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Trump is apparently supposed to be arraigned on Tuesday, at around 2:15pm EST.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 11934.html

Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs wrote:Trump is apparently supposed to be arraigned on Tuesday, at around 2:15pm EST.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 11934.html

That should be....interesting. I overheard someone yesterday say, "Who am I supposed to vote for now?" I couldn't help but think....not a Republican? But that's probably a stretch with her, as with a lot of neighbors.

Incelastan wrote:

Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs wrote:Trump is apparently supposed to be arraigned on Tuesday, at around 2:15pm EST.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 11934.html

That should be....interesting. I overheard someone yesterday say, "Who am I supposed to vote for now?" I couldn't help but think....not a Republican? But that's probably a stretch with her, as with a lot of neighbors.

Pretty sure Trump will still be able to run as president if he goes to jail, so if he somehow makes it to the polls while serving time, she can still vote for him.

Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
That should be....interesting. I overheard someone yesterday say, "Who am I supposed to vote for now?" I couldn't help but think....not a Republican? But that's probably a stretch with her, as with a lot of neighbors.

Pretty sure Trump will still be able to run as president if he goes to jail, so if he somehow makes it to the polls while serving time, she can still vote for him.

Well, unlike Eugene Debs, I would never vote for him outside of jail, so why would I inside of it?

DeSantis had to make sure people knew Florida will not assist in extradition of Trump. He is such a tool.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indi ... n-florida/

Incelastan wrote:

Ifreann wrote:You obviously think that it's women who can't be trusted because you feel the need to make secret recordings when you are alone with women. If this was simple paranoia then you would record your private interactions with everyone, regardless of gender, regardless of whether you're at work or not.

If there was a rash of accusations of male-on-male harassment, that would be a reasonable conclusion on your part. As there isn't such, I'll take your assumptions with the mountain of salt that they deserve. It's neither misogyny nor paranoia. It's realism mixed with cynicism and pessimism. Justified cynicism and pessimism, I might add.

Also, what if I was the one sexually harassed? Hypothetical, but possible. Shouldn't I have the means to pursue my case, the evidence to strengthen it? The very fact that I do not fear what a recording might reveal, in any case, shows that I have nothing to hide myself.

As for outside of work, the odds are that I'm already in a public place unless I'm at home. There would be plenty of witnesses.

Although I can't say I know how you feel , my friends in class definitely do.See my country is a football crazy nation and thus we follow stories on football players(its called football not soccer) who are increasingly being accused of sexual harasment to rape like Hakimi.When our very own second captain and arsenal midfielder Thomas Partey was accused of some type of sexual harasment(which the nation hugely rejected) by the Morrocan woman he briefly converted to Islam for , many dudes in my class made it clear that they will feel safe talking to a woman they rarely know one-on-one in a place with people or at least CCTV cameras rather than their houses or a place with no CCTV

Trump doing fuzzy math on his finances is something I can believe he'd do.

He does after all have some alleged well established track record for not paying people who rendered services to him and borrows but finds ways to leave lenders holding the bag (it is why all major American banks have banned or won't lend to him), but also not paying the normal taxes because he claims so many losses? It is probably likelier that he did embezzle on some level if his greed and grift seeking is like Eddy's from Ed, Edd, n Eddy?

Why do people suppose it has caught up to him now finally if he had no consequences for so long?

Incelastan wrote:a belief that due process has been greatly weakened by a variety of excesses produced by various misguided, presumably sincere corrections of the processes of handling certain kinds of legal cases.

oh word? please elaborate for us, what “excesses” and ”corrections of the processes of handling” and which “certain kinds”?

Saiwana wrote:Trump doing fuzzy math on his finances is something I can believe he'd do.

He does after all have some alleged well established track record for not paying people who rendered services to him and borrows but finds ways to leave lenders holding the bag (it is why all major American banks have banned or won't lend to him), but also not paying the normal taxes because he claims so many losses? It is probably likelier that he did embezzle on some level if his greed and grift seeking is like Eddy's from Ed, Edd, n Eddy?

Why do people suppose it has caught up to him now finally if he had no consequences for so long?

I think it’s New York who will be presenting 30 indictments over business fraud stuff. If they stick; it will be a feeding frenzy. Trump is going to spend his remaining days being investigated just about everywhere he has business dealings.

Income tax evasion brought down Capone…..hey IIRC Capone retired to Florida as well….hmmm….

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ources-say (Take this source with lots of salt)

"Judge Juan Merchan is the trial judge presiding over the case, which stems from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's investigation into alleged hush money payments Trump made to porn star Stormy Daniels in 2016. Trump is scheduled to be arraigned at 2:15 p.m. in Merchan's courtroom on the 15th floor at 100 Centre Street in New York City."

"The criminal charges against Trump come after a years-long investigation into a $130,000 payment to Daniels and another $150,000 payment to former Playboy model Karen McDougal, allegedly to keep them quiet about alleged sexual liaisons they had with Trump during his first campaign for the presidency. Trump has denied the affairs and any wrongdoing."

"Trump reacted by slamming Bragg for his "obsession" with trying to "get Trump," while warning the move to charge a former president of the United States will "backfire.""

Well this is certainly going to be fun for history book authors 20 years from now lol

Senkaku wrote:

Incelastan wrote:a belief that due process has been greatly weakened by a variety of excesses produced by various misguided, presumably sincere corrections of the processes of handling certain kinds of legal cases.

oh word? please elaborate for us, what “excesses” and ”corrections of the processes of handling” and which “certain kinds”?

Do I have to spell it out for you? The collapse of due process in harassment cases, especially on college, not to mention how subjective and shifting the definition has become. It needs to be a permanent, static, objective standard, not based upon the latest trends or one's personal butthurt feelings. It needs to be a clear, consistent standard that is immovable and undeniable, period. Objectivity is needed, not subjectivity. It needs to consist of pressure or coercion to perform favors or services or permit acts out of fear of retaliation or something of the sort. And the due process needs to remain effective.

In the meantime, I remain vindicated in my eternal cynicism and pessimism about society. Especially about its imminent collapse.

Maybe Trump has finally been gotched.

Incelastan wrote:

Senkaku wrote:oh word? please elaborate for us, what “excesses” and ”corrections of the processes of handling” and which “certain kinds”?

Do I have to spell it out for you? The collapse of due process in harassment cases, especially on college, not to mention how subjective and shifting the definition has become. It needs to be a permanent, static, objective standard, not based upon the latest trends or one's personal butthurt feelings. It needs to be a clear, consistent standard that is immovable and undeniable, period. Objectivity is needed, not subjectivity. It needs to consist of pressure or coercion to perform favors or services or permit acts out of fear of retaliation or something of the sort. And the due process needs to remain effective.

In the meantime, I remain vindicated in my eternal cynicism and pessimism about society. Especially about its imminent collapse.

Is this some kind of artistic, "ceci n'est pas un incel"-type thing then

Senkaku wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
Do I have to spell it out for you? The collapse of due process in harassment cases, especially on college, not to mention how subjective and shifting the definition has become. It needs to be a permanent, static, objective standard, not based upon the latest trends or one's personal butthurt feelings. It needs to be a clear, consistent standard that is immovable and undeniable, period. Objectivity is needed, not subjectivity. It needs to consist of pressure or coercion to perform favors or services or permit acts out of fear of retaliation or something of the sort. And the due process needs to remain effective.

In the meantime, I remain vindicated in my eternal cynicism and pessimism about society. Especially about its imminent collapse.

Is this some kind of artistic, "ceci n'est pas un incel"-type thing then

Whatever. I'm done reasoning with you. Foe list, here you come.

Incelastan wrote:

Senkaku wrote:oh word? please elaborate for us, what “excesses” and ”corrections of the processes of handling” and which “certain kinds”?

Do I have to spell it out for you? The collapse of due process in harassment cases, especially on college, not to mention how subjective and shifting the definition has become. It needs to be a permanent, static, objective standard, not based upon the latest trends or one's personal butthurt feelings. It needs to be a clear, consistent standard that is immovable and undeniable, period. Objectivity is needed, not subjectivity. It needs to consist of pressure or coercion to perform favors or services or permit acts out of fear of retaliation or something of the sort. And the due process needs to remain effective.

In the meantime, I remain vindicated in my eternal cynicism and pessimism about society. Especially about its imminent collapse.

Oh you are one of those.

Well; I have female friends and associates. Even went to one’s flat to clean up her network. She shut the door and even gave me a beer. Network cleaned and no harassment claims.

MIght be I am ugly and yet I still don’t walk around in fear of women.

As to the collapse? I have been listening to that one for over 40 years. Even here since the before times that has been raised.

Wake me up when the anarchy starts.

The Black Forrest wrote:Well; I have female friends and associates. Even went to one’s flat to clean up her network. She shut the door and even gave me a beer. Network cleaned and no harassment claims. MIght be I am ugly and yet I still don’t walk around in fear of women.

The issue is, if that did happen to you despite you having done nothing wrong- would this cause you to have permanent distrust or cynicism towards other people on some level? Like, lets say someone knew that you were too rich and successful, and saw an opportunity to do blackmail or to shake some money out of you via a staged/baseless claim that could tarnish your reputation but not necessarily be enough to get you locked up?

Incelastan wrote:

Senkaku wrote:Was part of this supposed to somehow be reassuring? If so you might need to clarify or expand on it a bit, because I’m doing the math on grandkids by 46 and it’s not really making me feel better per se

There's a lot of ways that could happen, but in my particular case, I married a woman six years older than me and she had a stepdaughter (also a stepson, who died in 2020), who in turn has daughters of her own. Not that it matters. My point is that I'm not an actual incel myself, certainly not some brat living in his mother's basement or whatever. It's in character for roleplay, dude.

The “I have black friends” stories are getting out of hand.

The Jamesian Republic wrote:

Deblar wrote:One of the only good things to come out of the South

Kind of a hot take for a southerner but sweet tea does not taste good at all.

by Allah, your taste is that of a dog's. i shall continue as usual.

Hispida wrote:

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Kind of a hot take for a southerner but sweet tea does not taste good at all.

by Allah, your taste is that of a dog's. i shall continue as usual.

Grapico is better.

Senkaku wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
Dude, this is a roleplaying nation. That is IC, as in...in character. I also have a nation called New Soviet Trans-Ohio, which is a Communist Rust Belt. Incelastan is a patriarchal New England ruled by a mixed civilian-military junta. I have a lot of puppets with a vast range of different political orientations. That doesn't mean that I subscribe to all or most of their policies. If you bothered to read my signature, you'd know that.

Also, I'm 46. I have grandchildren. I'm not some teenager with a neckbeard who spends all day sitting on his duff playing WOW or whatever. Not that there is anything wrong with video or PC games.

Was part of this supposed to somehow be reassuring? If so you might need to clarify or expand on it a bit, because I’m doing the math on grandkids by 46 and it’s not really making me feel better per se

I guess if you have children at age 20, and your children have children at age 20, you'd be 40...

Saiwana wrote:

The Black Forrest wrote:Well; I have female friends and associates. Even went to one’s flat to clean up her network. She shut the door and even gave me a beer. Network cleaned and no harassment claims. MIght be I am ugly and yet I still don’t walk around in fear of women.

The issue is, if that did happen to you despite you having done nothing wrong- would this cause you to have permanent distrust or cynicism towards other people on some level? Like, lets say someone knew that you were too rich and successful, and saw an opportunity to do blackmail or to shake some money out of you via a staged/baseless claim that could tarnish your reputation but not necessarily be enough to get you locked up?

*Shrugs* In this day and age a guy could the same claims against you. As to blackmail? That’s fine. I would immediately notify the authorities.

Reputation if a funny beast. If you are known for being a decent person; people would do a at such claims or they would turn on you for whatever agenda they hold.

Ever notice the victims of such “baseless” claims make the loudest noise when they aren’t really? There was that incident of a sexual assault around Stanford. The student was a saint, the feminazis are out to get him blah blah blah.

The details came out. Two Swedish students happened on the scene and saw the act. They said it looked like she was unconscious and challenged him. He ran; they caught him and pinned him. One kept him in place while the other checked on the girl.

At the time he became the poster boy for baseless claims.

It’s like FFS guys; it’s ok to hang with a girl. You may want it to go somewhere; just don’t think and act like it will.

Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs wrote:

Incelastan wrote:
That should be....interesting. I overheard someone yesterday say, "Who am I supposed to vote for now?" I couldn't help but think....not a Republican? But that's probably a stretch with her, as with a lot of neighbors.

Pretty sure Trump will still be able to run as president if he goes to jail, so if he somehow makes it to the polls while serving time, she can still vote for him.

The trial and inevitable subsequent appeals will make any sort of ground game impossible for him.

Haganham wrote:

Denoidumbutoniurucwivobrs wrote:
Pretty sure Trump will still be able to run as president if he goes to jail, so if he somehow makes it to the polls while serving time, she can still vote for him.

The trial and inevitable subsequent appeals will make any sort of ground game impossible for him.

It will be hampered. You know any free time; it will be spewing on camera; his chat site, etc. Weekends are open to get him to his fan base.

Still that would be if he has to be present in the court room. He my not….

Dunno if posted already, but Trump expected to surrender Tuesday.

Northern Seleucia wrote:Dunno if posted already, but Trump expected to surrender Tuesday.

"no surrender!

"i am going to surrender."