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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

Yes
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No
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Elwher
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Postby Elwher » Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:54 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
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That is what the entire concept of legal standing boils down to, so yes.


Groups have been filing lawsuits on behalf of others for a long time.


And, as in the abortion pills lawsuit, been criticized for it and argued that the suits should be dismissed.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:55 am

Elwher wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Groups have been filing lawsuits on behalf of others for a long time.


And, as in the abortion pills lawsuit, been criticized for it and argued that the suits should be dismissed.


And those people are just as wrong. The wealthy class and corporations would LOVE to have lawsuits only by those affected as they would win most. Nothing wrong with groups filing on behalf of…..
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:11 pm

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San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/23/us/mississippi-jackson-naacp-lawsuit

NAACP files lawsuit after Mississippi governor signs legislation expanding state control over Jackson’s judicial system and policing


To ask the same question often asked about the abortion pill lawsuits, where doe the NAACP find standing to legitimately file such a suit?

Most likely they are filling on behalf of a resident who has asked them to do so. Hence they are acting as the legal team of resident/multiple residents.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:20 pm

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Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:I think there was a dril tweet about this.


Excuse an old fart's ignorance, but WTF is a dril tweet?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dril#:~ ... y%20others.
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Postby Dtn » Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:32 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Elwher wrote:
To ask the same question often asked about the abortion pill lawsuits, where doe the NAACP find standing to legitimately file such a suit?

Most likely they are filling on behalf of a resident who has asked them to do so. Hence they are acting as the legal team of resident/multiple residents.


No. An organization has representational standing if at least one of its members has standing and the interests involved are related to the organization's purpose.

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Elwher
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Postby Elwher » Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:39 pm

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Excuse an old fart's ignorance, but WTF is a dril tweet?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dril#:~ ... y%20others.



Thanks
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Postby Pangurstan » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:17 pm

zoomers are based
Williamson has only posted 65 videos on TikTok, yet has drawn more than 11 million views, according to a TikTok data counter. But there are also endless Marianne stan (Maristanne?) accounts — @marianne2024winner and @marianne4prez among them — that post her speeches and rack up massive numbers. A scroll through the popular account @realdemocrat20 turns up multiple Williamson videos, all generating eye-popping numbers for her treatises on universal health care, corruption, gun rights, or abortion, including nearly a million views for whatever this is.

A recent poll found Williamson hovering above 20 percent with voters under 30 — far higher than she reached in the crowded 2020 field — suggesting the buzz on TikTok is translating into real support or that real support is producing the buzz on TikTok. “I am obsessed with it,” said Jessica Burbank, a leftist political TikTok star who posts as @kaburbank, of the Marianne mania.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:29 pm

Pangurstan wrote:zoomers are based
Williamson has only posted 65 videos on TikTok, yet has drawn more than 11 million views, according to a TikTok data counter. But there are also endless Marianne stan (Maristanne?) accounts — @marianne2024winner and @marianne4prez among them — that post her speeches and rack up massive numbers. A scroll through the popular account @realdemocrat20 turns up multiple Williamson videos, all generating eye-popping numbers for her treatises on universal health care, corruption, gun rights, or abortion, including nearly a million views for whatever this is.

A recent poll found Williamson hovering above 20 percent with voters under 30 — far higher than she reached in the crowded 2020 field — suggesting the buzz on TikTok is translating into real support or that real support is producing the buzz on TikTok. “I am obsessed with it,” said Jessica Burbank, a leftist political TikTok star who posts as @kaburbank, of the Marianne mania.


So?……she has many clicks from around the world makes her?….electable?
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Postby Valrifall » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:30 pm

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So?……she has many clicks from around the world makes her?….electable?


This is but a trickle; a first wave of the massive flood of support coming for Williamson that will launch her in the White House in the first 50 state electoral sweep.

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Postby Rusozak » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:31 pm

Valrifall wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
So?……she has many clicks from around the world makes her?….electable?


This is but a trickle; a first wave of the massive flood of support coming for Williamson that will launch her in the White House in the first 50 state electoral sweep.

#Maristanne.


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Postby San Lumen » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:40 pm

Pangurstan wrote:zoomers are based
Williamson has only posted 65 videos on TikTok, yet has drawn more than 11 million views, according to a TikTok data counter. But there are also endless Marianne stan (Maristanne?) accounts — @marianne2024winner and @marianne4prez among them — that post her speeches and rack up massive numbers. A scroll through the popular account @realdemocrat20 turns up multiple Williamson videos, all generating eye-popping numbers for her treatises on universal health care, corruption, gun rights, or abortion, including nearly a million views for whatever this is.

A recent poll found Williamson hovering above 20 percent with voters under 30 — far higher than she reached in the crowded 2020 field — suggesting the buzz on TikTok is translating into real support or that real support is producing the buzz on TikTok. “I am obsessed with it,” said Jessica Burbank, a leftist political TikTok star who posts as @kaburbank, of the Marianne mania.


Tik tok isn’t representative. This is like saying online comments or subreddit can predict election outcomes.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:41 pm

Elwher wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why is killing children by banning life saving healthcare acceptable?


It is not.

It is not? But it was done entirely legally. The correct procedures were followed. Surely you can't be telling me that it is unacceptable for a state to regulate medical procedures.

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Postby Umeria » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:

Tik tok isn’t representative. This is like saying online comments or subreddit can predict election outcomes.

The article also cites polls.
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Postby Pangurstan » Sun Apr 23, 2023 2:56 pm

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Tik tok isn’t representative. This is like saying online comments or subreddit can predict election outcomes.

False, marianne williamson will tiktok dance to the white house
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:02 pm

Pangurstan wrote:zoomers are based
Williamson has only posted 65 videos on TikTok, yet has drawn more than 11 million views, according to a TikTok data counter. But there are also endless Marianne stan (Maristanne?) accounts — @marianne2024winner and @marianne4prez among them — that post her speeches and rack up massive numbers. A scroll through the popular account @realdemocrat20 turns up multiple Williamson videos, all generating eye-popping numbers for her treatises on universal health care, corruption, gun rights, or abortion, including nearly a million views for whatever this is.

A recent poll found Williamson hovering above 20 percent with voters under 30 — far higher than she reached in the crowded 2020 field — suggesting the buzz on TikTok is translating into real support or that real support is producing the buzz on TikTok. “I am obsessed with it,” said Jessica Burbank, a leftist political TikTok star who posts as @kaburbank, of the Marianne mania.

Zoomers are libs. If they were based, they would be unanimously calling for Haley/Bolton 2024
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:17 pm

Port Caverton wrote:

Zoomers are libs. If they were based, they would be unanimously calling for Haley/Bolton 2024

The bush years are not coming back.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:20 pm

Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Zoomers are libs. If they were based, they would be unanimously calling for Haley/Bolton 2024

The bush years are not coming back.

This wouldn't be the Bush years. This would be something else entirely.
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:21 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:The bush years are not coming back.

This wouldn't be the Bush years. This would be something else entirely.

Give it up, She's not winning nor will she ever win in any future primary.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:23 pm

Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:This wouldn't be the Bush years. This would be something else entirely.

Give it up, She's not winning nor will she ever win in any future primary.

You never know... The American public has gotten more interventionist since the Ukraine war so it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that Neocons might get a hold of the GOP again.
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:25 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Give it up, She's not winning nor will she ever win in any future primary.

You never know... The American public has gotten more interventionist since the Ukraine war so it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that Neocons might get a hold of the GOP again.

When you are saying shit like this, I just know that it's more over than it ever has been for the Bushites.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:26 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Give it up, She's not winning nor will she ever win in any future primary.

You never know... The American public has gotten more interventionist since the Ukraine war so it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that Neocons might get a hold of the GOP again.


They will not. They aren’t even conservatives to some people.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:28 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:You never know... The American public has gotten more interventionist since the Ukraine war so it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that Neocons might get a hold of the GOP again.


They will not. They aren’t even conservatives to some people.

They're only CINOs to paleocons.
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Postby Apatosaurus » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:31 pm

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Tik tok isn’t representative. This is like saying online comments or subreddit can predict election outcomes.

TikTok may not necessarily be representative, but the article does clearly demonstrate that TikTok is either affecting or affected by actual popularity of candidates; the excerpt quoted by Pangurstan cites a poll, for instance.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:40 pm

Apatosaurus wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Tik tok isn’t representative. This is like saying online comments or subreddit can predict election outcomes.

TikTok may not necessarily be representative, but the article does clearly demonstrate that TikTok is either affecting or affected by actual popularity of candidates; the excerpt quoted by Pangurstan cites a poll, for instance.


I’d be shocked if Williamson got a single delegate.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Apr 23, 2023 3:42 pm

Umeria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Tik tok isn’t representative. This is like saying online comments or subreddit can predict election outcomes.

The article also cites polls.

Yeah, with her at 20% support for people under 30. But ask Ron Paul or even Bernie Sanders how easy it is to translate 'internet hype' into 'showing the fuck up.'

But even if they do, 20% of voters under 30 isn't enough to do jack shit unless you have a primary field that can also fill all the positions in a baseball team. If she became a third party candidate she might be able to translate that into that golden 5% they need for guaranteed ballot access and federal funds.
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