American Politics: The Speaker's Cornered

[Incelastan]

I never keep recordings a secret, dude. And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. It's not that all women would, but that they all could, that is the issue. That they have the ability and society has condoned that kind of disgusting behavior as libel and slander. There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted. I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

Then again, it's April Fool's Day, so perhaps you meant your hyperbole as a joke.

The opinions of your typical male who doesn't understand consent at all. Pshaw

That is such an absurd claim that I will simply you on foe list and leave you alone due to your persistent and willful ignorance and bigotry. Besides, we're supposed to be back on topic. Good day, sir, and goodbye.

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

The opinions of your typical male who doesn't understand consent at all. Pshaw

That is such an absurd claim that I will simply you on foe list and leave you alone due to your persistent and willful ignorance and bigotry. Besides, we're supposed to be back on topic. Good day, sir, and goodbye.

What about connections to far right and suicides?

[What is the world really]

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 12119.html Former New Castle county council member to continue the presidential tradition of not going to British Coronations.

[The Archregimancy]

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/joe-biden-king-charles-coronation-b2312119.html Former New Castle county council member to continue the presidential tradition of not going to British Coronations.

There have only been seven British coronations since George Washington became the first US president in 1789. For reference, those were:

George IV in July 1821 (president: James Monroe)

William IV in September 1831 (president: Andrew Jackson)

Victoria in June 1838 (president: Martin Van Buren)

Edward VII in August 1902 (president: Theodore Roosevelt)

George V in June 1911 (president: William Howard Taft)

George VI in May 1937 (president: Franklin Roosevelt)

Elizabeth II in June 1953 (president: Dwight Eisenhower)

However, this is misleading. The first US president to leave the United States while in office was Theodore Rooselvelt in 1906 (to inspect progress on the construction of the Panama Canal). Taft and Harding made a single visit each to Mexico. The first US president to leave North America while in office was Wilson, who made two trips to Europe in the aftermath of the First World War in 1918-19. Harding then made a single visit while in office to Canada, while Coolidge made a single visit to Cuba. Hoover made no foreign visits.

So the concept that the US president might make regular trips outside the United States while in office only really began with Franklin Roosevelt; even before the Second World War, he had made roughly 20 trips outside the US while president. It's fair to note that many of these were vacations, but even so he had already made a significant break with precedent even before his 1943 trips to Casablanca, Egypt, and Iran for Second World War summits.

Since Roosevelt, every US president has made multiple international visits, but it's worth stressing in this context that this is a recent phenomenon that only really dates to 1933.

So, looking at this differently, there have been only three coronations since Theodore Roosevelt's first overseas trip as US president in 1906, only two coronations (in 1937 and 1953) since Franklin Roosevelt's presidency initiated the concept that a US president might travel regularly overseas, and only one coronation (in 1953) since the Second World War and the era of regular non-conflict-related visits of US presidents outside of the Western Hemisphere.

On that basis, there isn't a 'presidential tradition' of not visiting coronations; it's simply that there's barely been any opportunity for a US president to take advantage of an invitation even if one had been issued. Eisenhower is the only US president where there might have been a reasonable expectation of accepting an invitation to the coronation (not least because of his wartime role) who said no. And an Eisenhower attended the coronation, even if it wasn't the Eisenhower; one of the horses drawing the state coach was named after the US president (and former allied supreme commander in Western Europe).

Short version: there is no 'tradition' that a US president won't attend a coronation; most simply didn't have the opportunity.

[North Jus Intius]

If there were another republican who might actually get elected he would face an indictment as well.

Sure. If he did anything hanky; broke rules or the law.

So like, massively abusing government power, breaking his own state constitution, and likely to literally drain the swamp at some point in the future? This while being delusional enough to believe he actually has any chance of winning an election at all? I don't want to be ablist, but after a while, the crocodiles are going to get angrier than the alligators.

[Haganham]

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/joe-biden-king-charles-coronation-b2312119.html Former New Castle county council member to continue the presidential tradition of not going to British Coronations.

There have only been seven British coronations since George Washington became the first US president in 1789. For reference, those were:

George IV in July 1821 (president: James Monroe)

William IV in September 1831 (president: Andrew Jackson)

Victoria in June 1838 (president: Martin Van Buren)

Edward VII in August 1902 (president: Theodore Roosevelt)

George V in June 1911 (president: William Howard Taft)

George VI in May 1937 (president: Franklin Roosevelt)

Elizabeth II in June 1953 (president: Dwight Eisenhower)

However, this is misleading. The first US president to leave the United States while in office was Theodore Rooselvelt in 1906 (to inspect progress on the construction of the Panama Canal). Taft and Harding made a single visit each to Mexico. The first US president to leave North America while in office was Wilson, who made two trips to Europe in the aftermath of the First World War in 1918-19. Harding then made a single visit while in office to Canada, while Coolidge made a single visit to Cuba. Hoover made no foreign visits.

So the concept that the US president might make regular trips outside the United States while in office only really began with Franklin Roosevelt; even before the Second World War, he had made roughly 20 trips outside the US while president. It's fair to note that many of these were vacations, but even so he had already made a significant break with precedent even before his 1943 trips to Casablanca, Egypt, and Iran for Second World War summits.

Since Roosevelt, every US president has made multiple international visits, but it's worth stressing in this context that this is a recent phenomenon that only really dates to 1933.

So, looking at this differently, there have been only three coronations since Theodore Roosevelt's first overseas trip as US president in 1906, only two coronations (in 1937 and 1953) since Franklin Roosevelt's presidency initiated the concept that a US president might travel regularly overseas, and only one coronation (in 1953) since the Second World War and the era of regular non-conflict-related visits of US presidents outside of the Western Hemisphere.

On that basis, there isn't a 'presidential tradition' of not visiting coronations; it's simply that there's barely been any opportunity for a US president to take advantage of an invitation even if one had been issued. Eisenhower is the only US president where there might have been a reasonable expectation of accepting an invitation to the coronation (not least because of his wartime role) who said no. And an Eisenhower attended the coronation, even if it wasn't the Eisenhower; one of the horses drawing the state coach was named after the US president (and former allied supreme commander in Western Europe).

Short version: there is no 'tradition' that a US president won't attend a coronation; most simply didn't have the opportunity.

So we can expect a horse named Biden?

[North Jus Intius]

The opinions of your typical male who doesn't understand consent at all. Pshaw

That is such an absurd claim that I will simply you on foe list and leave you alone due to your persistent and willful ignorance and bigotry. Besides, we're supposed to be back on topic. Good day, sir, and goodbye.

Bigotry against misogynists? You must be joking. Tell me you're joking.

[Cannot think of a name]

I never keep recordings a secret, dude.

Sure seems like you shouldn't have a job if you're routinely telling your colleagues that you feel the need to record your interactions with women to prevent them from making false accusations of sexual harassment against you. Either you're lying, which isn't hard to believe, or your workplace is really, really terrible for women. Which is also not hard to believe.

And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted.

But this is just sexist gibberish. There doesn't need to have been a rash of men accusing other men of sexual harassment for you to be accused of sexual harassment by a man. And there could, in fact, be many such accusations being made without your knowledge. You don't believe the data, you tell me, so surely you don't actually know anything about how often sexual harassment accusation are being made or who is making them. Or are you going to tell me that while the "official" data is fake, you somehow have the real data.

I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

The fact that you impose conditions on meetings with women that you do not impose on meetings with men is the very definition of sexism. You are treating your colleagues as if they are completely untrustworthy not based on any action or inaction their part, but solely because they are women and you think that women, in general, cannot be trusted. The fact that you have heard stories about untrustworthy women and based on that mistrust all women that you might work with only further proves that you are being sexist.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

My brother in Christ, internet weirdos have convinced you that half the population are so prone to making false accusations of sexual harassment that you need to record all your meetings with them. I do not think that you are in any position to be complaining about credulity, hasty assumptions, or mass hysteria.

Man, they even get in my head. I occasionally find myself wondering how I'd 'protect myself' from an accusation and then think, "When the fuck is that ever going to happen and why? Why do I even think this is nec-oh, right. Sketchy dudes on the internet..."

[Cannot think of a name]

Oh I just realized this is the American politics thread. Bizarre views of sexual harassment claims really don’t belong here.

Ah fuck me, I actually started to think i was in that weird polygamy thread again.

[North Jus Intius]

Sure seems like you shouldn't have a job if you're routinely telling your colleagues that you feel the need to record your interactions with women to prevent them from making false accusations of sexual harassment against you. Either you're lying, which isn't hard to believe, or your workplace is really, really terrible for women. Which is also not hard to believe.


But this is just sexist gibberish. There doesn't need to have been a rash of men accusing other men of sexual harassment for you to be accused of sexual harassment by a man. And there could, in fact, be many such accusations being made without your knowledge. You don't believe the data, you tell me, so surely you don't actually know anything about how often sexual harassment accusation are being made or who is making them. Or are you going to tell me that while the "official" data is fake, you somehow have the real data.


The fact that you impose conditions on meetings with women that you do not impose on meetings with men is the very definition of sexism. You are treating your colleagues as if they are completely untrustworthy not based on any action or inaction their part, but solely because they are women and you think that women, in general, cannot be trusted. The fact that you have heard stories about untrustworthy women and based on that mistrust all women that you might work with only further proves that you are being sexist.


My brother in Christ, internet weirdos have convinced you that half the population are so prone to making false accusations of sexual harassment that you need to record all your meetings with them. I do not think that you are in any position to be complaining about credulity, hasty assumptions, or mass hysteria.

Man, they even get in my head. I occasionally find myself wondering how I'd 'protect myself' from an accusation and then think, "When the fuck is that ever going to happen and why? Why do I even think this is nec-oh, right. Sketchy dudes on the internet..."

Literally this. Take Tim Pool as an example. Bro seriously can't even imagine how to give a complement without sexually harassing a woman. Just don't sexually harass people?!

[Senkaku]

There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair.

You know, there’s also been a rash of accusations of causing serious skiing accidents, many of them false, as has been clearly shown in the Paltrow/Sanderson affair— how do you suggest men who want to protect themselves go about protecting ourselves from that sort of allegation? Obviously, one celebrity trial proves it’s a widespread cultural phenomenon, so I think we all need to be thinking seriously about this threat.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair.

You know, there’s also been a rash of accusations of causing serious skiing accidents, many of them false, as has been clearly shown in the Paltrow/Sanderson affair— how do you suggest men who want to protect themselves go about protecting ourselves from that sort of allegation? Obviously, one celebrity trial proves it’s a widespread cultural phenomenon, so I think we all need to be thinking seriously about this threat.

I saw that on CNN and cannot for the life of me understand how it constitutes news

[Senkaku]

You know, there’s also been a rash of accusations of causing serious skiing accidents, many of them false, as has been clearly shown in the Paltrow/Sanderson affair— how do you suggest men who want to protect themselves go about protecting ourselves from that sort of allegation? Obviously, one celebrity trial proves it’s a widespread cultural phenomenon, so I think we all need to be thinking seriously about this threat.

I saw that on CNN and cannot for the life of me understand how it constitutes news

News is just whatever people want to watch, what did you think it was?

[Bombadil]

You know, there’s also been a rash of accusations of causing serious skiing accidents, many of them false, as has been clearly shown in the Paltrow/Sanderson affair— how do you suggest men who want to protect themselves go about protecting ourselves from that sort of allegation? Obviously, one celebrity trial proves it’s a widespread cultural phenomenon, so I think we all need to be thinking seriously about this threat.

I saw that on CNN and cannot for the life of me understand how it constitutes news

The whitest court case ever.

[San Lumen]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 070238007/

As Wisconsin braced for tornadoes, Republicans text 'Wisconsin voter alert' complete with emergency tones

[Port Caverton]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/31/republicans-text-wisconsin-voter-alert-election-message/70070238007/

As Wisconsin braced for tornadoes, Republicans text 'Wisconsin voter alert' complete with emergency tones

The GOP is not a party, it is a circus.

[Terra dei Cittadini]

In the American Spectrum, authoritarians, totalitarians and collectivists are on the left.

in case anybody thought this nonsense had some merit
The first people the Nazis collaborated with were conservatives. The people neonazis collaborate with right now are all conservatives and liberals.

Indeed Donald Trump himself went from neoliberalism to happily drawing support from people bearing swastika flags.

THE NAZIS WERE THE ANTITHEISIS OF SOCIALISM.

IF YOU THINK THAT THE NAZI PARTY WAS "LEFTIST" YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN.

Here, have some raw proof form FullFact:

Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”

Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.

The Nazis didn’t create the term “National socialism” themselves; both the left-leaning Czech National Socialist Party and right-leaning Austrian National socialism movement predated the Nazi party in Germany. The term was added to the party’s title in 1920—turning the German Worker’s Party into the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. This, along with their manifesto, was done to appeal to the working classes.

Also, not a single liberal would support the Nazis, let alone Neo-Nazis; if you think liberals are wearing that Swastika armband, do some self-reflection.

[New Goshen]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/31/republicans-text-wisconsin-voter-alert-election-message/70070238007/

As Wisconsin braced for tornadoes, Republicans text 'Wisconsin voter alert' complete with emergency tones

The GOP is not a party, it is a circus.

I have my disagreements with the GOP, but the worst Republicans are better than the best Democrats.

[North Jus Intius]

in case anybody thought this nonsense had some merit
The first people the Nazis collaborated with were conservatives. The people neonazis collaborate with right now are all conservatives and liberals.

Indeed Donald Trump himself went from neoliberalism to happily drawing support from people bearing swastika flags.

THE NAZIS WERE THE ANTITHEISIS OF SOCIALISM.

IF YOU THINK THAT THE NAZI PARTY WAS "LEFTIST" YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN.

Here, have some raw proof form FullFact:

Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology. Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis’ incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, “Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism….Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism”. Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, “Hitler was never a socialist.”

Socialism, for supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, appeared to substitute Marx’s idea of class war with a race one.

The Nazis didn’t create the term “National socialism” themselves; both the left-leaning Czech National Socialist Party and right-leaning Austrian National socialism movement predated the Nazi party in Germany. The term was added to the party’s title in 1920—turning the German Worker’s Party into the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. This, along with their manifesto, was done to appeal to the working classes.

Also, not a single liberal would support the Nazis, let alone Neo-Nazis; if you think liberals are wearing that Swastika armband, do some self-reflection.

While the liberals wouldn't support the Nazis, past or present, they would fall over if fascists rose to power, allowing them to genocide whichever group fits their current fancy.

Before anyone butts in again, there are Nazis in modern day politics. This is on topic. Transgender issues are being forcibly made into a political wedge issue. Transgender healthcare is on topic.

[Port Caverton]

The GOP is not a party, it is a circus.

I have my disagreements with the GOP, but the worst Republicans are better than the best Democrats.

Not when the Republicans keep doing stupid things like this.

[New Goshen]

I have my disagreements with the GOP, but the worst Republicans are better than the best Democrats.

Not when the Republicans keep doing stupid things like this.

I stand by what I said. Biden is the face of the Democratic Party and he believes it is strange when black people are clean and articulate and thinks all 7 Eleven employees speak with an Indian accent. That is, when he is able to think at all. Most of the time, he doesn't know where he is. States violated the Constitution in stealing the election by bypassing the state legislature in allowing mail in ballots. Now we have the real President indicted on nonsensical charges. Bill Clinton wasn't arrested when he committed perjury. America is a banana republic and it is time for states to leave the union.

[Necroghastia]

Not when the Republicans keep doing stupid things like this.

I stand by what I said. Biden is the face of the Democratic Party and he believes it is strange when black people are clean and articulate and thinks all 7 Eleven employees speak with an Indian accent. That is, when he is able to think at all. Most of the time, he doesn't know where he is.

Source?
And yeah, I'm calling bullshit that you actually care about politicians acting offensively.

States violated the Constitution in stealing the election by bypassing the state legislature in allowing mail in ballots. Now we have the real President indicted on nonsensical charges. Bill Clinton wasn't arrested when he committed perjury. America is a banana republic and it is time for states to leave the union.

Oh god, another election denier...

[Cannot think of a name]

Not when the Republicans keep doing stupid things like this.

I stand by what I said. Biden is the face of the Democratic Party and he believes it is strange when black people are clean and articulate and thinks all 7 Eleven employees speak with an Indian accent. That is, when he is able to think at all. Most of the time, he doesn't know where he is. States violated the Constitution in stealing the election by bypassing the state legislature in allowing mail in ballots. Now we have the real President indicted on nonsensical charges. Bill Clinton wasn't arrested when he committed perjury. America is a banana republic and it is time for states to leave the union.

Well...this is already exhausting.

[San Lumen]

Not when the Republicans keep doing stupid things like this.

I stand by what I said. Biden is the face of the Democratic Party and he believes it is strange when black people are clean and articulate and thinks all 7 Eleven employees speak with an Indian accent. That is, when he is able to think at all. Most of the time, he doesn't know where he is. States violated the Constitution in stealing the election by bypassing the state legislature in allowing mail in ballots. Now we have the real President indicted on nonsensical charges. Bill Clinton wasn't arrested when he committed perjury. America is a banana republic and it is time for states to leave the union.

None of this is true. Mail in ballots have existed for years. If the election was stolen then explain to me how only the presidential election was rigged and somehow this massive fraud missed congressional and state legislature elections.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

I saw that on CNN and cannot for the life of me understand how it constitutes news

News is just whatever people want to watch, what did you think it was?

why on earth would anyone want to watch some celebrity and a random guy argue over who pushed who?