American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[Fartsniffage]

Uh huh.

Nobody denies they happened before the 1990s, but that is when they became a common occurrence. Before that, based on the source, there were a handful per decade before suddenly spiking massively in the early 1990s and continuing to this day.

There's no shortage of reasons this could be attributed to, the drug war, collapsing family units, overprescription of drugs etc etc, but the evidence is very clear the FAWB did nothing to prevent this from happening.

Those things happened outside the US. And there isn't such a jump in school massacres.

Maybe time to think what other things would contribute. Maybe it's the Mexicans.

[The Astral Mandate]

Ah yes, the basic human right to be able to kill people instantly at range.

Well, we're not quite there yet, but progress is progress

You know what I mean.

[Deblar]

But only half as much as your devotion to not knowing jack shit about the subject and refusing to listen to those who do.

I do not care what you say I don't know. I am sick and tied of hearing about children being shredded in schools. This happens nowhere else in the world on a regular basis. Just ban assault weapons and if the gun lobby and 2A people don't like it I don't care. The number of shootings went up after the ban expired but that's a fact you chose to ignore.

Aren’t most mass shootings done with handguns and not assault rifles? So what would an assault weapons ban do?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nobody denies they happened before the 1990s, but that is when they became a common occurrence. Before that, based on the source, there were a handful per decade before suddenly spiking massively in the early 1990s and continuing to this day.

There's no shortage of reasons this could be attributed to, the drug war, collapsing family units, overprescription of drugs etc etc, but the evidence is very clear the FAWB did nothing to prevent this from happening.

Those things happened outside the US. And there isn't such a jump in school massacres.

Maybe time to think what other things would contribute. Maybe it's the Mexicans.

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

[The Astral Mandate]

Those things happened outside the US. And there isn't such a jump in school massacres.

Maybe time to think what other things would contribute. Maybe it's the Mexicans.

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

This part of the world, as a whole, is an outlier. (kinda)

[Eahland]

Uh huh.

Nobody denies they happened before the 1990s, but that is when they became a common occurrence. Before that, based on the source, there were a handful per decade before suddenly spiking massively in the early 1990s and continuing to this day.

There's no shortage of reasons this could be attributed to, the drug war, collapsing family units, overprescription of drugs etc etc, but the evidence is very clear the FAWB did nothing to prevent this from happening.

I dunno about you, but I tend to think that things have become "distinct social phenomena" when there are hit pop songs about them.

[Senkaku]

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

This part of the world, as a whole, is an outlier. (kinda)

What are the US, much of Latin America, and some of the Caribbean islands all part of together that could explain this?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nobody denies they happened before the 1990s, but that is when they became a common occurrence. Before that, based on the source, there were a handful per decade before suddenly spiking massively in the early 1990s and continuing to this day.

There's no shortage of reasons this could be attributed to, the drug war, collapsing family units, overprescription of drugs etc etc, but the evidence is very clear the FAWB did nothing to prevent this from happening.

I dunno about you, but I tend to think that things have become "distinct social phenomena" when there are hit pop songs about them.

I'd hesitate to call something that didn't even break the top 70 a huge hit Brits loved it a lot more than we did for whatever reason.

[Vassenor]

I see we're back to "dead kids are acceptable losses" crap again.

Because people are just that callous when their toys Basic human rights are threatened.

FTFY

Still waiting for you to prove it's a human right rather than just pretending it's one so you can play at being oppressed because some people consider human lives more important than your toys.

[Vassenor]

Those things happened outside the US. And there isn't such a jump in school massacres.

Maybe time to think what other things would contribute. Maybe it's the Mexicans.

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

So when was the last mass shooting in the UK? Or does that not count as the western hemisphere?

[Fartsniffage]

Those things happened outside the US. And there isn't such a jump in school massacres.

Maybe time to think what other things would contribute. Maybe it's the Mexicans.

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

Maybe time to figure out why it happens in your part of the world. Lots of dead kids isn't cool.

[American Legionaries]

FTFY

Still waiting for you to prove it's a human right rather than just pretending it's one so you can play at being oppressed because some people consider human lives more important than your toys.

Still waiting for you to prove it isn't a human right rather than just pretending it isn't to justify your advocacy for oppressing millions and using less than one-hundredth of one percent of school children as your scapegoat.

[Senkaku]

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

So when was the last mass shooting in the UK? Or does that not count as the western hemisphere?

I mean, how often do you hear people say “western hemisphere” in reference to the Americas and just the parts of the UK & mainland Europe & Africa west of Greenwich?

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

Maybe time to figure out why it happens in your part of the world. Lots of dead kids isn't cool.

We know why it happens and we’re planning to export it!

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

So when was the last mass shooting in the UK? Or does that not count as the western hemisphere?

When used colloquially "western hemisphere" generally refers to North and South America collectively, such is the case here.

[American Legionaries]

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

So when was the last mass shooting in the UK? Or does that not count as the western hemisphere?

Essex: Am I a joke to you?

[Vassenor]

Also where was this outrage at conservative commentators suggesting trans people should have guns taken away after the Nashville shooting?

[American Legionaries]

Also where was this outrage at conservative commentators suggesting trans people should have guns taken away after the Nashville shooting?

Literally fucking everywhere, lol.

[Balmor]

Still waiting for you to prove it's a human right rather than just pretending it's one so you can play at being oppressed because some people consider human lives more important than your toys.

Still waiting for you to prove it isn't a human right rather than just pretending it isn't to justify your advocacy for oppressing millions and using less than one-hundredth of one percent of school children as your scapegoat.

I think the burden of proof is on you, since you're claiming they shouldn't be banned because it's a human right. No one is saying they should be banned because they aren't a human right. They're saying it because people are using them to commit mass acts of violence. How is owning an assault rifle a human right?

Also this fixation on school shootings specifically is being used as a way to minimize the actual scope of the violence that is going on. Mass shootings happen in America often in public areas outside of schools too using these weapons. And no, it's not all just gang violence.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbqh gun violence and mass shootings and such things aren't particularly rare in the western hemisphere. The only countries I can think of where they don't happen fairly frequently are Canada, Cuba and a couple of the other Carribean island nations (which are split between some of the least violent and most violent places on the entire planet, strangely), maybe Chile. We're not particularly an outlier for this part of the world.

Maybe time to figure out why it happens in your part of the world. Lots of dead kids isn't cool.

End the drug war and invest in fixing our communities? Preposterous.

[United Calanworie]

DeSantis has the 13 year old son of the Florida COVID whistleblower arrested on “digital terrorism” charges.
https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/status/1 ... 7900145665

[American Legionaries]

Still waiting for you to prove it isn't a human right rather than just pretending it isn't to justify your advocacy for oppressing millions and using less than one-hundredth of one percent of school children as your scapegoat.

I think the burden of proof is on you, since you're claiming they shouldn't be banned because it's a human right. No one is saying they should be banned because they aren't a human right. They're saying it because people are using them to commit mass acts of violence. How is owning an assault rifle a human right?

Also this fixation on school shootings specifically is being used as a way to minimize the actual scope of the violence that is going on. Mass shootings happen in America often in public areas outside of schools too using these weapons. And no, it's not all just gang violence.

I think you've missed the point entirely

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbh though at this point I'm not even sure that full stop ending the drug war would even have a large impact on things in this part of the world. It would in the US and would go a long way towards letting us start fixing things, definitely, but it's hard to see Mexico or Central America getting better. Groups like CJNG have, in a lot of ways, supplanted the role of the state in several areas and expanded into a lot more industries than just drugs. I'm not sure what the answer is on that front, but it's not gonna be easy no matter what it is.

[Valrifall]

Tbh though at this point I'm not even sure that full stop ending the drug war would even have a large impact on things in this part of the world. It would in the US and would go a long way towards letting us start fixing things, definitely, but it's hard to see Mexico or Central America getting better. Groups like CJNG have, in a lot of ways, supplanted the role of the state in several areas and expanded into a lot more industries than just drugs. I'm not sure what the answer is on that front, but it's not gonna be easy no matter what it is.

The solution is simple, finish the Mexican American War the way god intended.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Tbh though at this point I'm not even sure that full stop ending the drug war would even have a large impact on things in this part of the world. It would in the US and would go a long way towards letting us start fixing things, definitely, but it's hard to see Mexico or Central America getting better. Groups like CJNG have, in a lot of ways, supplanted the role of the state in several areas and expanded into a lot more industries than just drugs. I'm not sure what the answer is on that front, but it's not gonna be easy no matter what it is.

The solution is simple, finish the Mexican American War the way god intended.

Based, add 31 more states to the Union. There is no way this could go wrong.

[Senkaku]

Tbh though at this point I'm not even sure that full stop ending the drug war would even have a large impact on things in this part of the world. It would in the US and would go a long way towards letting us start fixing things, definitely, but it's hard to see Mexico or Central America getting better. Groups like CJNG have, in a lot of ways, supplanted the role of the state in several areas and expanded into a lot more industries than just drugs. I'm not sure what the answer is on that front, but it's not gonna be easy no matter what it is.

The idea that Mexico and Central America are somehow separate aspects of the drug war is part of the problem. Groups like CJNG or Sinaloa haven’t “supplanted” the state, they’re inside the state, insofar as they even can be discerned to exist separately from it, and not just on that side of the Rio Grande. They haven’t just expanded into other industries, they’ve created entire industries (again, on both sides of the border). No regime ends a war whose material spoils help sustain it, whose campaigns give it public legitimacy, and whose casualties are at acceptably low levels, both in the sense of numbers and in the sense of being concentrated among the lower classes. No regime ends a war if peace could open the door to forms of truth and reconciliation that would fatally undermine its ruling establishment.

Tbh though at this point I'm not even sure that full stop ending the drug war would even have a large impact on things in this part of the world. It would in the US and would go a long way towards letting us start fixing things, definitely, but it's hard to see Mexico or Central America getting better. Groups like CJNG have, in a lot of ways, supplanted the role of the state in several areas and expanded into a lot more industries than just drugs. I'm not sure what the answer is on that front, but it's not gonna be easy no matter what it is.

The solution is simple, finish the Mexican American War the way god intended.

Not funny!