned supreme.

The Republicans are not Nazis. That's like saying that the Democrats are the CCP.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed May 10, 2023 5:07 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:I'm often semi-surprised at how our Nazi cartoon villain right-wing (always the damn conservatives, yep) keeps creating these plans to send the country back to when the 13th amendment didn't exist and the KKK reigned supreme.

The Republicans are not Nazis. That's like saying that the Democrats are the CCP.


Some of them are very much acting like it.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Wed May 10, 2023 5:09 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:The 26th Amendment helped lower the voting age from 21 to 18. There have been other proposals to lower it, but for one 2024 GOP Candidate who is as relevant as that dead horse in California, Vivek Ramaswamy wants to raise the age - to 25, with the only exceptions being for citizens 18 or older that are enrolled in the military, work as a first-responder or pass the same civics test given to immigrants seeking American citizenship.

Vivek is 37, btw. The only way this would even come to fruition is if an Amendment was passed. Given literally almost no one supports this, it's rather interesting he would come out publicly in support of such an asinine idea.


The solution to the progressive-leaning younger generations, bar them from voting. Because they totally won't remember who disenfranchised them when they finally do get allowed into the ballot box.

Yep. If we can't beat 'em, disenfranchise them.
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Necroghastia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Necroghastia » Wed May 10, 2023 5:11 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:I'm often semi-surprised at how our Nazi cartoon villain right-wing (always the damn conservatives, yep) keeps creating these plans to send the country back to when the 13th amendment didn't exist and the KKK reigned supreme.

The Republicans are not Nazis. That's like saying that the Democrats are the CCP.

Well, they're also not cartoons, but I don't see you objecting to that part.
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Port Caverton
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Wed May 10, 2023 5:12 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:The Republicans are not Nazis. That's like saying that the Democrats are the CCP.

Well, they're also not cartoons, but I don't see you objecting to that part.

Eh. They're doing dumb things daily like cartoon characters.
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Postby Bombadil » Wed May 10, 2023 5:18 pm

First answer from Trump..

“I think that when you look at that result, and when you look at what happened during that election, unless you’re a very stupid person, you see what happens a lot of people in this audience and maybe a couple of people understand what happened was a rigged election,”

Collins pressed him to acknowledge his 2020 election loss. Trump demurred.
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