American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[Hispida]

Where did murder enter the conversation?

They're defending hispida laughing at the fact people can be financially successful at laugh. Hispida in their signature is marxist, and that ideology by it's own values advocates for violent revolution where the wealthy "bourgeoise" are killed to enable "wealth redistribution" .

Or did you think the revolution would be bloodless?

I was scoffing at a tankie because I know of proponents of that ideology with social followings who're as cringe as Qanon these days.

you're acting like violence in any circumstance at all is wrong. that a state, of any kind, should not protect the interests of the ruling class. this is stupid. the purpose of a state at all is to protect the interests of the ruling class.

violence isn't a bad thing. it's not a good thing, either. it is an entirely neutral thing. concepts generally aren't inherently good or bad. there are some obvious exceptions --- i think we can all agree that fascism is fucking horrible as a concept --- but on the whole? love is neutral: it can either be romantic/familial devotion or it can be the catalyst for abuse and stalking. loyalty is neutral: it can either be out of respect or agreement with who you choose to follow or it can be the end result of abuse and stockholm syndrome. violence is neutral: it can either be used righteously, to protect the needs and interests of the many, or it can be used to murder the innocent and keep the oppressed down.

marxism doesn't call, inherently, for the murder of the bourgeoisie. hell, neither does maoism. communism simply calls for their overthrow and oppression. when the proletariat becomes the ruling class, of course they're going to oppress the bourgeoisie. it is the only way to ensure the end of the class system. when the pressure is lifted, you see what happened in the USSR with the kosygin reforms turning the USSR into a state capitalist morass focused on the pursuit of profit and exploitation of the third world. you see what happened in china, with deng's clique of counterrevolutionary proto-bourgeois turning the PRC into an imperialist hellhole selling slave labor to the west. read state and revolution or something, jeez.

something, something, "we will not apologize for the terror," something, something "a revolution is the most 'authoritarian' thing possible," something, something...

We should remember Ronald Reagan in the same vein as Adolf Hitler - as a destroyer of civilisation
Discuss

hey, hey, hey. it's unfair to compare hitler to reagan, okay? at least hitler liked animals.

[Port Caverton]

violence isn't a bad thing. it's not a good thing, either. it is an entirely neutral thing. concepts generally aren't inherently good or bad. there are some obvious exceptions --- i think we can all agree that fascism is fucking horrible as a concept --- but on the whole? love is neutral: it can either be romantic/familial devotion or it can be the catalyst for abuse and stalking. loyalty is neutral: it can either be out of respect or agreement with who you choose to follow or it can be the end result of abuse and stockholm syndrome. violence is neutral: it can either be used righteously, to protect the needs and interests of the many, or it can be used to murder the innocent and keep the oppressed down.

You would think that someone who advocates for Liberal Internationalism would know this.

[Ifreann]

Ah, but they would. It isn't rich assholes who build factories, it's other workers. It isn't rich assholes to design products or services, it's other workers. It isn't rich assholes who extract raw materials, it's other workers. At no stage is the rich asshole actually necessary, except in that we have an economic system which gives ownership of these things to the rich assholes despite them generally not doing anything useful.

A lot of those people were workers before becoming rich. Are you going to damn somebody because they got to the point in life where they started delegating tasks to other people and profited from it? Some people are born into wealth but give substantially if not a majority of their money to charities and helping others. Are you going to blast people for how they were born?

pls no bulli rich people

BE specific.

BE specific about who I damn to eternal torment in the pits of hell?

I have a bone to pick with non-rich assholes in the rail industry which caused ecological disaster in ohio. I have a bone to pick with bobby kotick for multiple reasons. I have a bone to pick with assholes who engage in tax evasion. etc.

Bet Bobby Kotick is real scared you you blasting him.

[Elwher]

If it weren't for the person whose name is on the building investing their time and effort in starting the business, the noble workers would not have a job in the first place.

And if not for the workers working for shit pay, the business wouldn't be turning a profit at all.

Agreed. They both serve a purpose and are both needed, so neither should be out down.

[Elwher]

If it weren't for the person whose name is on the building investing their time and effort in starting the business, the noble workers would not have a job in the first place.

No, most rich assholes got their by birth and the hard work of others.

Do they build their own factories? No. Do they build their own homes? No. Do they build the tech to run their factories and homes? No.

Guess who does all of that?

Then why do most, if not all, the socialists/communists take over existing facilities rather than simply building their own and, thanks to the increased morale leading to increased productivity, simply drive the capitalists out of business?

[Ifreann]

No, most rich assholes got their by birth and the hard work of others.

Do they build their own factories? No. Do they build their own homes? No. Do they build the tech to run their factories and homes? No.

Guess who does all of that?

Then why do most, if not all, the socialists/communists take over existing facilities rather than simply building their own and, thanks to the increased morale leading to increased productivity, simply drive the capitalists out of business?

They did build their own facilities, they're just taking them back from the capitalists.

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No, most rich assholes got their by birth and the hard work of others.

Do they build their own factories? No. Do they build their own homes? No. Do they build the tech to run their factories and homes? No.

Guess who does all of that?

Then why do most, if not all, the socialists/communists take over existing facilities rather than simply building their own and, thanks to the increased morale leading to increased productivity, simply drive the capitalists out of business?

So if somebody robs you, your solution is to become a robber who will ultimately be much more successful than the one who robbed you.

(For the sake of clarity, it is my position that ownership of capital amounts to theft)

[Dystopian Texas]

They're defending hispida laughing at the fact people can be financially successful at laugh. Hispida in their signature is marxist, and that ideology by it's own values advocates for violent revolution where the wealthy "bourgeoise" are killed to enable "wealth redistribution" .

Or did you think the revolution would be bloodless?

I was scoffing at a tankie because I know of proponents of that ideology with social followings who're as cringe as Qanon these days.

you're acting like violence in any circumstance at all is wrong. that a state, of any kind, should not protect the interests of the ruling class. this is stupid. the purpose of a state at all is to protect the interests of the ruling class.

violence isn't a bad thing. it's not a good thing, either. it is an entirely neutral thing. concepts generally aren't inherently good or bad. there are some obvious exceptions --- i think we can all agree that fascism is fucking horrible as a concept --- but on the whole? love is neutral: it can either be romantic/familial devotion or it can be the catalyst for abuse and stalking. loyalty is neutral: it can either be out of respect or agreement with who you choose to follow or it can be the end result of abuse and stockholm syndrome. violence is neutral: it can either be used righteously, to protect the needs and interests of the many, or it can be used to murder the innocent and keep the oppressed down.

marxism doesn't call, inherently, for the murder of the bourgeoisie. hell, neither does maoism. communism simply calls for their overthrow and oppression. when the proletariat becomes the ruling class, of course they're going to oppress the bourgeoisie. it is the only way to ensure the end of the class system. when the pressure is lifted, you see what happened in the USSR with the kosygin reforms turning the USSR into a state capitalist morass focused on the pursuit of profit and exploitation of the third world. you see what happened in china, with deng's clique of counterrevolutionary proto-bourgeois turning the PRC into an imperialist hellhole selling slave labor to the west. read state and revolution or something, jeez.

something, something, "we will not apologize for the terror," something, something "a revolution is the most 'authoritarian' thing possible," something, something...

We should remember Ronald Reagan in the same vein as Adolf Hitler - as a destroyer of civilisation
Discuss

hey, hey, hey. it's unfair to compare hitler to reagan, okay? at least hitler liked animals.

I have no interest in swapping oppressor and oppressed. I have an interest in abolishing oppression itself....permanently.

[Celritannia]

Florida principal resigns after parents decry Michelangelo’s David as pornography

‘The Simpsons’ Predicted Our Stupidity Again As Florida Decides That Michelangelo’s David is Pornography

[The Black Forrest]

It's one upside I'm hoping for from millennials potentially coming into political relevance/control: Reagan finally getting his teflon coating sandblasted off and having his 'legacy' thrown into the sewer where it has always belonged.

Having lived through it, yes please.

Ditto. And I saw it from the government side…..

[Ifreann]

Florida principal resigns after parents decry Michelangelo’s David as pornography

‘The Simpsons’ Predicted Our Stupidity Again As Florida Decides That Michelangelo’s David is Pornography

My favourite part of this is that this private school advertises itself as being all about classical education in science and the liberal arts. These people should be all about venerating the great Renaissance masters, but they've only just now noticed that Big Dave has no pants on? Clowns.

[Necroghastia]

Florida principal resigns after parents decry Michelangelo’s David as pornography

‘The Simpsons’ Predicted Our Stupidity Again As Florida Decides That Michelangelo’s David is Pornography

My favourite part of this is that this private school advertises itself as being all about classical education in science and the liberal arts. These people should be all about venerating the great Renaissance masters, but they've only just now noticed that Big Dave has no pants on? Clowns.

It's also a Christian charter school, so as has been pointed out, complaints about "pornography" are super hypocritical.

[Port Caverton]

Florida principal resigns after parents decry Michelangelo’s David as pornography

‘The Simpsons’ Predicted Our Stupidity Again As Florida Decides That Michelangelo’s David is Pornography

Florida is truly an interesting place.

[Tarsonis]

My favourite part of this is that this private school advertises itself as being all about classical education in science and the liberal arts. These people should be all about venerating the great Renaissance masters, but they've only just now noticed that Big Dave has no pants on? Clowns.

It's also a Christian charter school, so as has been pointed out, complaints about "pornography" are super hypocritical.

50 shades of Gray got nothing on Song of Solomon

[Ors Might]

It's also a Christian charter school, so as has been pointed out, complaints about "pornography" are super hypocritical.

50 shades of Gray got nothing on Song of Solomon

Our pastor actually did a sermon on that a few weeks ago.

Apparently with great wisdom comes great rizz.

[Bienenhalde]

My favourite part of this is that this private school advertises itself as being all about classical education in science and the liberal arts. These people should be all about venerating the great Renaissance masters, but they've only just now noticed that Big Dave has no pants on? Clowns.

It's also a Christian charter school, so as has been pointed out, complaints about "pornography" are super hypocritical.

The Bible talks about sex for the purpose of describing and condemning human sinfulness and depravity, not mere titillation. Regardless, there are certain sections of the Bible which are inappropriate for young children to read.

[Cannot think of a name]

It's also a Christian charter school, so as has been pointed out, complaints about "pornography" are super hypocritical.

The Bible talks about sex for the purpose of describing and condemning human sinfulness and depravity, not mere titillation. Regardless, there are certain sections of the Bible which are inappropriate for young children to read.

Ah, the Potter Stewart standard makes a comeback.

[Tarsonis]

It's also a Christian charter school, so as has been pointed out, complaints about "pornography" are super hypocritical.

The Bible talks about sex for the purpose of describing and condemning human sinfulness and depravity, not mere titillation. Regardless, there are certain sections of the Bible which are inappropriate for young children to read.

While I agree it's not tantalizing, saying it only talks about sex in terms of depravity, is just not true.

[Archinstinct]

violence isn't a bad thing. it's not a good thing, either. it is an entirely neutral thing. concepts generally aren't inherently good or bad. there are some obvious exceptions --- i think we can all agree that fascism is fucking horrible as a concept --- but on the whole? love is neutral: it can either be romantic/familial devotion or it can be the catalyst for abuse and stalking. loyalty is neutral: it can either be out of respect or agreement with who you choose to follow or it can be the end result of abuse and stockholm syndrome. violence is neutral: it can either be used righteously, to protect the needs and interests of the many, or it can be used to murder the innocent and keep the oppressed down.

You would think that someone who advocates for Liberal Internationalism would know this.

Their post is just twisting words to justify their bullshit. Tankies gonna tank.

[Archinstinct]

pls no bulli rich people

How does it feel going to bat for tankies when they are supporting totalitarian governments that will put masses of innocent people in concentration camps and abduct thousands of children in acts of modern genocide?

Bet Bobby Kotick is real scared you you blasting him.

I'd take that bet and bet against you he isn't. But he probably would get annoyed like he has been when I continue distributing pictures of him with devil horns drawn on his head!

[Vassenor]

Ah, but they would. It isn't rich assholes who build factories, it's other workers. It isn't rich assholes to design products or services, it's other workers. It isn't rich assholes who extract raw materials, it's other workers. At no stage is the rich asshole actually necessary, except in that we have an economic system which gives ownership of these things to the rich assholes despite them generally not doing anything useful.

A lot of those people were workers before becoming rich. Are you going to damn somebody because they got to the point in life where they started delegating tasks to other people and profited from it? Some people are born into wealth but give substantially if not a majority of their money to charities and helping others. Are you going to blast people for how they were born?

BE specific.

I have a bone to pick with non-rich assholes in the rail industry which caused ecological disaster in ohio. I have a bone to pick with bobby kotick for multiple reasons. I have a bone to pick with assholes who engage in tax evasion. etc.

So when was Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos a worker?

[Archinstinct]

A lot of those people were workers before becoming rich. Are you going to damn somebody because they got to the point in life where they started delegating tasks to other people and profited from it? Some people are born into wealth but give substantially if not a majority of their money to charities and helping others. Are you going to blast people for how they were born?

BE specific.

I have a bone to pick with non-rich assholes in the rail industry which caused ecological disaster in ohio. I have a bone to pick with bobby kotick for multiple reasons. I have a bone to pick with assholes who engage in tax evasion. etc.

So when was Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos a worker?

Oh hi Vassenor. What's your planned argument to get me in trouble with moderation?

[Vassenor]

So when was Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos a worker?

Oh hi Vassenor. What's your planned argument to get me in trouble with moderation?

Didn’t know explaining when Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos were workers was that hard. Huh.

[Archinstinct]

Oh hi Vassenor. What's your planned argument to get me in trouble with moderation?

Didn’t know explaining when Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos were workers was that hard. Huh.

Cool story.

[San Lumen]

https://www.wfae.org/crime-justice/2023 ... it-and-run

North Carolina auditor Beth Wood pleads guilty to hit-and-run