American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[Necroghastia]

Weed is legal in lots of states. Is it legal federally?

Shit I can't believe I forgot that one, it's probably the biggest example of the trend. We're over 20 states now that have it legalized for recreational usage, yet it's still a pretty serious offense federally.

The funniest part is that DC itself is one of the places where it is legal (albeit one is still unable to have it on the actual federal properties like the national mall).

[American Legionaries]

Yes, try actually reading all of that now. It's a response and expansion to what Port Caverton said to ABH asking about the 2A, which should have been very plainly obvious. I think a kid being arrested for memes is dumb even if they vaguely can be considered "terroristic threats" if you squint hard enough, but ABH brought up a point that several people have over the past few years and it's still very silly. No shit gun owners aren't going to rush to defend the Dems, it's like asking why the ACLU no longer supports far right groups in free speech cases. At a certain point you realize that supporting your enemies is really dumb, even if it makes you inconsistent in your beliefs.



Aren't there even publicly traded companies on Wall Street now for marijuana, despite it being illegal federally? How does this even work legally at this point? You can be arrested for it but you can invest in it?

Yeah, tried to infest in it, but the lack of federal legislation makes the market unpredictable, so the stocks aren't a great investment unless youre looking very long term.

*Not financial advice.

Same, prices seem to be going up rapidly, and then tank because a DEA agent sneezed.

[Tarsonis]

Cool.

Your shameful devotion to stupid pieces of metal is utterly and completely pathetic.

But only half as much as your devotion to not knowing jack shit about the subject and refusing to listen to those who do.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Shit I can't believe I forgot that one, it's probably the biggest example of the trend. We're over 20 states now that have it legalized for recreational usage, yet it's still a pretty serious offense federally.

The funniest part is that DC itself is one of the places where it is legal (albeit one is still unable to have it on the actual federal properties like the national mall).

Wiki tells me it's legal in Virginia too, where the DEA is headquartered. What an obnoxiously complex series of laws.

[American Legionaries]

The funniest part is that DC itself is one of the places where it is legal (albeit one is still unable to have it on the actual federal properties like the national mall).

Wiki tells me it's legal in Virginia too, where the DEA is headquartered. What an obnoxiously complex series of laws.

Isn't America grand?

[The Astral Mandate]

Wiki tells me it's legal in Virginia too, where the DEA is headquartered. What an obnoxiously complex series of laws.

Isn't America grand?

You mean Am*rica?

[San Lumen]

Your shameful devotion to stupid pieces of metal is utterly and completely pathetic.

But only half as much as your devotion to not knowing jack shit about the subject and refusing to listen to those who do.

I do not care what you say I don't know. I am sick and tied of hearing about children being shredded in schools. This happens nowhere else in the world on a regular basis. Just ban assault weapons and if the gun lobby and 2A people don't like it I don't care. The number of shootings went up after the ban expired but that's a fact you chose to ignore.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No shit gun owners aren't going to rush to defend the Dems, it's like asking why the ACLU no longer supports far right groups in free speech cases. At a certain point you realize that supporting your enemies is really dumb, even if it makes you inconsistent in your beliefs.

And my point is that this doesn’t “make you inconsistent in your beliefs,” it just highlights your actual beliefs. The reality is that this self-aggrandizing rhetoric about needing an armed populace to resist potential state tyranny has always been bullshit, and it’s simply a bunch of amoral arms dealers inventing justifications for their trade that will play on TV with the dumbest 40% of Americans, without a care in the world for actual tyranny. The Dems are, as you say, your enemies, because they’re a clear economic threat to you, whereas DeSantis’s child kidnapping is tolerable, because it isn’t.

I'm not even speaking about me lol, I'm just talking in terms of broad groups and why they react or don't react to certain things. I'm quite open that I make most of my money from things other than guns nowadays, at this point I just keep the FFL as a side gig and so I can freely make anything I want on form 2s. It's just a simple fact nowadays that nobody goes to bat for their enemies anymore, it's why even groups that were supposed to be apolitical and act to defend everyones rights (the ACLU, for example) are purely partisan and align entirely with one party nowadays.

I would say try reading again but given you say I find child kidnapping tolerable in response to a post where I explicitly said the arrest was dumb, I don't have high hopes you'd do it.

But only half as much as your devotion to not knowing jack shit about the subject and refusing to listen to those who do.

I do not care what you say I don't know. I am sick and tied of hearing about children being shredded in schools. This happens nowhere else in the world on a regular basis. Just ban assault weapons and if the gun lobby and 2A people don't like it I don't care. The number of shootings went up after the ban expired but that's a fact you chose to ignore.

Mass shootings first became a distinct social phenomena during the federal assault weapons ban. How do you explain that?

[Fartsniffage]

But only half as much as your devotion to not knowing jack shit about the subject and refusing to listen to those who do.

I do not care what you say I don't know. I am sick and tied of hearing about children being shredded in schools. This happens nowhere else in the world on a regular basis. Just ban assault weapons and if the gun lobby and 2A people don't like it I don't care. The number of shootings went up after the ban expired but that's a fact you chose to ignore.

It's the price you pay for freedom San Lumen. Also some guy killed some kids in a school in Brasil with a knife yesterday. So suck it up.

[The Astral Mandate]

I do not care what you say I don't know. I am sick and tied of hearing about children being shredded in schools. This happens nowhere else in the world on a regular basis. Just ban assault weapons and if the gun lobby and 2A people don't like it I don't care. The number of shootings went up after the ban expired but that's a fact you chose to ignore.

It's the price you pay for freedom San Lumen. Also some guy killed some kids in a school in Brasil yesterday. So suck it up.

But how often does it happen? The key term is "on a regular basis"

[American Legionaries]

I do not care what you say I don't know. I am sick and tied of hearing about children being shredded in schools. This happens nowhere else in the world on a regular basis. Just ban assault weapons and if the gun lobby and 2A people don't like it I don't care. The number of shootings went up after the ban expired but that's a fact you chose to ignore.

It's the price you pay for freedom San Lumen. Also some guy killed some kids in a school in Brasil with a knife yesterday. So suck it up.

This, but unironically.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's the price you pay for freedom San Lumen. Also some guy killed some kids in a school in Brasil yesterday. So suck it up.

But how often does it happen? The key term is "on a regular basis"

A quick search online says Brazil has had two school shootings in the past six months, a rate that isn't very dissimilar to the US if using the FBIs stats.

[The Astral Mandate]

Are you sure that's right?

[Fartsniffage]

Are you sure that's right?

That's a year old.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Are you sure that's right?

Very sure, yes. The FBI actually only counts real school shootings, not the hilariously overinflated propaganda number which includes such wonderful examples as "cops killed an armed gang member who happened to run on school grounds after hours" and other such things as "school shootings".

[The Astral Mandate]

Are you sure that's right?

That's a year old.

Ok then:
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/schoo ... re/2023/01

[Vassenor]

I see we're back to "dead kids are acceptable losses" crap again.

Because people are just that callous when their toys are threatened.

[Eahland]

I do not care what you say I don't know. I am sick and tied of hearing about children being shredded in schools. This happens nowhere else in the world on a regular basis. Just ban assault weapons and if the gun lobby and 2A people don't like it I don't care. The number of shootings went up after the ban expired but that's a fact you chose to ignore.

Mass shootings first became a distinct social phenomena during the federal assault weapons ban. How do you explain that?

Uh huh.

[Fartsniffage]

I see we're back to "dead kids are acceptable losses" crap again.

Because people are just that callous when their toys are threatened.

Dead kids are good fertiliser. The main issue is not using grave yards to produce crops.

[American Legionaries]

I see we're back to "dead kids are acceptable losses" crap again.

Because people are just that callous when their toys Basic human rights are threatened.

FTFY

[Washington Resistance Army]

Mass shootings first became a distinct social phenomena during the federal assault weapons ban. How do you explain that?

Uh huh.

Nobody denies they happened before the 1990s, but that is when they became a common occurrence. Before that, based on the source, there were a handful per decade before suddenly spiking massively in the early 1990s and continuing to this day.

There's no shortage of reasons this could be attributed to, the drug war, collapsing family units, overprescription of drugs etc etc, but the evidence is very clear the FAWB did nothing to prevent this from happening.

[Fartsniffage]

Are you sure that's right?

Very sure, yes. The FBI actually only counts real school shootings, not the hilariously overinflated propaganda number which includes such wonderful examples as "cops killed an armed gang member who happened to run on school grounds after hours" and other such things as "school shootings".

Why do you think a gang member should be shot? People are people.

[The Astral Mandate]

I see we're back to "dead kids are acceptable losses" crap again.

Because people are just that callous when their toys Basic human rights are threatened.

FTFY

Ah yes, the basic human right to be able to kill people instantly at range.

[Senkaku]

And my point is that this doesn’t “make you inconsistent in your beliefs,” it just highlights your actual beliefs. The reality is that this self-aggrandizing rhetoric about needing an armed populace to resist potential state tyranny has always been bullshit, and it’s simply a bunch of amoral arms dealers inventing justifications for their trade that will play on TV with the dumbest 40% of Americans, without a care in the world for actual tyranny. The Dems are, as you say, your enemies, because they’re a clear economic threat to you, whereas DeSantis’s child kidnapping is tolerable, because it isn’t.

I'm not even speaking about me lol, I'm just talking in terms of broad groups and why they react or don't react to certain things.

People’s explanations for why they believe broad groups react or don’t react to certain things are often very revealing of their own political attitudes, I’m sure you would agree.

I'm quite open that I make most of my money from things other than guns nowadays, at this point I just keep the FFL as a side gig and so I can freely make anything I want on form 2s.

Do you want a gold star or something? Am I being a big ol’ meanie for still saying “arms dealer”? Is there not still an economic incentive at work here, both for you specifically and for the broad groups whose reactions you’re so helpfully explaining to all of us?

It's just a simple fact nowadays that nobody goes to bat for their enemies anymore, it's why even groups that were supposed to be apolitical and act to defend everyones rights (the ACLU, for example) are purely partisan and align entirely with one party nowadays.

Leaving aside the silly drive-by attempts to divert the topic onto the ACLU, I’m saying the way you (or, sorry, this “broad group” who you’re just talking about generally) identify who is an “enemy” is reflective of primarily mercenary concerns, rather than the official propaganda about being saurrrr concerned with having an armed populace to resist tyranny. Wanting to keep your property or your business is a very common reason for identifying someone as a political enemy and for being willing to tolerate their repression, but when the repression starts you can’t expect me to just nod along with absurd PR about how the movement is against all forms of state repression. This isn’t just an “inconsistency” flowing from recent polarization, it’s the ideological bedrock not only of the 2A movement but of most industry lobbies posing as mass movements.

I would say try reading again but given you say I find child kidnapping tolerable in response to a post where I explicitly said the arrest was dumb,

You’re saying “the arrest was dumb,” while at the same time shrugging and advancing this rationalization that Democrats are gun owners’ (and by extension, 2A’s/freedom’s) biggest enemies, so of course it’s natural that they wouldn’t react to tyrannical state action against Democrats. No one ever comes out and says “I FIND CHILD KIDNAPPING TOLERABLE” lmao, but that’s the conclusion of what you’ve written: Democrats are gun owners’ enemies, so their children being kidnapped by the state is something which invites no reaction— that is to say, it’s tolerable!

I don't have high hopes you'd do it.

Probably higher than my hopes anyone here would ever proofread before hitting “submit,” just to check what they’re actually aligning themselves with.

[American Legionaries]

FTFY

Ah yes, the basic human right to be able to kill people instantly at range.

Well, we're not quite there yet, but progress is progress