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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

Yes
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No
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Greater Kuomintang China
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Postby Greater Kuomintang China » Sat May 06, 2023 10:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Kuomintang China wrote:
Hey, I would point out that, for all of his paranoia and other faults, Nixon showed some basic human decency toward the end as he resigned. If only he had shown more as President, of course.

Sorry, are we saying it was decent of Nixon to escape accountability for his crimes?


No, that he did the right thing and quit. Should he have stayed and forced the country to go through with the impeachment instead? Now, you can certainly argue that he should have faced criminal charges, but that option was removed by Gerald Ford. You could make a good case that was wrong, but Ford paid for it by losing (frankly, he deserved to lose, anyway).
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Pangurstan
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Postby Pangurstan » Sat May 06, 2023 10:06 am

Greater Kuomintang China wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If Nixon was President today he never would have resigned and would not have been convicted.


Hey, I would point out that, for all of his paranoia and other faults, Nixon showed some basic human decency toward the end as he resigned. If only he had shown more as President, of course.

Nixon was an ok person until he lost in 1960, at which point he became an evil person who wanted to win at all costs. He did not show human decency when he resigned.
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Greater Kuomintang China
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Postby Greater Kuomintang China » Sat May 06, 2023 10:09 am

Pangurstan wrote:
Greater Kuomintang China wrote:
Hey, I would point out that, for all of his paranoia and other faults, Nixon showed some basic human decency toward the end as he resigned. If only he had shown more as President, of course.

Nixon was an ok person until he lost in 1960, at which point he became an evil person who wanted to win at all costs. He did not show human decency when he resigned.


I think that not forcing the country to go through an impeachment trial was at least a step in the right direction, as well as his vague admission that he had given in to hate and that it had destroyed his Presidency.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 06, 2023 10:15 am

Greater Kuomintang China wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sorry, are we saying it was decent of Nixon to escape accountability for his crimes?


No, that he did the right thing and quit. Should he have stayed and forced the country to go through with the impeachment instead? Now, you can certainly argue that he should have faced criminal charges, but that option was removed by Gerald Ford. You could make a good case that was wrong, but Ford paid for it by losing (frankly, he deserved to lose, anyway).

Nixon should have faced impeachment, yes.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 06, 2023 10:35 am

Greater Kuomintang China wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If Nixon was President today he never would have resigned and would not have been convicted.


Hey, I would point out that, for all of his paranoia and other faults, Nixon showed some basic human decency toward the end as he resigned. If only he had shown more as President, of course.


Decency?……hmmmmm? I am not so sure. Many republicans turned on him. Basically telling him you have to go. If he had todays republicans? He wouldn’t have resigned. They would have fought any attempt to punish or remove him.

Also, let’s not forget he was one of McCarthy’s lieutenants.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 06, 2023 11:05 am

Tarsonis wrote:What even is the debate here? What do house republicans want?

Republicans in the house put a bunch of perennial and/or fashionable GOP priorities that mostly won't pass a divided congress on a bill to raise the debt ceiling. We're still waiting on the democrats' counteroffer to give more money to transgender planned parenthood workers instead so they can hash out a compromise that avoids default for another year and makes meaninglessly small cuts to something that's a rounding error on the government's budget anyways.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 06, 2023 11:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Kuomintang China wrote:
Hey, I would point out that, for all of his paranoia and other faults, Nixon showed some basic human decency toward the end as he resigned. If only he had shown more as President, of course.

Sorry, are we saying it was decent of Nixon to escape accountability for his crimes?

His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.
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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Sat May 06, 2023 11:08 am

Diopolis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sorry, are we saying it was decent of Nixon to escape accountability for his crimes?

His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.

I guess it’s 5:00 somewhere
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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 06, 2023 11:22 am

Senkaku wrote:
Diopolis wrote:His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.

I guess it’s 5:00 somewhere

Somewhere in western Europe I think.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat May 06, 2023 11:37 am

Diopolis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sorry, are we saying it was decent of Nixon to escape accountability for his crimes?

His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.

my brother in baphomet he started the war on drugs
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Urkennalaid
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Postby Urkennalaid » Sat May 06, 2023 11:42 am

I don't think I've seen anyone be super pro-Nixon likee this, at least in todays age. Kinda funny and interesting.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 06, 2023 11:43 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.

my brother in baphomet he started the war on drugs

He didn't fight hard enough. Singapore managed to practically eradicate its drug problem, but the US government is more interested in being nice to criminals.
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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 06, 2023 11:43 am

Urkennalaid wrote:I don't think I've seen anyone be super pro-Nixon likee this, at least in todays age. Kinda funny and interesting.


I am not following. Who is pro-Nixon?
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Deblar
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Postby Deblar » Sat May 06, 2023 11:47 am

Diopolis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sorry, are we saying it was decent of Nixon to escape accountability for his crimes?

His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.

Alright grandpa, let’s get you to bed.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 06, 2023 11:50 am

Diopolis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sorry, are we saying it was decent of Nixon to escape accountability for his crimes?

His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.


What do communists in a deep state of mediation have to do with anything?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 06, 2023 11:51 am

Diopolis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Sorry, are we saying it was decent of Nixon to escape accountability for his crimes?

His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.

Communists should have framed him up harder, and in public.

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat May 06, 2023 11:53 am

Diopolis wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:my brother in baphomet he started the war on drugs

He didn't fight hard enough. Singapore managed to practically eradicate its drug problem, but the US government is more interested in being nice to criminals.


Singapore? Really? You like an authoritarian state? Deciding when and what businesses can do?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 06, 2023 11:54 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Diopolis wrote:His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.


What do communists in a deep state of mediation have to do with anything?

FDR filled the US deep state with communists. They prevented Truman and Macarthur from rolling back communism in Asia and killed JFK before framing Nixon with watergate.
The deep state is still notable today for its opposition to Trump due to his alignment against the new world order.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 06, 2023 11:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
Diopolis wrote:His "crimes" were a frame up by communists in the deep state. Nixon did nothing wrong.

Communists should have framed him up harder, and in public.

Communists should all have been relocated to corrective labor in the tundra in Alaska, if only Truman and Macarthur could have worked together.
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Necroghastia
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat May 06, 2023 11:57 am

Diopolis wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What do communists in a deep state of mediation have to do with anything?

FDR filled the US deep state with communists. They prevented Truman and Macarthur from rolling back communism in Asia and killed JFK before framing Nixon with watergate.
The deep state is still notable today for its opposition to Trump due to his alignment against the new world order.

was this before or after they put the chemicals in the water to turn the freaking frogs gay
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Urkennalaid
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Postby Urkennalaid » Sat May 06, 2023 11:57 am

Diopolis wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What do communists in a deep state of mediation have to do with anything?

FDR filled the US deep state with communists. They prevented Truman and Macarthur from rolling back communism in Asia and killed JFK before framing Nixon with watergate.
The deep state is still notable today for its opposition to Trump due to his alignment against the new world order.


Yeah I don't think we should take anything you say seriously. I haven't seen anyone unironically think FDR was a commie deep state President.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 06, 2023 12:00 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
What do communists in a deep state of mediation have to do with anything?

FDR filled the US deep state with communists. They prevented Truman and Macarthur from rolling back communism in Asia and killed JFK before framing Nixon with watergate.
The deep state is still notable today for its opposition to Trump due to his alignment against the new world order.


Id like proof of this absurd claim.

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Necroghastia
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat May 06, 2023 12:01 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:my brother in baphomet he started the war on drugs

He didn't fight hard enough. Singapore managed to practically eradicate its drug problem, but the US government is more interested in being nice to criminals.

if he didnt fight hard enough then obviously he did something wrong, no?
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Sat May 06, 2023 12:05 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Diopolis wrote:FDR filled the US deep state with communists. They prevented Truman and Macarthur from rolling back communism in Asia and killed JFK before framing Nixon with watergate.
The deep state is still notable today for its opposition to Trump due to his alignment against the new world order.

was this before or after they put the chemicals in the water to turn the freaking frogs gay

Before. Floridation was a project mostly implemented by Eisenhower, and paved the way for the insertion of endocrine disruptors into the water to make the population more susceptible to LGBT programming. However, currently deep state regime health initiatives to promote LGBT are focused against anti-parasitics such as tobacco and ivermectin, because these have efficacy against homosexuality-causing parasites.
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Ancient Samaria
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Postby Ancient Samaria » Sat May 06, 2023 12:06 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:was this before or after they put the chemicals in the water to turn the freaking frogs gay

Before. Floridation was a project mostly implemented by Eisenhower, and paved the way for the insertion of endocrine disruptors into the water to make the population more susceptible to LGBT programming. However, currently deep state regime health initiatives to promote LGBT are focused against anti-parasitics such as tobacco and ivermectin, because these have efficacy against homosexuality-causing parasites.


Um...dude. The acid isn't worth it. Lay it off for a while.
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