American Politics: Speaker's Corner

[San Lumen]

Shame on them. This is what dictatorships do.

>holding a vote of elected representatives and abiding by the results of that vote
>"What dictatorships do"

You have to pick one...

I will not as it’s a a stupid choice. This is a dictatorial move. Expelling people because you don’t like their beliefs. Nothing these three people did warrants expulsion.

[American Legionaries]

>holding a vote of elected representatives and abiding by the results of that vote
>"What dictatorships do"

You have to pick one...

I will not as it’s a a stupid choice. This is a dictatorial move. Expelling people because you don’t like their beliefs. Nothing these three people did warrants expulsion.

It literally isn't a dictatorial move, though. The legislature voted, that's not a dictatorship. You can cry about how you don't like the way the legislature voted until the cows come home and nobody is going to stop you. But the fact remains that this was democracy in action.

[Narland]

Sure it is.

Okay, leaving all the Florida stuff aside, what is the sort of tyranny that the 2nd Amendment is supposed to protect us from? It seems like at this point, the only right that we need an armed populace to defend from state overreach is the right to bear arms— which begins to feel a bit recursive, but I can’t really see you or anyone else commenting on it around here actually picking up a rifle to protect anything else.

The primary purpose is for domestic tranquility of self-governing persons practicing civic virtue in a free and open society. It is intended to keep the military power subordinate to the civilian power, and for the defense of individuals, families, and communities from acts of lawlessness perpetrated by others from within or without the government/state. It was also intended for duly elected executives to draw from a body of men during times of need and activate them to appropriate status -- deputies, an irregular militia, or as authorized military. Originally it was conceived to be more like how Switzerland organizes itself into a Citizens' militia.

In every State the political power resides in the people as individuals. This includes the right to police oneself. In all jurisdictions the police draw their power from that right to collectively police their respective jurisdictions as peace officers. The main problem since the 20th Century is that this has further been augmented by State legislation and Court adjudication that requires police to be law enforcement first and in many cases instead of being peace officers. In such a case the Citizens might have to lawfully defend themselves against rogue agents, bureaucrats acting in bad faith malfeasance, and local governments who have gone full despot, and arrest the miscreants themselves.

[Cannot think of a name]

Rebekah Jones, who blew the whistle on Florida lying about their covid numbers, is still being targeted for retaliation by Ron DeSantis. As she outlines, her 13 year old son seemingly had a Snapchat group infiltrated by a cop and he has now been arrested and charged with making terrorist threats for sending a meme mocking the police to his friends. Her husband and daughter have fled the state while she remains to try and help her son.

This is the GOP's best alternative to Trump. The Child Catcher.

Litertally 1984

I'm not sure how to react when that's finally used correctly...

[Narland]

First Tennessee legislator(Justin Jones of Nashville) expelled 72-25

Shame on them. This is what dictatorships do.

No, this is what State Legislatures do in order to stop disorderly and unruly behaviour within their ranks. In dictatorships they are bribed or blackmailed into obedience, arrested under trumped up charges, get disappeared, meet some unfortunate "coincidental" tragedy, or are summarily executed.

[Uiiop]

Which is why the last school shooting in the UK was over twenty years ago.

A quick glance online actually seems to indicate mass shootings are more common in the UK nowadays than they were many decades back. It appears the UK only had two mass shootings in the latter half of the 1900s but has already had 3 mass shootings in the past 13 years.

I like you man but 2 in 5 years then 3 in 15 isn't the argument you're trying to make .

[Zurkerx]

First Tennessee legislator(Justin Jones of Nashville) expelled 72-25

Oddly, the second vote failed to expel Democratic Rep. Gloria Johnson. That was 65-30. Either way, this seems to a brazened abuse of power.

[Washington Resistance Army]

A quick glance online actually seems to indicate mass shootings are more common in the UK nowadays than they were many decades back. It appears the UK only had two mass shootings in the latter half of the 1900s but has already had 3 mass shootings in the past 13 years.

I like you man but 2 in 5 years then 3 in 15 isn't the argument you're trying to make .

No no, it was 2 in 50+ years then 3 in 13. The UK in general had a shockingly low amount of mass murder incidents in the 1900s, pretty much all of them were IRA bombings. Ever since the 2000s the rate has gone way up.

[Deblar]

For those wondering, this is the image a 13 year old boy was arrested on terrorism charges for.

Oh please, that’s tame. If that’s what they consider terrorism, I’m surprised they haven’t labeled Reddit as a terrorist organization yet.

Also, if you don’t want people to make jokes about your ineffectiveness at your expense, maybe don’t be so ineffective. Just a thought.

[Cannot think of a name]

Your shameful devotion to stupid pieces of metal is utterly and completely pathetic.

But only half as much as your devotion to not knowing jack shit about the subject and refusing to listen to those who do.

Trying to pretend trivia is a delineating factor in the conversation is threadbare.

[Ifreann]

I will not as it’s a a stupid choice. This is a dictatorial move. Expelling people because you don’t like their beliefs. Nothing these three people did warrants expulsion.

It literally isn't a dictatorial move, though. The legislature voted, that's not a dictatorship. You can cry about how you don't like the way the legislature voted until the cows come home and nobody is going to stop you. But the fact remains that this was democracy in action.

No it wasn't.

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Okay, leaving all the Florida stuff aside, what is the sort of tyranny that the 2nd Amendment is supposed to protect us from? It seems like at this point, the only right that we need an armed populace to defend from state overreach is the right to bear arms— which begins to feel a bit recursive, but I can’t really see you or anyone else commenting on it around here actually picking up a rifle to protect anything else.

The primary purpose is for domestic tranquility of self-governing persons practicing civic virtue in a free and open society. It is intended to keep the military power subordinate to the civilian power, and for the defense of individuals, families, and communities from acts of lawlessness perpetrated by others from within or without the government/state. It was also intended for duly elected executives to draw from a body of men during times of need and activate them to appropriate status -- deputies, an irregular militia, or as authorized military. Originally it was conceived to be more like how Switzerland organizes itself into a Citizens' militia.

That seems anachronistic. It wasn't until 1848 that the federal constitution established the policy of not maintaining a standing army but requiring all citizens to serve if conscripted.

[Senkaku]

The legislature voted, that's not a dictatorship.

Gotta be one of your funniest lines of all time tbh

[American Legionaries]

The legislature voted, that's not a dictatorship.

Gotta be one of your funniest lines of all time tbh

You must be quite easily amused.

[The Grand Fifth Imperium]

Okay, leaving all the Florida stuff aside, what is the sort of tyranny that the 2nd Amendment is supposed to protect us from? It seems like at this point, the only right that we need an armed populace to defend from state overreach is the right to bear arms— which begins to feel a bit recursive, but I can’t really see you or anyone else commenting on it around here actually picking up a rifle to protect anything else.

The primary purpose is for domestic tranquility of self-governing persons practicing civic virtue in a free and open society. It is intended to keep the military power subordinate to the civilian power, and for the defense of individuals, families, and communities from acts of lawlessness perpetrated by others from within or without the government/state. It was also intended for duly elected executives to draw from a body of men during times of need and activate them to appropriate status -- deputies, an irregular militia, or as authorized military. Originally it was conceived to be more like how Switzerland organizes itself into a Citizens' militia.

In every State the political power resides in the people as individuals. This includes the right to police oneself. In all jurisdictions the police draw their power from that right to collectively police their respective jurisdictions as peace officers. The main problem since the 20th Century is that this has further been augmented by State legislation and Court adjudication that requires police to be law enforcement first and in many cases instead of being peace officers. In such a case the Citizens might have to lawfully defend themselves against rogue agents, bureaucrats acting in bad faith malfeasance, and local governments who have gone full despot, and arrest the miscreants themselves.

I think we'd be better off with a Swiss style conscription and the National Guard being made up of a "Citizen's militia". What does everyone else think?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The primary purpose is for domestic tranquility of self-governing persons practicing civic virtue in a free and open society. It is intended to keep the military power subordinate to the civilian power, and for the defense of individuals, families, and communities from acts of lawlessness perpetrated by others from within or without the government/state. It was also intended for duly elected executives to draw from a body of men during times of need and activate them to appropriate status -- deputies, an irregular militia, or as authorized military. Originally it was conceived to be more like how Switzerland organizes itself into a Citizens' militia.

In every State the political power resides in the people as individuals. This includes the right to police oneself. In all jurisdictions the police draw their power from that right to collectively police their respective jurisdictions as peace officers. The main problem since the 20th Century is that this has further been augmented by State legislation and Court adjudication that requires police to be law enforcement first and in many cases instead of being peace officers. In such a case the Citizens might have to lawfully defend themselves against rogue agents, bureaucrats acting in bad faith malfeasance, and local governments who have gone full despot, and arrest the miscreants themselves.

I think we'd be better off with a Swiss style conscription and the National Guard being made up of a "Citizen's militia". What does everyone else think?

Conscription is flatly worse in almost every way than a volunteer military tbh.

[Tarsonis]

I think we'd be better off with a Swiss style conscription and the National Guard being made up of a "Citizen's militia". What does everyone else think?

Conscription is flatly worse in almost every way than a volunteer military tbh.

*Russia didn't like that*

[The Jamesian Republic]

Conscription is flatly worse in almost every way than a volunteer military tbh.

*Russia didn't like that*

Russia doesn’t like many things.

[Tarsonis]

But only half as much as your devotion to not knowing jack shit about the subject and refusing to listen to those who do.

Trying to pretend trivia is a delineating factor in the conversation is threadbare.

How do I put this in a way you'll relate to.

Imagine a person who has never seen a movie before, hysterically screaming that Ed Wood was the greatest director whoever lived, and calling everybody who disagrees stupid.

That's essentially what San is doing here in relation to guns.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Conscription is flatly worse in almost every way than a volunteer military tbh.

*Russia didn't like that*

One certainly has to wonder how differently Russia's escapades would have gone if they'd fully done everything Serdyukov wanted and shifted to a smaller and more professional all volunteer army with an actually functional NCO corps.

[The Black Forrest]

DeSantis is a Cheney protegeé and learned under him.

He effectively is turning Florida in a model what he plans later for entire US, and he knows how to use law and administrative bureaucracy and has full support of the state security agencies.

If he wins in 2024, expect mass arrests, round ups of whoever new administration deems woke or un-american. Countless activists, college professors, students and NGO affiliated people will be rounded up.

He is a like a real life Frank Underwood.

Nooooo. Thank god he isn’t. Frank was an astute dangerous snake. Ronnie is only concerned with the superficial.

[Tarsonis]

*Russia didn't like that*

One certainly has to wonder how differently Russia's escapades would have gone if they'd fully done everything Serdyukov wanted and shifted to a smaller and more professional all volunteer army with an actually functional NCO corps.

They probably would have been successful with that 3 day plan

[Zurkerx]

First Tennessee legislator(Justin Jones of Nashville) expelled 72-25

Oddly, the second vote failed to expel Democratic Rep. Gloria Johnson. That was 65-30. Either way, this seems to a brazened abuse of power.

The third and final vote came in, and Democrat Rep. Justin Pearson has been removed in a 69-26 vote, joining Rep. Justin Jones. Both men are black while the second vote against Gloria Johnson, failed by a margin of just one vote; they needed 66. She's a white female.

While the trio of Democrats did acknowledged that they did break certain chamber rules, the move is considered unprecedented and undemocratic, which we've seen members in other State Legislatures break rules like this, but never were they removed. It's a chilly message: if Republicans control a super majority in other States, it's not to say they'll do the same thing too.

Btw, back in 2018 when David Byrd, a Republican who was accused of sexual assault for his actions back in the 1980s, never was removed because the TN Speaker of the House refused to do so. That is Speaker Sexton, who said the protestors are “maybe even worse” than the January 6 insurrectionists. Yes, this is what the GOP has become. Some Republicans are calling those three Democrats and the protests they participated am "insurrection" which is completely inaccurate.

[Urkennalaid]

You can't say that something isn't dictatorial cause legislature voted on it. Expusling three Dems for protesting when they didn't even do anything violent is absolutely undemocratic. There's been plenty off far right dictatorial governments thats voted on absolutely barbaric things.

[The Black Forrest]

I am going to ask you one last time and then i'm done trying.

Only took three years.

And he won’t. He will stop for a little while…maybe…then see some comment and the copy/paste comments start all over again.

[The Black Forrest]

Blame the Dems for hating guns

Pretty much. People keep asking why gun owners don't rally to the side of the Dems or leftists whenever something bad happens to them but no shit they're not gonna risk life and limb for you when you'll turn around and try to restrict their rights lol. Dems made enemies of gun owners, you can't expect them to come rushing to your aid after spending decades trying to roll back every single compromise ever made and constantly find new things to ban.

LOL. So safety from bad people is only for gun owners eh? Not really helping your side.

Tell us again how you need them to protect your family; keep the government in check, blah blah blah.