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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

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Postby Galloism » Sat May 06, 2023 12:07 pm

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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 06, 2023 12:08 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:He didn't fight hard enough. Singapore managed to practically eradicate its drug problem, but the US government is more interested in being nice to criminals.

if he didnt fight hard enough then obviously he did something wrong, no?

Nixon did nothing legally or ethically wrong. He made a few regrettable policy decisions(such as ending the gold standard and founding the EPA) and mismanaged some others.
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Postby The Astral Mandate » Sat May 06, 2023 12:13 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:if he didnt fight hard enough then obviously he did something wrong, no?

Nixon did nothing legally or ethically wrong. He made a few regrettable policy decisions(such as ending the gold standard and founding the EPA) and mismanaged some others.

What's wrong with the EPA?
Explain without using goofy conspiracy theories please :)
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 06, 2023 12:13 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:if he didnt fight hard enough then obviously he did something wrong, no?

Nixon did nothing legally or ethically wrong. He made a few regrettable policy decisions(such as ending the gold standard and founding the EPA) and mismanaged some others.


What do you have against the EPA?

Are you seriously suggesting Watergate wasn't a criminal act?

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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 06, 2023 12:14 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Communists should have framed him up harder, and in public.

Communists should all have been relocated to corrective labor in the tundra in Alaska, if only Truman and Macarthur could have worked together.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat May 06, 2023 12:42 pm

The Astral Mandate wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Nixon did nothing legally or ethically wrong. He made a few regrettable policy decisions(such as ending the gold standard and founding the EPA) and mismanaged some others.

What's wrong with the EPA?
Explain without using goofy conspiracy theories please :)


Probably something to do with it being a thing that stops corporations doing whatever they want.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sat May 06, 2023 12:55 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Astral Mandate wrote:What's wrong with the EPA?
Explain without using goofy conspiracy theories please :)


Probably something to do with it being a thing that stops corporations doing whatever they want.

Here’s a quick rundown of Dio:
As you can probably tell, Dio is a very conservative monarchist. However, it wasn't always that way.
He started off a TEA partier. Then, he became a straight up libertarian. After he found religion, he backpedaled a little and became a social conservative, although his views on economics didn't start to moderate until later. When he found monarchism, he then began to moderate his economic views, gradually moving until he arrived at distributism.
Dio believes in the divine right of kings, and thinks you should too. Political movements he identifies with, aside from the distributist movement, are the LinkLegitimist movement and LinkJacobitism. He also agrees, to a large extent, with Carlism. Dio favors a Catholic monarchy, which should be absolute, with checks coming from the Catholic church, guilds, and maybe from a landowning nobility. He believes that the majority of the population should de-urbanize to inhabit small towns, and favors the keeping of traditions. As a good transitional system, he supports something similar to Francoism.
Economically, Dio favors guild-based distributism, and believes that the role of government in the economic sphere, once it ensures the population can eat and otherwise survive, is to lay the groundwork for a transition(or to aid in it), and his political slogan is "distributism for our grandchildren". One of the main ways to do this is to 1) create a strong middle class and 2) encourage entrepreneurism.
Socially, Dio favors Catholic social teaching. He opposes in-vitro fertilization, abortion, contraception, divorce, the death penalty, gay "marriage", and secularism. He believes that a proper education is one that includes teaching of how to pray and other need to know information for Catholics.

Pro: Catholic church, marriage before sex, science, distributism, papal infallibility, universal healthcare, traditionalism, reaction, paleoconservatism, Texas independence, guilds, protectionism, timocracy, monarchy, aristocracy, theocracy, (reluctantly)US constitution party, isolationism, paleocons, Texas republicans(also reluctantly), covenant marriages, bullfighting, large dogs, guns, property rights, Marian devotions, hunting
Anti: Atheism, progressivism, revolution, birth control or abortion, same sex "marriage", divorce, free trade, universal suffrage, racism, US republicans or democrats(although I may support individual republicans or democrats, I oppose the parties), megacorps, regressive taxation, protestantism, polytheism, neocons, welfare-warfare complex(although not necessarily to all welfare or defense spending), Islam and Judaism, women in the workplace unnecessarily, population control, small dogs, animal rights, utilitarianism, canned hunts, sexual revolution


And yes. He’s bisexual. And refers to himself in the 3rd person. Guess that’s where the 3rd position comes from.

Anyhow, he’s a reactionary. So reactionary, he wants to take us all back to 1400s England.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 06, 2023 1:00 pm

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Probably something to do with it being a thing that stops corporations doing whatever they want.

Here’s a quick rundown of Dio:
As you can probably tell, Dio is a very conservative monarchist. However, it wasn't always that way.
He started off a TEA partier. Then, he became a straight up libertarian. After he found religion, he backpedaled a little and became a social conservative, although his views on economics didn't start to moderate until later. When he found monarchism, he then began to moderate his economic views, gradually moving until he arrived at distributism.
Dio believes in the divine right of kings, and thinks you should too. Political movements he identifies with, aside from the distributist movement, are the LinkLegitimist movement and LinkJacobitism. He also agrees, to a large extent, with Carlism. Dio favors a Catholic monarchy, which should be absolute, with checks coming from the Catholic church, guilds, and maybe from a landowning nobility. He believes that the majority of the population should de-urbanize to inhabit small towns, and favors the keeping of traditions. As a good transitional system, he supports something similar to Francoism.
Economically, Dio favors guild-based distributism, and believes that the role of government in the economic sphere, once it ensures the population can eat and otherwise survive, is to lay the groundwork for a transition(or to aid in it), and his political slogan is "distributism for our grandchildren". One of the main ways to do this is to 1) create a strong middle class and 2) encourage entrepreneurism.
Socially, Dio favors Catholic social teaching. He opposes in-vitro fertilization, abortion, contraception, divorce, the death penalty, gay "marriage", and secularism. He believes that a proper education is one that includes teaching of how to pray and other need to know information for Catholics.

Pro: Catholic church, marriage before sex, science, distributism, papal infallibility, universal healthcare, traditionalism, reaction, paleoconservatism, Texas independence, guilds, protectionism, timocracy, monarchy, aristocracy, theocracy, (reluctantly)US constitution party, isolationism, paleocons, Texas republicans(also reluctantly), covenant marriages, bullfighting, large dogs, guns, property rights, Marian devotions, hunting
Anti: Atheism, progressivism, revolution, birth control or abortion, same sex "marriage", divorce, free trade, universal suffrage, racism, US republicans or democrats(although I may support individual republicans or democrats, I oppose the parties), megacorps, regressive taxation, protestantism, polytheism, neocons, welfare-warfare complex(although not necessarily to all welfare or defense spending), Islam and Judaism, women in the workplace unnecessarily, population control, small dogs, animal rights, utilitarianism, canned hunts, sexual revolution


And yes. He’s bisexual. And refers to himself in the 3rd person. Guess that’s where the 3rd position comes from.

Anyhow, he’s a reactionary. So reactionary, he wants to take us all back to 1400s England.

A reactionary! That's pretty rare in America
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sat May 06, 2023 1:18 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:Here’s a quick rundown of Dio:


And yes. He’s bisexual. And refers to himself in the 3rd person. Guess that’s where the 3rd position comes from.

Anyhow, he’s a reactionary. So reactionary, he wants to take us all back to 1400s England.

A reactionary! That's pretty rare in America

My man, he makes David Duke look like AOC. No-one actively advocates for a return to literally 1400s England with guilds and an absolute catholic monarchy. No-one actively opposes women working other than incels. No-one outright admits to being a xenophobic. And NO-ONE INSULTS SMALL DOGS.

But hey, universal healthcare’s nice. He’s reminding me of like a straw manned as fuck American Legionnaires, ie. Economically left, socially right, just significantly further to the right.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 06, 2023 1:20 pm

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:No-one actively advocates for a return to literally 1400s England with guilds and an absolute catholic monarchy.


Not so sure I'd agree with this claim, I've seen quite a few people argue for both.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 06, 2023 1:20 pm

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:A reactionary! That's pretty rare in America

My man, he makes David Duke look like AOC. No-one actively advocates for a return to literally 1400s England with guilds and an absolute catholic monarchy. No-one actively opposes women working other than incels. No-one outright admits to being a xenophobic. And NO-ONE INSULTS SMALL DOGS.

But hey, universal healthcare’s nice. He’s reminding me of like a straw manned as fuck American Legionnaires, ie. Economically left, socially right, just significantly further to the right.

It could be worse if I'm being honest. He could be a fascist like Saiwana, and I would prefer a monarch to another Hitler.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sat May 06, 2023 1:24 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:My man, he makes David Duke look like AOC. No-one actively advocates for a return to literally 1400s England with guilds and an absolute catholic monarchy. No-one actively opposes women working other than incels. No-one outright admits to being a xenophobic. And NO-ONE INSULTS SMALL DOGS.

But hey, universal healthcare’s nice. He’s reminding me of like a straw manned as fuck American Legionnaires, ie. Economically left, socially right, just significantly further to the right.

It could be worse if I'm being honest. He could be a fascist like Saiwana, and I would prefer a monarch to another Hitler.

Oh for sure. But still. My point stands.

And what fucking business does he think a catholic absolute monarch who supports universal healthcare and literally guild socialism has in an independent Texas
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Postby Pangurstan » Sat May 06, 2023 2:01 pm

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:A reactionary! That's pretty rare in America

My man, he makes David Duke look like AOC. No-one actively advocates for a return to literally 1400s England with guilds and an absolute catholic monarchy. No-one actively opposes women working other than incels. No-one outright admits to being a xenophobic. And NO-ONE INSULTS SMALL DOGS.

But hey, universal healthcare’s nice. He’s reminding me of like a straw manned as fuck American Legionnaires, ie. Economically left, socially right, just significantly further to the right.

Absolute monarchists are 1000x better than white supremacists
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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Sat May 06, 2023 2:53 pm

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:A reactionary! That's pretty rare in America

My man, he makes David Duke look like AOC. No-one actively advocates for a return to literally 1400s England with guilds and an absolute catholic monarchy. No-one actively opposes women working other than incels. No-one outright admits to being a xenophobic. And NO-ONE INSULTS SMALL DOGS.

But hey, universal healthcare’s nice. He’s reminding me of like a straw manned as fuck American Legionnaires, ie. Economically left, socially right, just significantly further to the right.

this fucking guy has never owned a chihuahua those things will quickly make you hate small dogs
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Sat May 06, 2023 3:01 pm

Pangurstan wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:My man, he makes David Duke look like AOC. No-one actively advocates for a return to literally 1400s England with guilds and an absolute catholic monarchy. No-one actively opposes women working other than incels. No-one outright admits to being a xenophobic. And NO-ONE INSULTS SMALL DOGS.

But hey, universal healthcare’s nice. He’s reminding me of like a straw manned as fuck American Legionnaires, ie. Economically left, socially right, just significantly further to the right.

Absolute monarchists are 1000x better than white supremacists

I think Nick Funetes is both a traditionalist catholic absolute monarchist, while also being a nazi. So you can be both.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sat May 06, 2023 4:50 pm

Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:
Pangurstan wrote:Absolute monarchists are 1000x better than white supremacists

I think Nick Funetes is both a traditionalist catholic absolute monarchist, while also being a nazi. So you can be both.

The catholic monarchist thing is a larp since he supports the Taliban, a muslim republic.
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Sat May 06, 2023 6:00 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:I think Nick Funetes is both a traditionalist catholic absolute monarchist, while also being a nazi. So you can be both.

The catholic monarchist thing is a larp since he supports the Taliban, a muslim republic.

wow, a far-right extremist supports a far-right government? I didn't know that you are telling me that for the first time.

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Postby Kerwa » Sat May 06, 2023 6:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:No-one actively advocates for a return to literally 1400s England with guilds and an absolute catholic monarchy.


Not so sure I'd agree with this claim, I've seen quite a few people argue for both.


It doesn’t go far enough. Things were all frenchified by the 1400s. 900s are where it’s at.

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat May 06, 2023 7:10 pm

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Postby Pangurstan » Sat May 06, 2023 7:25 pm

Kerwa wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not so sure I'd agree with this claim, I've seen quite a few people argue for both.


It doesn’t go far enough. Things were all frenchified by the 1400s. 900s are where it’s at.

As a wise man once said, ‘tis better to be French than German
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat May 06, 2023 7:26 pm


Senator Ted Cruz said his team has been in contact with local officials and that he has also offered "whatever support is needed to do justice and help those in need."

Well, not whatever...
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Postby Arval Va » Sat May 06, 2023 7:35 pm

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Necroghastia wrote:was this before or after they put the chemicals in the water to turn the freaking frogs gay

Before. Floridation was a project mostly implemented by Eisenhower, and paved the way for the insertion of endocrine disruptors into the water to make the population more susceptible to LGBT programming. However, currently deep state regime health initiatives to promote LGBT are focused against anti-parasitics such as tobacco and ivermectin, because these have efficacy against homosexuality-causing parasites.

1) Fluoride in US water is 0.7 ppm. At those levels, it has zero effect on the endocrine system: [1]. All allegations regarding its effects on the endocrine system (most of which are levelled against the thyroid and pineal glands) are thoroughly debunked, and furthermore, neither of these glands are associated with sexual or gender orientation. The pineal gland controls your sleep cycle, and the effects of hypothyroidism (low thyroid activity) on the brain are limited to loss of motor control and lethargy. What are these other endocrine disruptors you suggest are added?

2) Gender or sexual orientation cannot be programmed by poisoning water. The closest anyone has ever gotten is this[2], a study where male ferrets were castrated, given hormones, and given lesions in specific regions of the hypothalamus, causing them to seek sex with other male ferrets. Not only are lesions to the hypothalamus pretty rare (almost only caused by specific types of brain tumours) the ferrets had to be castrated. And, as always, humans are not ferrets, humans are not mice, take the gay ferrets with a grain of salt.

3) Cigarettes or cigars are a very mild antiparasitic. In order to be effective, tobacco has to be made into tobacco extract, which is way more concentrated than any commercially available stuff: [3]. There's some evidence to suggest that the size of or damage to the sexually dimorphic hypothalamus is linked to sexual behaviour, but it hasn't been proven to be able to change sexual orientation in humans. In terms of parasites, the only parasites that affect the hypothalamus are schistosoma (blood flukes) and protozoa. Tobacco isn't just any antiparasitic, it's a anthelmintic, which means it only affects parasitic worms. Those protozoa will survive it without a scratch. Meanwhile, schistosoma's effects on the hypothalamus aren't permanent: [4]. Most hypothalamus damage from infections only manifests in immunocompromised people, and its rare effects on sexual behavior in humans causes infertility, not change in sexuality: [5]. Meanwhile, ivermectin is used to treat parasites of the GI tract, skin, and parasitic flies, not the hypothalamus or any other region of the brain:[6]
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Postby Ryemarch » Sat May 06, 2023 7:37 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Senator Ted Cruz said his team has been in contact with local officials and that he has also offered "whatever support is needed to do justice and help those in need."

Well, not whatever...

Time to fire up them thoughts and prayers!
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A Stormfront forum page about this topic posted a link to video of the dead gunman's corpse that I probably can't or shouldn't relay here. What I can say is that he definitely used an AR-15 style rifle, but I can't verify which specific model. It had a higher than standard capacity magazine as in over 30 rounds.
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