United Calanworie wrote:Senkaku wrote:What is the point you’re making, exactly? A rose thorn or a pencil can be just as lethal if the bleeding isn’t stopped, but I’m very comfortable arguing that pencil-inflicted wounds are generally more survivable than ones from 9mm bullets.
That's because you're going to have coagulation and achieve hemostasis on a small, pencil-inflicted wound. You aren't going to achieve it on a gunshot without external pressure in all likelihood. The phrase that I was taught for GSW victims was "bright lights and cold steel are what's going to save their life." You don't need bright lights and cold steel for a pencil wound because it's going to clot on its own. Gunshots? Not so much. Pack the wound, apply external pressure, start a large bore IV for fluid replacement/TXA, but none of those things are going to long-term save them, they're going to need definitive care and likely surgery in order to repair the damage.
I mean come on, getting stabbed in the neck will bleed most people out regardless of what they get stabbed with. Bright lights and cold steel are what you need for serious trauma from all kinds of causes, but if we’re assuming we have them available for victims in a timely manner, then it is in fact possible to start delineating what kinds of wounds and causes are more or less survivable. If someone shoots me in the abdomen with a standard 9mm pistol round, there’s a very good chance I’ll die, but I’m guessing the surgeons would have a better shot than if I’d been hit with a hollow-point .556 from a higher-powered long gun— this feels like common sense, so I’m not sure why you’re insisting it’s impossible to distinguish between them just because they all can bleed you out if you don’t get timely medical attention. On the one hand I might eventually make it out with like, a bowel resection and a bunch of stitches; on the other I might have my intestines and kidneys and spine blown completely to smithereens. Get hit in the chest, you’re talking about losing part of a lung versus having most of your cardiopulmonary system turned into a purée.
It's not like these things weren't articulated by the British Constitution from the Magna Carta to the the Bills of Rights of the English, or mentioned in Cooke, Blackstone, the British Protestant and Counter-Reformation divines, the American Founders, or practice in the actual counties, municipalities and the States themselves. Not to mention Constitutional principle forbids a standing Army unless bi-annual appropriated for (preferably by a declaration of War), and the 1848 statutes being the aftermath of Polk's dirty little war. Speaking of 1848, It seems like there is a large contingent that believes history doesn't matter until Karl Marx applied his socio-economic lens of history at the expense of all others.