American Politics: The Speaker's Cornered

[Des-Bal]

Gun fetishists trying to downplay what's happening to the transgender community while implying that they're the ones really being genocided is a case of 'giving them enough rope.'

It's like watching them make a case for not taking them even remotely serious.

"Really being genocided" wow genocide is a spectrum and the fact that real genocides exist doesn't mean that every single that bothers me isn't also a genocide. The point isn't that the Mandalorians are the real victims it's that playing it fast and loose with heavy words and imagery makes you look like an asshole.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

legalize nuclear bombs

Nobody actually gets nuclear bombs before they're a state, it's a perfect parallel to how nobody gets actual sex reassignment surgery as a child it's an evil boogeyman trotted out to malign us.

Wow it is so much easier to argue when you draw parallels without respect for context or meaning.

I’m just memeing, not sure what you’re trying to say.

regardless the idea that people should be allowed to purchase a howitzer is pretty obviously not a good one. you’d end up with private militaries pretty quickly.

[Narland]

legalize nuclear bombs

The only way to defend your home in style.

Hipster nuclear hand-grenades of the retro-WW1 potato-masher style.

[Valrifall]

I'd like to apologize for introducing the mandalorian into this. Though in my defense when I did it, it was funny.

[Gravlen]

Sure, but then again, why do you think I'm on NSG if not to be able to nitpick when someone misuses a legal definition?

But seriously, that's why I think it's incumbent on good faith debaters to point out that while it's not technically genocide, it's still unacceptable and horrible human rights abuses. Those who just go "Well it's technically not genocide FULL STOP" can be ignored, as they don't bring anything to the discussion unless you want to have the legalistic argument (Which may have been what Hispida wanted, since they brought up legal documents with specific legal definitions to defend their argument).

That's the way to ensure you don't excuse or downplay what's happening.

Which you need to ensure you don't do, because whatever you call it, what we see is attempts to eradicate a minority group, attempts to legislate them out of existence, attempts to justify violations of their human rights - things that gives the green light for brutal and violent acts, including assaults on basic freedoms, rights and dignities.

I just don't get how AL thinks that mere rhetorical denial-ism is an good tack to take (even in self-admitting trolling of this space in defense of gun rights) when he can just go "This genocide is what the second amendment was made for" and "Gun control is only executed on minorities not the actual perpetrators of school shootings."

A good chuck of these posters will still they pissed off so he's posting like gauth for pointless reasons.

He just makes his off-site claims of moderateness at practically suspect if lets his anti-gun-grabber trolling gain more priority than reading the room.

I tend to not read anything they post, so I can't really offer any insight here.

[Cannot think of a name]

Nobody actually gets nuclear bombs before they're a state, it's a perfect parallel to how nobody gets actual sex reassignment surgery as a child it's an evil boogeyman trotted out to malign us.

Wow it is so much easier to argue when you draw parallels without respect for context or meaning.

I’m just memeing, not sure what you’re trying to say.

regardless the idea that people should be allowed to purchase a howitzer is pretty obviously not a good one. you’d end up with private militaries pretty quickly.

Not really relevant to the discussion but I worked on a project at this dude's ranch that collected old military equipment because the project needed a WWII Soviet tank and he had one. He also had a howitzer (disabled obv) that he stored pointed at his neighbor.

[Des-Bal]

I’m just memeing, not sure what you’re trying to say.

regardless the idea that people should be allowed to purchase a howitzer is pretty obviously not a good one. you’d end up with private militaries pretty quickly.

My point is about twisting definitions and parallels to invoke dramatic imagery. Neither the Mandalorian nor the Transgender nation exist and invoking the word genocide is best not done lightly.

[American Legionaries]

Nobody actually gets nuclear bombs before they're a state, it's a perfect parallel to how nobody gets actual sex reassignment surgery as a child it's an evil boogeyman trotted out to malign us.

Wow it is so much easier to argue when you draw parallels without respect for context or meaning.

I’m just memeing, not sure what you’re trying to say.

regardless the idea that people should be allowed to purchase a howitzer is pretty obviously not a good one. you’d end up with private militaries pretty quickly.

If something leads to a good thing, it would seem reasonable that that thing is itself good.

[Necroghastia]

I’m just memeing, not sure what you’re trying to say.

regardless the idea that people should be allowed to purchase a howitzer is pretty obviously not a good one. you’d end up with private militaries pretty quickly.

My point is about twisting definitions and parallels to invoke dramatic imagery. Neither the Mandalorian nor the Transgender nation exist and invoking the word genocide is best not done lightly.

You're damn right it's best not done lightly.

[Narland]

Nobody actually gets nuclear bombs before they're a state, it's a perfect parallel to how nobody gets actual sex reassignment surgery as a child it's an evil boogeyman trotted out to malign us.

Wow it is so much easier to argue when you draw parallels without respect for context or meaning.

I’m just memeing, not sure what you’re trying to say.

regardless the idea that people should be allowed to purchase a howitzer is pretty obviously not a good one. you’d end up with private militaries pretty quickly.

In the US some jurisdictions allow the owning of howitzers as long as you pay the inordinate costs to have a Federal license for the destructive device. Each shell is also considered a destructive device and requires its own license as well. Not worth it imo.

My uncle used to have a tank that he kept at the local armory and took out on occasion at the national guard range. It is now just a shell that sits in a public park.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I’m just memeing, not sure what you’re trying to say.

regardless the idea that people should be allowed to purchase a howitzer is pretty obviously not a good one. you’d end up with private militaries pretty quickly.

In the US some jurisdictions allow the owning of howitzers as long as you pay the inordinate costs to have a Federal license for the destructive device. Each shell is also considered a destructive device and requires its own license as well. Not worth it imo.

You don't need a license, just a $200 fee. Rocket launchers and such things are legal under the same caveat.

[Narland]

In the US some jurisdictions allow the owning of howitzers as long as you pay the inordinate costs to have a Federal license for the destructive device. Each shell is also considered a destructive device and requires its own license as well. Not worth it imo.

You don't need a license, just a $200 fee. Rocket launchers and such things are legal under the same caveat.

Thanks, I was misinformed. The federal regs make it look like I need to get a destructive device license. Not that I want a howitzer. My hunting rifle is sufficient.

[Eternal Algerstonia]

if god is forced out of the united states of america by the red communists, then god will emerge and enact vengeance for abandoning the way

[Fractalnavel]

I would like a fighter jet, but it's not like I can afford one. Or fly one. Or have anywhere to put it. But I own a sort of old Jeep. That has to count for something. I think. Poor man's fighter. Yeah, I'm cool with that. I used to keep a loaded super soaker in it. I don't think I'd risk pulling that out these days. Anyway, army surplus ftw.

what were we talking about? nvm.

[Port Caverton]

if god is forced out of the united states of america by the red communists, then god will emerge and enact vengeance for abandoning the way

God was forced out by the reactionary known as Trump.

[Rusozak]

I’m just memeing, not sure what you’re trying to say.

regardless the idea that people should be allowed to purchase a howitzer is pretty obviously not a good one. you’d end up with private militaries pretty quickly.

My point is about twisting definitions and parallels to invoke dramatic imagery. Neither the Mandalorian nor the Transgender nation exist and invoking the word genocide is best not done lightly.

Okay but, the parallels between how the GOP is treating the Trans community today and how victims of genocide were treated in the years leading up to the atrocities should not be taken lightly either. And the concerns about the safety of the community are valid. It's a rather mute point to argue about semantics and definitions when the physical actions are the same.

[Valrifall]

if god is forced out of the united states of america by the red communists, then god will emerge and enact vengeance for abandoning the way

Pft. I could take god.

[Fractalnavel]

if god is forced out of the united states of america by the red communists, then god will emerge and enact vengeance for abandoning the way

Pft. I could take god.

Like, in the biblical sense?

[San Lumen]

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/ ... bill-vote/

Minnesota Senate passes bills for reproductive freedom and trans refuge, and ban on conversion therapy

[Port Caverton]

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/protestors-amass-at-capitol-ahead-of-gender-health-care-bill-vote/

Minnesota Senate passes bills for reproductive freedom and trans refuge, and ban on conversion therapy

Minnesota is based.

[Cannot think of a name]

Pft. I could take god.

Like, in the biblical sense?

In the stock room over the olives.

[Cannot think of a name]

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/protestors-amass-at-capitol-ahead-of-gender-health-care-bill-vote/

Minnesota Senate passes bills for reproductive freedom and trans refuge, and ban on conversion therapy

Minnesota is based.

So used to bad news I had to read that a few times before I sorted it out.

[San Lumen]

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/protestors-amass-at-capitol-ahead-of-gender-health-care-bill-vote/

Minnesota Senate passes bills for reproductive freedom and trans refuge, and ban on conversion therapy

Minnesota is based.

Yes

Elections have consequences. This is all happening because Democrats held the House and took the State Senate last year and reelected their Governor.

[Terra dei Cittadini]

My point is about twisting definitions and parallels to invoke dramatic imagery. Neither the Mandalorian nor the Transgender nation exist and invoking the word genocide is best not done lightly.

Okay but, the parallels between how the GOP is treating the Trans community today and how victims of genocide were treated in the years leading up to the atrocities should not be taken lightly either. And the concerns about the safety of the community are valid. It's a rather mute point to argue about semantics and definitions when the physical actions are the same.

Yep. The road to fascism is built with hate and authoritarianism.

I recommend anyone who still doesn't understand the Nazism/Nazi-esque bigotry behind United States transcide to read the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum's introduction to the Holocaust and the persecution that came with it.

[Terra dei Cittadini]

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/protestors-amass-at-capitol-ahead-of-gender-health-care-bill-vote/

Minnesota Senate passes bills for reproductive freedom and trans refuge, and ban on conversion therapy

Minnesota is based.

Hello again, self-proclaimed imperialist!

And yes, Minnesota is a based state.