American Politics: Speaker's Corner

[Senkaku]

Yeah, I taught marksmanship in the USMC, I'm fully aware of the capabilities of the M-16 and it's civilian model, the AR-15.

With all due respect, are you? Teaching Marines how to get shots on target would, to my very civilian perspective, seem to be a very different matter to trying to deal with a body perforated by multiple .223 rounds.

Maybe he was also a trauma surgeon, you never know what sorts of fascinating career arcs people online have had!

[Urkennalaid]

Famously no dictatorships have gotten rid of those ideologically left-leaning from any sort of power beforehand through legislation and the "Democratic" process. Famously.

[Tarsonis]

Elections have consequences.

This line has nothing to do with what occurred here. This was undemocratic move straight out of a dictatorship and its quite interesting they expelled the two black members but kept the white woman.

it has everything to do with it. Elected officials voted to expel other elected officials. if those elected officials hadn't been elected, they wouldn't be there to expel the other elected officials.

Welcome to representative democracy.

. That's certainly going to piss off the black vote in Tennessee.

And they'll express their dissatisfaction at the ballot box. Is that what you so endless harp as the correct turnabout? God it would be easier to take your protestations seriously if we didn't all know that the only reason you're upset is because it was republicans doing it to Democrats. You'd be cheering whole heartedly if it was going the other way.

[Tarsonis]

Yeah, except then you run into the millions of gun owners who have said weapons, commit no crimes with them, and will strenuously object to punitive taxes.

Isn't that the beauty of democracy, or something?

Indeed. Hence why no punitive taxes have been levied, as of yet.

[San Lumen]

This line has nothing to do with what occurred here. This was undemocratic move straight out of a dictatorship and its quite interesting they expelled the two black members but kept the white woman.

it has everything to do with it. Elected officials voted to expel other elected officials. if those elected officials hadn't been elected, they wouldn't be there to expel the other elected officials.

Welcome to representative democracy.

. That's certainly going to piss off the black vote in Tennessee.

And they'll express their dissatisfaction at the ballot box. Is that what you so endless harp as the correct turnabout? God it would be easier to take your protestations seriously if we didn't all know that the only reason you're upset is because it was republicans doing it to Democrats. You'd be cheering whole heartedly if it was going the other way.

This is not representative democracy. This is something a dictatorial state does. Nothing these members did warranted expulsion.

I would absolutely not approve of Democrats pulling a tactic like this in a legislature they control. Expulsion should only be the most serious of crimes and their actions did not warrant such a measure at all. If they chose to censure them I doubt there would have even been media coverage.

[El Lazaro]

This line has nothing to do with what occurred here. This was undemocratic move straight out of a dictatorship and its quite interesting they expelled the two black members but kept the white woman.

it has everything to do with it. Elected officials voted to expel other elected officials. if those elected officials hadn't been elected, they wouldn't be there to expel the other elected officials.

Welcome to representative democracy.

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[San Lumen]

https://coloradosun.com/2023/04/06/mike ... al-runoff/

It’s official: Denver mayoral candidates Mike Johnston, Kelly Brough will advance to June runoff election

State Rep. Serena Gonzales-Gutierrez and Sarah Parady will join City Council in July to represent all of Denver as at-large members

[American Legionaries]

It literally isn't a dictatorial move, though. The legislature voted, that's not a dictatorship. You can cry about how you don't like the way the legislature voted until the cows come home and nobody is going to stop you. But the fact remains that this was democracy in action.

it absolutely is. Nothing these members did warranted being expelled.

It would seem that the elected representatives disagree with your point of view.

[San Lumen]

it absolutely is. Nothing these members did warranted being expelled.

It would seem that the elected representatives disagree with your point of view.

I don't care what they think. Just because they did it doesn't make it right.

[American Legionaries]

It would seem that the elected representatives disagree with your point of view.

I don't care what they think. Just because they did it doesn't make it right.

Just because you dislike it doesn't make it wrong.

[Tarsonis]

it has everything to do with it. Elected officials voted to expel other elected officials. if those elected officials hadn't been elected, they wouldn't be there to expel the other elected officials.

Welcome to representative democracy.




And they'll express their dissatisfaction at the ballot box. Is that what you so endless harp as the correct turnabout? God it would be easier to take your protestations seriously if we didn't all know that the only reason you're upset is because it was republicans doing it to Democrats. You'd be cheering whole heartedly if it was going the other way.

This is not representative democracy.

by definition, it is.

This is something a dictatorial state does. Nothing these members did warranted expulsion.

That's a matter of opinion.

I would absolutely not approve of Democrats pulling a tactic like this in a legislature they control. Expulsion should only be the most serious of crimes and their actions did not warrant such a measure at all.

The law makes no requirements of crime committal for impeachment, nor expulsion. Once again, there is a major disconnect between the way you think things ought to be, and the way things are.

If they chose to censure them I doubt there would have even been media coverage.

Which is a commentary on the sad state of affairs that is our political system all by itself.

[Tarsonis]

it has everything to do with it. Elected officials voted to expel other elected officials. if those elected officials hadn't been elected, they wouldn't be there to expel the other elected officials.

Welcome to representative democracy.

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Probably.

[El Lazaro]

it absolutely is. Nothing these members did warranted being expelled.

It would seem that the elected representatives disagree with your point of view.

Being elected once does not mean they have a mandate to stay in power forever. Usurping democracy is undemocratic regardless of whether voters were aware they were going to do so.

[Necroghastia]

This is not representative democracy.

by definition, it is.

people were deprived of representation today, wdym

This is something a dictatorial state does. Nothing these members did warranted expulsion.

That's a matter of opinion.

Sometimes... opinions... can be right.

I would absolutely not approve of Democrats pulling a tactic like this in a legislature they control. Expulsion should only be the most serious of crimes and their actions did not warrant such a measure at all.

The law makes no requirements of crime committal for impeachment, nor expulsion. Once again, there is a major disconnect between the way you think things ought to be, and the way things are.

Lumen literally said "expulsion should only be...," it seems like there's a perfectly reasonable grasp of that distinction there.

[American Legionaries]

It would seem that the elected representatives disagree with your point of view.

Being elected once does not mean they have a mandate to stay in power forever. Usurping democracy is undemocratic regardless of whether voters were aware they were going to do so.

Who said anything about them staying in power forever? How does thay have anything to do with them voting to eject a member?

[El Lazaro]

Being elected once does not mean they have a mandate to stay in power forever. Usurping democracy is undemocratic regardless of whether voters were aware they were going to do so.

Who said anything about them staying in power forever? How does thay have anything to do with them voting to eject a member?

Randomly expelling anyone who opposes the majority allows them to further voter suppression, continue gerrymandering, select state officials who will uphold gerrymandering and voter suppression, and lift constitutional limits on power. It’s plainly dictatorial and prevents the opposition from undoing unpopular policies in the first place, ergo extending their rule.

[San Lumen]

This is not representative democracy.

by definition, it is.

This is something a dictatorial state does. Nothing these members did warranted expulsion.

That's a matter of opinion.

I would absolutely not approve of Democrats pulling a tactic like this in a legislature they control. Expulsion should only be the most serious of crimes and their actions did not warrant such a measure at all.

The law makes no requirements of crime committal for impeachment, nor expulsion. Once again, there is a major disconnect between the way you think things ought to be, and the way things are.

If they chose to censure them I doubt there would have even been media coverage.

Which is a commentary on the sad state of affairs that is our political system all by itself.

So you have no issue with what happened in the Senate? Your simple response is oh well that's democracy? There is nothing acceptable about this. why not just expel every Democrat in the chamber?

[Tarsonis]

by definition, it is.

people were deprived of representation today, wdym

by elected representatives. it's pretty simple, I don't understand how hard it is to understand that Elected Representatives exercising the powers of their office is representative democracy in action.

That's a matter of opinion.

Sometimes... opinions... can be right.

Yet simply saying as such, doesn't make it so.

The law makes no requirements of crime committal for impeachment, nor expulsion. Once again, there is a major disconnect between the way you think things ought to be, and the way things are.

Lumen literally said "expulsion should only be...," it seems like there's a perfectly reasonable grasp of that distinction there.

And yet he whinges

[San Lumen]

people were deprived of representation today, wdym

by elected representatives. it's pretty simple, I don't understand how hard it is to understand that Elected Representatives exercising the powers of their office is representative democracy in action.

Sometimes... opinions... can be right.

Yet simply saying as such, doesn't make it so.

Lumen literally said "expulsion should only be...," it seems like there's a perfectly reasonable grasp of that distinction there.

And yet he whinges

Except this is not representative democracy. its an abuse of power. Expulsion should only be for the most serious of offenses. A censure would not have even gotten media attention and would have been sufficient.

[Washington Resistance Army]

by elected representatives. it's pretty simple, I don't understand how hard it is to understand that Elected Representatives exercising the powers of their office is representative democracy in action.


Yet simply saying as such, doesn't make it so.




And yet he whinges

Except this is not representative democracy. its an abuse of power. Expulsion should only be for the most serious of offenses. A censure would not have even gotten media attention and would have been sufficient.

Mayhaps this is a downside of letting the legislature simply create their own rules instead of having them laid out constitutionally.

[Necroghastia]

people were deprived of representation today, wdym

by elected representatives. it's pretty simple, I don't understand how hard it is to understand that Elected Representatives exercising the powers of their office is representative democracy in action.

Denying people their representatives selected from a democratic election is representative democracy in action?

Sometimes... opinions... can be right.

Yet simply saying as such, doesn't make it so.

Sure. Being right makes them right.

Lumen literally said "expulsion should only be...," it seems like there's a perfectly reasonable grasp of that distinction there.

And yet he whinges

"And yet he whinges," indeed....

[Eahland]

Representative democracy is when your duly-elected representatives are expelled from the legislature by fascists consolidating power, and the more duly-elected representatives are expelled from the legislature by fascists consolidating power, the more representative-democracy it is.

[San Lumen]

Representative democracy is when your duly-elected representatives are expelled from the legislature by fascists consolidating power, and the more duly-elected representatives are expelled from the legislature by fascists consolidating power, the more representative-democracy it is.

This is pretty much Tarsonis's argument.

I never ceased to be amazed at the takes here. I would love to see what Tarsonis would have told the protesters in Nashville.

[Tarsonis]

by definition, it is.


That's a matter of opinion.




The law makes no requirements of crime committal for impeachment, nor expulsion. Once again, there is a major disconnect between the way you think things ought to be, and the way things are.




Which is a commentary on the sad state of affairs that is our political system all by itself.

So you have no issue with what happened in the Senate? Your simple response is oh well that's democracy? There is nothing acceptable about this. why not just expel every Democrat in the chamber?

.

Sure I do. This incident perfectly illustrates the dangers of a super majority, and a well entrenched one at that. But not liking it doesn't change the fact that this is democracy in action, and was well within the realm of their powers as legislature. (It's also hardly the first time this has ever happened). If people don't like it, they should, oh how did you put it,...get out and vote.

[Vassenor]

Representative democracy is when your duly-elected representatives are expelled from the legislature by fascists consolidating power, and the more duly-elected representatives are expelled from the legislature by fascists consolidating power, the more representative-democracy it is.

Expelled for the crime of -checks notes- protesting against things the fascists want to do.