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Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:You obviously think that it's women who can't be trusted because you feel the need to make secret recordings when you are alone with women. If this was simple paranoia then you would record your private interactions with everyone, regardless of gender, regardless of whether you're at work or not.

If there was a rash of accusations of male-on-male harassment, that would be a reasonable conclusion on your part. As there isn't such, I'll take your assumptions with the mountain of salt that they deserve. It's neither misogyny nor paranoia. It's realism mixed with cynicism and pessimism. Justified cynicism and pessimism, I might add.

It's paranoia and misogyny. Obviously there are all kinds of accusations of sexual harassment being made all the time, all over the world, that you never hear about. And whether you are accused of sexually harassing someone obviously has nothing to do with whether there has or has not been a "rash" of such accusations. But you only record your interactions with women at the workplace.

Also, what if I was the one sexually harassed? Hypothetical, but possible. Shouldn't I have the means to pursue my case, the evidence to strengthen it? The very fact that I do not fear what a recording might reveal, in any case, shows that I have nothing to hide myself.

Of course you have something to hide. The fact that you're making secret recordings of your interactions with women. That behaviour alone could lose you your job if it comes to light.

As for outside of work, the odds are that I'm already in a public place unless I'm at home. There would be plenty of witnesses.

But sometimes there aren't witnesses. And witnesses aren't always reliable. How strange that your supposedly reasonable cynicism and pessimism disappears once you clock out.

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Incelastan wrote:

Senkaku wrote:oh word? please elaborate for us, what “excesses” and ”corrections of the processes of handling” and which “certain kinds”?

Do I have to spell it out for you? The collapse of due process in harassment cases, especially on college, not to mention how subjective and shifting the definition has become. It needs to be a permanent, static, objective standard, not based upon the latest trends or one's personal butthurt feelings. It needs to be a clear, consistent standard that is immovable and undeniable, period. Objectivity is needed, not subjectivity. It needs to consist of pressure or coercion to perform favors or services or permit acts out of fear of retaliation or something of the sort. And the due process needs to remain effective.

In the meantime, I remain vindicated in my eternal cynicism and pessimism about society. Especially about its imminent collapse.

So because of the collapse of "due process" in college disciplinary proceedings, you secretly record your interactions with women at your workplace, but only at your workplace.

Remember that men are in fact more likely to be the victim of sexual assault by a woman than they are to be the victim of an actual false accusation of sexual assault.

Narland wrote:If you think a shaman carrying a flag and handing out breath mints as he is escorted though the building by capitol police officers makes an insurrection you are sadly mistaken.

And this is the kind of idiotic statement I would expect from a Trumpian like you.

Considering the fact that police were attacked and it was to decertify a valid election by attacking congress to keep Trump in power (in violation of the constitution), your claims about supposedly supporting limited government is the most pathetic bullshit I have ever seen.

You can bitch and moan about how the Democrats are like Hitler or whatever the fuck such "libertarian" nonsense is trendy these days, but it is people like you who could and would support a fascist takeover, despite the mental gymnastics here.

Rusozak wrote:Reminder that the linking of Nazism (aka national socialism) to the left-wing socialists is historical revisionism by the far right to disassociate the Nazis from the far right and turn socialists into even more of a boogeyman, and is by no means made in good faith.

And the people who do that, ironically would be the ones to support Nazism if it was safe and convenient to do so.

So, just so you all know, someone who is antitrans and sees protect trans kids on a sign believes trans rights should be legislated out of existence to protect trans kids from an eternity of hell. This is because the moment they turn eighteen, they magically become predators. Nevermind that Jesus died for their sins, Although, if you want to be technical, he died for the Romans' and Pharisees' sins. It's pure christofascism.

Anyway, I hope you all get to party in celebration of Trump's indictment. This is the first weekend since!

So, in New York, the mugshot of anyone cannot be released unless doing so serves a specific purpose for law enforcement. This law was passed in 2020, but there has been leaks.

Thus, we won't see Trump's unless it is leaked, which will likely happen. I fear this may give Trump the ability to cement himself as an outlaw, possibly making him a folk hero, which has worked time to time in America to help people get elected.

Now, it should be understood that Trump is a well-defined character and it may only work among his base while independents are turned off, but if Trump can fill the void effectively, then we might be in trouble.

Zurkerx wrote:So, in New York, the mugshot of anyone cannot be released unless doing so serves a specific purpose for law enforcement. This law was passed in 2020, but there has been leaks.

Thus, we won't see Trump's unless it is leaked, which will likely happen. I fear this may give Trump the ability to cement himself as an outlaw, possibly making him a folk hero, which has worked time to time in America to help people get elected.

Now, it should be understood that Trump is a well-defined character and it may only work among his base while independents are turned off, but if Trump can fill the void effectively, then we might be in trouble.

A Trump mugshot is honestly something I want leaked just to satisfy my curiosity on what would it look like

Ifreann wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
If there was a rash of accusations of male-on-male harassment, that would be a reasonable conclusion on your part. As there isn't such, I'll take your assumptions with the mountain of salt that they deserve. It's neither misogyny nor paranoia. It's realism mixed with cynicism and pessimism. Justified cynicism and pessimism, I might add.

It's paranoia and misogyny. Obviously there are all kinds of accusations of sexual harassment being made all the time, all over the world, that you never hear about. And whether you are accused of sexually harassing someone obviously has nothing to do with whether there has or has not been a "rash" of such accusations. But you only record your interactions with women at the workplace.

Also, what if I was the one sexually harassed? Hypothetical, but possible. Shouldn't I have the means to pursue my case, the evidence to strengthen it? The very fact that I do not fear what a recording might reveal, in any case, shows that I have nothing to hide myself.

Of course you have something to hide. The fact that you're making secret recordings of your interactions with women. That behaviour alone could lose you your job if it comes to light.

As for outside of work, the odds are that I'm already in a public place unless I'm at home. There would be plenty of witnesses.

But sometimes there aren't witnesses. And witnesses aren't always reliable. How strange that your supposedly reasonable cynicism and pessimism disappears once you clock out.

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Incelastan wrote:
Do I have to spell it out for you? The collapse of due process in harassment cases, especially on college, not to mention how subjective and shifting the definition has become. It needs to be a permanent, static, objective standard, not based upon the latest trends or one's personal butthurt feelings. It needs to be a clear, consistent standard that is immovable and undeniable, period. Objectivity is needed, not subjectivity. It needs to consist of pressure or coercion to perform favors or services or permit acts out of fear of retaliation or something of the sort. And the due process needs to remain effective.

In the meantime, I remain vindicated in my eternal cynicism and pessimism about society. Especially about its imminent collapse.

So because of the collapse of "due process" in college disciplinary proceedings, you secretly record your interactions with women at your workplace, but only at your workplace.

I never keep recordings a secret, dude. And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. It's not that all women would, but that they all could, that is the issue. That they have the ability and society has condoned that kind of disgusting behavior as libel and slander. There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted. I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

Then again, it's April Fool's Day, so perhaps you meant your hyperbole as a joke.

Picairn wrote:"Nazis are socialists" is a braindead argument and "authoritarianism is left-wing" is even more braindead.

That is why a single axis, left vs right, political spectrum is fatally flawed. A second axis, authoritarian vs anarchistic is the minimum needed to accurately position political movements.

Elwher wrote:

Picairn wrote:"Nazis are socialists" is a braindead argument and "authoritarianism is left-wing" is even more braindead.

That is why a single axis, left vs right, political spectrum is fatally flawed. A second axis, authoritarian vs anarchistic is the minimum needed to accurately position political movements.

still not very accurate, honestly.

Incelastan wrote:Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse

god, i fucking wish.

Hispida wrote:

Incelastan wrote:Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse

god, i fucking wish.

Be careful what you wish for....a return to the caves is nothing less than dog eat dog, the very thing that Marxists avowedly oppose.

Incelastan wrote:

Hispida wrote:god, i fucking wish.

Be careful what you wish for....a return to the caves is nothing less than dog eat dog, the very thing that Marxists avowedly oppose.

Meh. It’s the same ol’ nonsense. Society fails; the person wishing it would somehow survive and or be a leader and of course the newer better society will happen.

Blah de blah de blah.

The Black Forrest wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
Be careful what you wish for....a return to the caves is nothing less than dog eat dog, the very thing that Marxists avowedly oppose.

Meh. It’s the same ol’ nonsense. Society fails; the person wishing it would somehow survive and or be a leader and of course the newer better society will happen.

Blah de blah de blah.

I harbor no illusions about society's collapse. I am a dead man in a year if that happens, probably a lot less than that. I require modern medicine to survive.

Incelastan wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:
Meh. It’s the same ol’ nonsense. Society fails; the person wishing it would somehow survive and or be a leader and of course the newer better society will happen.

Blah de blah de blah.

I harbor no illusions about society's collapse. I am a dead man in a year if that happens, probably a lot less than that. I require modern medicine to survive.

Ohhhhh yea that’s bad.

Still I wonder if some of it is simply too many movies and shows on living after the fall of man.

Here; we have doomers and maybe a prepper or two.

Still; are there issues? Of course.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/nation ... 9c8c774cdb

Biden heads to Mississippi town ravaged by deadly tornado

In a statement after the tornado, Biden pledged that the federal government would "do everything we can to help.”

San Lumen wrote:https://www.kgw.com/article/news/nation-world/biden-mississippi-tornado/507-01148bbc-ca6a-498b-9431-3b9c8c774cdb

Biden heads to Mississippi town ravaged by deadly tornado

In a statement after the tornado, Biden pledged that the federal government would "do everything we can to help.”

didn't he call rolling fork "rolling stone"?

Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:It's paranoia and misogyny. Obviously there are all kinds of accusations of sexual harassment being made all the time, all over the world, that you never hear about. And whether you are accused of sexually harassing someone obviously has nothing to do with whether there has or has not been a "rash" of such accusations. But you only record your interactions with women at the workplace.


Of course you have something to hide. The fact that you're making secret recordings of your interactions with women. That behaviour alone could lose you your job if it comes to light.


But sometimes there aren't witnesses. And witnesses aren't always reliable. How strange that your supposedly reasonable cynicism and pessimism disappears once you clock out.

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So because of the collapse of "due process" in college disciplinary proceedings, you secretly record your interactions with women at your workplace, but only at your workplace.

I never keep recordings a secret, dude.

Sure seems like you shouldn't have a job if you're routinely telling your colleagues that you feel the need to record your interactions with women to prevent them from making false accusations of sexual harassment against you. Either you're lying, which isn't hard to believe, or your workplace is really, really terrible for women. Which is also not hard to believe.

And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted.

But this is just sexist gibberish. There doesn't need to have been a rash of men accusing other men of sexual harassment for you to be accused of sexual harassment by a man. And there could, in fact, be many such accusations being made without your knowledge. You don't believe the data, you tell me, so surely you don't actually know anything about how often sexual harassment accusation are being made or who is making them. Or are you going to tell me that while the "official" data is fake, you somehow have the real data.

I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

The fact that you impose conditions on meetings with women that you do not impose on meetings with men is the very definition of sexism. You are treating your colleagues as if they are completely untrustworthy not based on any action or inaction their part, but solely because they are women and you think that women, in general, cannot be trusted. The fact that you have heard stories about untrustworthy women and based on that mistrust all women that you might work with only further proves that you are being sexist.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

My brother in Christ, internet weirdos have convinced you that half the population are so prone to making false accusations of sexual harassment that you need to record all your meetings with them. I do not think that you are in any position to be complaining about credulity, hasty assumptions, or mass hysteria.

Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:It's paranoia and misogyny. Obviously there are all kinds of accusations of sexual harassment being made all the time, all over the world, that you never hear about. And whether you are accused of sexually harassing someone obviously has nothing to do with whether there has or has not been a "rash" of such accusations. But you only record your interactions with women at the workplace.


Of course you have something to hide. The fact that you're making secret recordings of your interactions with women. That behaviour alone could lose you your job if it comes to light.


But sometimes there aren't witnesses. And witnesses aren't always reliable. How strange that your supposedly reasonable cynicism and pessimism disappears once you clock out.

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So because of the collapse of "due process" in college disciplinary proceedings, you secretly record your interactions with women at your workplace, but only at your workplace.

I never keep recordings a secret, dude. And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. It's not that all women would, but that they all could, that is the issue. That they have the ability and society has condoned that kind of disgusting behavior as libel and slander. There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted. I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

Then again, it's April Fool's Day, so perhaps you meant your hyperbole as a joke.

Reminder that the accusations against Depp were proven in court to be substantially true and his argument was that talking about them defamed him.

San Lumen wrote:https://www.kgw.com/article/news/nation-world/biden-mississippi-tornado/507-01148bbc-ca6a-498b-9431-3b9c8c774cdb

Biden heads to Mississippi town ravaged by deadly tornado

In a statement after the tornado, Biden pledged that the federal government would "do everything we can to help.”

The wrath of Nature is evident, yet people persist in delusions of normalcy. We're not on a cruise liner, folks, unless you count the Titanic.

Hispida wrote:

San Lumen wrote:https://www.kgw.com/article/news/nation-world/biden-mississippi-tornado/507-01148bbc-ca6a-498b-9431-3b9c8c774cdb

Biden heads to Mississippi town ravaged by deadly tornado

In a statement after the tornado, Biden pledged that the federal government would "do everything we can to help.”

didn't he call rolling fork "rolling stone"?

He did and he corrected himself. Such a White mans problem eh?

Vassenor wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
I never keep recordings a secret, dude. And it's not misogyny. It's just good sense. It's not that all women would, but that they all could, that is the issue. That they have the ability and society has condoned that kind of disgusting behavior as libel and slander. There has been a rash of accusations going around, many of them false, as has been shown in the Depp/Heard affair. The official fiction that false accusations are rare has been exposed as propaganda and pretense. There has not been a rash of male on male accusations, as noted. I make the recordings a necessary condition of any such meetings ahead of time. If they balk, that is on them. Quit making assumptions.

Then again, as society is on the verge of collapse, I shouldn't expect anything more of people these days. A society in decline is prone to credulity, hasty assumptions, and mass hysteria.

Then again, it's April Fool's Day, so perhaps you meant your hyperbole as a joke.

Reminder that the accusations against Depp were proven in court to be substantially true and his argument was that talking about them defamed him.

Proven where? That show trial in the UK? I don't count that rubbish and neither should you.

Incelastan wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
Reminder that the accusations against Depp were proven in court to be substantially true and his argument was that talking about them defamed him.

Proven where? That show trial in the UK? I don't count that rubbish and neither should you.

Nothing about any of the legal proceedings between these particular individuals has any bearing on your bizarre, paranoid, and misogynist workplace behaviour.