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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

Yes
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No
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:57 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Okay but, the parallels between how the GOP is treating the Trans community today and how victims of genocide were treated in the years leading up to the atrocities should not be taken lightly either. And the concerns about the safety of the community are valid. It's a rather mute point to argue about semantics and definitions when the physical actions are the same.

Yep. The road to fascism is built with hate and authoritarianism.

I recommend anyone who still doesn't understand the Nazism/Nazi-esque bigotry behind United States transcide to read the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's introduction to the Holocaust and the persecution that came with it.


Ive been to that museum. Its an experience but its nothing compared to the one in Jerusalem Yad Vashem.

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Port Caverton
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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:59 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Minnesota is based.

Hello again, self-proclaimed imperialist!

And yes, Minnesota is a based state.

I'm not an Imperialist.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:00 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Minnesota is based.

Hello again, self-proclaimed imperialist!

And yes, Minnesota is a based state.


Its an amazing state too. so beautiful. It currently has the longest streak of voting for President for a single party. It has not voted for a Republican since 1972 and no Republican has won statewide office since 2006.

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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:04 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Minnesota is based.

Hello again, self-proclaimed imperialist!

And yes, Minnesota is a based state.

Too bad it's nanny state.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:04 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Hello again, self-proclaimed imperialist!

And yes, Minnesota is a based state.

Too bad it's nanny state.


What is that supposed to mean?

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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Too bad it's nanny state.


What is that supposed to mean?

govt is up everyone's ass. The other issue, it gets too fucking cold in the winter.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:08 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What is that supposed to mean?

govt is up everyone's ass. The other issue, it get too fucking cold in the winter.


What do they do that is so awful?

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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:govt is up everyone's ass. The other issue, it get too fucking cold in the winter.


What do they do that is so awful?

It's run by authoritarian cunts mainly the dfl.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:11 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What do they do that is so awful?

It's run by authoritarian cunts mainly the dfl.


In what way are they authoritarian?

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Empire of Donner land
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:It's run by authoritarian cunts mainly the dfl.


In what way are they authoritarian?

Presumably, because they force him to wear his seatbelt and illegalize drunk driving I guess. I dunno. Minnesota's not done anything wrong as far as I know.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:30 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What is that supposed to mean?

govt is up everyone's ass. The other issue, it gets too fucking cold in the winter.

Makes it perfect for Norwegians to acclimate to the US.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:39 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:govt is up everyone's ass. The other issue, it gets too fucking cold in the winter.

Makes it perfect for Norwegians to acclimate to the US.

But ... but ... Scandinavia is a socialist hellhole!
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Postby Fractalnavel » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:05 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Makes it perfect for Norwegians to acclimate to the US.

But ... but ... Scandinavia is a socialist hellhole!

lies!

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:09 pm

Fractalnavel wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:But ... but ... Scandinavia is a socialist hellhole!

lies!

You would think that Scandinavia ceasing to exist would make the news.
Make Earth Great Again: Stop Continental Drift!
And Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water ...
"Make yourself at home, Frank. Hit somebody." RIP Don Rickles
My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. ~ Carl Schurz
<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
Now the foot is on the other hand ~ Kannap
RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:08 pm

In other news, the Supreme Court protected access to the abortion pill while it works its way through appeals courts. Alito wrote the dissent that was basically "Eh, how bad could it be, the next case is so soon..."

Using CNN because i know everyone can access it, choose your own flavor if it's not to your liking.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Terra dei Cittadini
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Hello again, self-proclaimed imperialist!

And yes, Minnesota is a based state.

Too bad it's nanny state.

Nanny state my ass I want healthcare I'm gonna have my nanny gimme healthcare.
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Democratic Socialism & Progress > Right-wing BS

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Terra dei Cittadini
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:14 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What do they do that is so awful?

It's run by authoritarian cunts mainly the dfl.

Why is not being allowed to not inebriated drive so bad?

Also, I like a government that helps people. If that's being a nanny, I don't care.
Terra dei Cittadini, citizen of The North Pacific
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Democratic Socialism & Progress > Right-wing BS

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Terra dei Cittadini
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:15 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:In other news, the Supreme Court protected access to the abortion pill while it works its way through appeals courts. Alito wrote the dissent that was basically "Eh, how bad could it be, the next case is so soon..."

Using CNN because i know everyone can access it, choose your own flavor if it's not to your liking.

"They protected abortion!"

"Nope. They'll be back to the slaughterhouse of liberty later..."
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  • More about me here!
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  • Canonically multicultural-Italian.


Democratic Socialism & Progress > Right-wing BS

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:22 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:In other news, the Supreme Court protected access to the abortion pill while it works its way through appeals courts. Alito wrote the dissent that was basically "Eh, how bad could it be, the next case is so soon..."

Using CNN because i know everyone can access it, choose your own flavor if it's not to your liking.

"They protected abortion!"

"Nope. They'll be back to the slaughterhouse of liberty later..."

"We'll give you a few more weeks to stock up..."

I don't trust them to actually protect the pill when they get their turn. But for the time being...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:19 pm

Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.

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Postby Urkennalaid » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:24 pm

Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.


Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is
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Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:26 pm

Urkennalaid wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.


Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is

Trying to predict the 2028 presidential election now is like trying to predict the 2016 presidential election in 2007. Simply put, you can't. And honestly he's not going to win if he ran in 2028.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:47 pm

Urkennalaid wrote:
Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.


Ron DeSantis never stood a chance. I've said this to other people before, but if he goes into the Primaries, all it takes is for Trump to call him a pedo and bring up him drinking with underage high schoolers he taught for his campaign to be OVER. His best bet is waiting until 2028, and even then, he's so uncharismatic. If there is one thing Trump knew how to do, it was to rile up his rabid fanbase.

In general, politicians need to also realize that since times are evolving, they have to use social media and the younger audience as part of their propaganda. I mean, there's a reason Bernie was so popular and still is


His feud with Disney isn’t making him look good either and neither is a bill saying trans kids can be separated from their families.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:08 pm

Pizza Friday Forever91 wrote:Wow, the Ron DeSantis campaign is dead.


He’s not dead yet.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:10 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Fractalnavel wrote:lies!

You would think that Scandinavia ceasing to exist would make the news.


How often do you guys announce you have made some DOS?
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