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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

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Apatosaurus
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Postby Apatosaurus » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:26 pm

Urkennalaid wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.


Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is

I agree with this, although I do find it to be clearly beneficial not to have DeSantis elected next year.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:31 pm

Urkennalaid wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.


Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is


Bold of you to assume Trump isn’t just going to run again in 2028 even if he wins.
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:31 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.


He’s not dead yet.

He's not dead, but his campaign certainly is.

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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Urkennalaid wrote:
Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is


Bold of you to assume Trump isn’t just going to run again in 2028 even if he wins.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Apr 22, 2023 12:24 am

San Lumen wrote:
Urkennalaid wrote:
Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is


His feud with Disney isn’t making him look good either and neither is a bill saying trans kids can be separated from their families.

Tbh the base doesn’t give a shit about that, they actually love that stuff
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Postby Zapato » Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:13 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:In other news, the Supreme Court protected access to the abortion pill while it works its way through appeals courts. Alito wrote the dissent that was basically "Eh, how bad could it be, the next case is so soon..."

Using CNN because i know everyone can access it, choose your own flavor if it's not to your liking.

The "honorable" Clarence Thomas again signals through his silent dissent that he would ban the drug. No wonder, since he only wants to allow for contraception if it's given as a gift from a billionaire friend.
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Postby Haganham » Sat Apr 22, 2023 3:35 am

Urkennalaid wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.


Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is

Social media wont save Ron. He's horribly out of touch and have glommed onto the trans thing without really knowing why people are mad about it, and even if he did. It's not a replacement for the economic issues he's neglecting.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:16 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
His feud with Disney isn’t making him look good either and neither is a bill saying trans kids can be separated from their families.

Tbh the base doesn’t give a shit about that, they actually love that stuff


Outside the base it’s a turnoff. Even members of the legislature are getting tired of it.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:20 am

https://www.adn.com/politics/2023/04/21 ... itutional/

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:24 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Makes it perfect for Norwegians to acclimate to the US.

But ... but ... Scandinavia is a socialist hellhole!

The Vikings were just redistributing wealth.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:30 am

Varadonia wrote:Trumpism is Communism

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6919204865

https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/statu ... 28?lang=en

True Christians Reject Trumpism & Any Other Form of Communism

LGBT rights are Communism?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:31 am

Varadonia wrote:Trumpism is Communism

Took psychic damage from reading this.

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Postby Port Caverton » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:37 am

Varadonia wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:LGBT rights are Communism?

yes
Putin & Trumps are sodomite communists who are working with devil of Israel to attack our Christian brothers

How far-right are you that reactionaries are communists to you?
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:38 am

Varadonia wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:LGBT rights are Communism?

yes
Putin & Trumps are sodomite communists who are working with devil of Israel to attack our Christian brothers

Sodomite communists are cool, though. Putin and Trump are swagless sons of bitches.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:47 am

Varadonia wrote:Trumpism is Communism

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6919204865

https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/statu ... 28?lang=en

True Christians Reject Trumpism & Any Other Form of Communism


Frankly, Trump's own personal sexual history is far worse than anything that millions of monogamous or celibate LGBT people are doing.

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Postby Volksprussia » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:55 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Varadonia wrote:Trumpism is Communism

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6919204865

https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/statu ... 28?lang=en

True Christians Reject Trumpism & Any Other Form of Communism


Frankly, Trump's own personal sexual history is far worse than anything that millions of monogamous or celibate LGBT people are doing.


It’s worse than anything that polyamorous people of any sexual orientation do, too. We don’t make a practice of casually grabbing each other’s body parts without consent.
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Postby Autumn Wind » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:04 am

Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
He’s not dead yet.

He's not dead, but his campaign certainly is.


Can you hang on for a couple of minutes? He won’t be long.
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Postby Volksprussia » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:07 am

Vassenor wrote:
Urkennalaid wrote:
Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is


Bold of you to assume Trump isn’t just going to run again in 2028 even if he wins.


That would be so brazenly unconstitutional that it would be ultimate proof that he is seeking tyranny and autocracy.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:27 am

Volksprussia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Bold of you to assume Trump isn’t just going to run again in 2028 even if he wins.


That would be so brazenly unconstitutional that it would be ultimate proof that he is seeking tyranny and autocracy.


I wouldn’t put it past Republicans to ignore the 22nd amendment.

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Postby Eahland » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:47 am

Volksprussia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Bold of you to assume Trump isn’t just going to run again in 2028 even if he wins.


That would be so brazenly unconstitutional that it would be ultimate proof that he is seeking tyranny and autocracy.

Like plotting a self-coup in an effort to illegally remain in power wasn't?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:58 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Tbh the base doesn’t give a shit about that, they actually love that stuff


Outside the base it’s a turnoff. Even members of the legislature are getting tired of it.

But the base is what wins the primaries, doesn’t matter about the general.

It’s the primaries which is why republicans in AZ are having issues because the only way to win the state GOP primaries is to be a fucking lunatic however that doesn’t go over well with the rest of the state at all. Which means the GOP loses elections
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:But ... but ... Scandinavia is a socialist hellhole!

The Vikings were just redistributing wealth.

Given their tendency to settle places the Vikings were redistributing Vikings.
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:15 am

I simply would be a moor and beat the shit out of any viking invader. Anyways I know why Ron DeSantis is passing all of those bills, but it will not matter because the base still really, really, REALLY loves trump.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:19 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/22/us/utah- ... ransgender

Utah state senator’s home vandalized in possible retaliation for transgender bill, police say

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Postby Gravlen » Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:25 pm

Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.

I can't see why, he's getting glowing reviews from his former republican colleagues.

Eventually, Trott took the initiative and introduced himself to DeSantis. And he could see that the Florida congressman had a certain something.

“He’s got an ability to size up the electorate and figure out what issues and hot buttons he needs to press to advance his political ambitions,” Trott said. “There’s no question there’s a talent there. No taking that away from him.”

But equally apparent to Trott was what DeSantis was missing.

“If you’re going to go into politics, kind of a fundamental skill that you should have is likability. I don’t think [he] has that,” Trott said. “He never developed any relationships with other members that I know of. You’d never see him talking on the floor with other people or palling around. He’s just a very arrogant guy, very focused on Ron DeSantis.”

Given that, Trott isn’t surprised that so many members of the Florida delegation are opting to endorse Trump over their own governor.

“He wasn’t really liked when he was in Congress. And now it’s coming home to, you know, prove out as some of the Florida delegation endorsed Trump and and some of the donors, you know, think he’s kind of awkward in terms of how he interacts with them,” Trott said. “If his pre-presidential campaign was playing out differently, then I’d say, ‘Well, maybe he just didn’t like me.’ But I think there’s something more at work here.”

In short, said Trott, “I think he’s an asshole. I don’t think he cares about people.”
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