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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

Yes
86
45%
No
45
23%
IDK/Other
61
32%
 
Total votes : 192

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:35 am

El Lazaro wrote:Lumen’s anti-worker takes are so garbage that I might become a socialist if I keep listening to them.

Based, thank you Comrade Lumen.

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Valrifall
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Postby Valrifall » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:36 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That is utterly ridiculous. So mske dancing videos on tik tok all day instead of doing your job and your employer can’t fire you?

Weird how you're obsessed with TikTok. But yeah, employers shouldn't have any say in removing workers from the workplace. That should be up to the workers themselves. If everyone on the factory floor likes the one person doing dance videos all day, then the boss can eat shit.



Don't be silly Iffy.

We should just abolish management altogether and reorganize the whole economy to run based on co-ops, worker's councils, and/or unions.
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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:37 am

El Lazaro wrote:Lumen’s anti-worker takes are so garbage that I might become a socialist if I keep listening to them.

Welcome to the club. A free copy of Das Kapital is handed out by the door.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
That is utterly ridiculous. So mske dancing videos on tik tok all day instead of doing your job and your employer can’t fire you?

Weird how you're obsessed with TikTok. But yeah, employers shouldn't have any say in removing workers from the workplace. That should be up to the workers themselves. If everyone on the factory floor likes the one person doing dance videos all day, then the boss can eat shit.


This is truly one of the dumbest arguments you've ever made. Your hired to do a job. Don' want to do said job or follow the rules Bye Felicia. If fellow workers don't like it they can quit too and make their stupid videos on someone else's dime.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:47 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Weird how you're obsessed with TikTok. But yeah, employers shouldn't have any say in removing workers from the workplace. That should be up to the workers themselves. If everyone on the factory floor likes the one person doing dance videos all day, then the boss can eat shit.


This is truly one of the dumbest arguments you've ever made. Your hired to do a job. Don' want to do said job or follow the rules Bye Felicia. If fellow workers don't like it they can quit too and make their stupid videos on someone else's dime.

If the "rules" includes paying Elon Musk money while prostating oneself before him for the daily 2 hour paeaning... with no lunch breaks... Elon Musk can go fuck himself.

And if you think that's hyperbole American employers already hate lunch breaks. Because they take money away from that sweet sweet profit maximisation.

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American Legionaries
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Postby American Legionaries » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:49 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Weird how you're obsessed with TikTok. But yeah, employers shouldn't have any say in removing workers from the workplace. That should be up to the workers themselves. If everyone on the factory floor likes the one person doing dance videos all day, then the boss can eat shit.


This is truly one of the dumbest arguments you've ever made. Your hired to do a job. Don' want to do said job or follow the rules Bye Felicia. If fellow workers don't like it they can quit too and make their stupid videos on someone else's dime.


Your pal was hired to do a job and apparently spends his days crying to you because he was supposed to follow the rules. That's literally what started this conversation was you complaining about the rules someone was expected to work under.

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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:50 am

El Lazaro wrote:Lumen’s anti-worker takes are so garbage that I might become a socialist if I keep listening to them.


Good Lazaro Good. Let the anger flow through you.

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Port Caverton
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Founded: Oct 01, 2021
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:53 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Lumen’s anti-worker takes are so garbage that I might become a socialist if I keep listening to them.


Good Lazaro Good. Let the anger flow through you.

Lazaro, don't listen to that Pinko. Support the free market instead.
"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

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El Lazaro
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Founded: Oct 19, 2021
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Postby El Lazaro » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:55 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Good Lazaro Good. Let the anger flow through you.

Lazaro, don't listen to that Pinko. Support the free market instead.

Compromise, maybe? Free market anti-Lumenite socialism?

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:56 am

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Good Lazaro Good. Let the anger flow through you.

Lazaro, don't listen to that Pinko. Support the free market instead.

Blind adherence to the free market religion under American direction lead to Afghanistan becoming an anarchic drug cartel pretending to be a failed state
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San Lumen
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Founded: Jul 02, 2009
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:58 am

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
This is truly one of the dumbest arguments you've ever made. Your hired to do a job. Don' want to do said job or follow the rules Bye Felicia. If fellow workers don't like it they can quit too and make their stupid videos on someone else's dime.


Your pal was hired to do a job and apparently spends his days crying to you because he was supposed to follow the rules. That's literally what started this conversation was you complaining about the rules someone was expected to work under.


This person worked there years ago. A union shouldn't make it impossible to fire someone.

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Port Caverton
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Founded: Oct 01, 2021
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Postby Port Caverton » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:59 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Lazaro, don't listen to that Pinko. Support the free market instead.

Compromise, maybe? Free market anti-Lumenite socialism?

No.
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Lazaro, don't listen to that Pinko. Support the free market instead.

Blind adherence to the free market religion under American direction lead to Afghanistan becoming an anarchic drug cartel pretending to be a failed state

Doesn't matter.
"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

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Ifreann
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Founded: Aug 07, 2005
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:59 am

Valrifall wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Weird how you're obsessed with TikTok. But yeah, employers shouldn't have any say in removing workers from the workplace. That should be up to the workers themselves. If everyone on the factory floor likes the one person doing dance videos all day, then the boss can eat shit.



Don't be silly Iffy.

We should just abolish management altogether and reorganize the whole economy to run based on co-ops, worker's councils, and/or unions.

[Solidarity Forever loudly]


San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Weird how you're obsessed with TikTok. But yeah, employers shouldn't have any say in removing workers from the workplace. That should be up to the workers themselves. If everyone on the factory floor likes the one person doing dance videos all day, then the boss can eat shit.


This is truly one of the dumbest arguments you've ever made. Your hired to do a job. Don' want to do said job or follow the rules Bye Felicia.

Let me tell you who knows about what does and does not contribute to a job getting done. It's not the asshole whose name is on the building, but the people on the floor actually doing the job. If the boss wants a say in what happens then they can go down there and work alongside everyone else.
If fellow workers don't like it they can quit too and make their stupid videos on someone else's dime.

Whose dime is it, Lumen? The workers are the people actually generating revenue, not the bosses.

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Ors Might
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Founded: Nov 01, 2016
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Your pal was hired to do a job and apparently spends his days crying to you because he was supposed to follow the rules. That's literally what started this conversation was you complaining about the rules someone was expected to work under.


This person worked there years ago. A union shouldn't make it impossible to fire someone.

Yeah it should. That's literally part of what a union is meant to do, make it more difficult to fire the workers that form it.
https://youtu.be/gvjOG5gboFU Best diss track of all time

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American Legionaries
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Your pal was hired to do a job and apparently spends his days crying to you because he was supposed to follow the rules. That's literally what started this conversation was you complaining about the rules someone was expected to work under.


This person worked there years ago. A union shouldn't make it impossible to fire someone.


So you don't like the rules his boss set down for him to follow? And instead of being consistent and giving him the "bye felicia" treatment, you commiserate with the poor poor manager who had to follow the rules and respect his employee's dignity. Boo hoo...

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What is the world really
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Founded: Feb 08, 2023
Ex-Nation

Postby What is the world really » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:01 pm

Neo con bangers:
Iran-contra, the privacy-rights invasion that is known as the PATRIOT act, lying to the American Public about WMDs, and laying the groundwork for Donald Trump.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:01 pm

What is the world really wrote:Neo con bangers:
Iran-contra, the privacy-rights invasion that is known as the PATRIOT act, lying to the American Public about WMDs, and laying the groundwork for Donald Trump.

Is this supposed to be news?

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What is the world really
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Postby What is the world really » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:02 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
What is the world really wrote:Neo con bangers:
Iran-contra, the privacy-rights invasion that is known as the PATRIOT act, lying to the American Public about WMDs, and laying the groundwork for Donald Trump.

Is this supposed to be news?

No, but some people hadn't gotten the message at this point.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:03 pm

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
This person worked there years ago. A union shouldn't make it impossible to fire someone.

Yeah it should. That's literally part of what a union is meant to do, make it more difficult to fire the workers that form it.


But completely impossible? No.

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American Legionaries
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Postby American Legionaries » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:03 pm

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
This person worked there years ago. A union shouldn't make it impossible to fire someone.

Yeah it should. That's literally part of what a union is meant to do, make it more difficult to fire the workers that form it.


But Lumen says we don't know what a union is for, since helping the workers isn't it apparently.

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah it should. That's literally part of what a union is meant to do, make it more difficult to fire the workers that form it.


But completely impossible? No.

Yes, completely impossible. If I'm paying union dues, I'm not going to complain that my union is really good at fulfilling it's purpose.

American Legionaries wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah it should. That's literally part of what a union is meant to do, make it more difficult to fire the workers that form it.


But Lumen says we don't know what a union is for, since helping the workers isn't it apparently.

Apparently they just collect union dues and fuck off.
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:08 pm

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
But completely impossible? No.

Yes, completely impossible. If I'm paying union dues, I'm not going to complain that my union is really good at fulfilling it's purpose.

American Legionaries wrote:
But Lumen says we don't know what a union is for, since helping the workers isn't it apparently.

Apparently they just collect union dues and fuck off.


So if you have a job and all you do is make dumb videos on social media you expect your union to prevent your boss from firing you and just say on that's ok keep making your dancing videos for your followers.

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American Legionaries
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Postby American Legionaries » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yes, completely impossible. If I'm paying union dues, I'm not going to complain that my union is really good at fulfilling it's purpose.


Apparently they just collect union dues and fuck off.


So if you have a job and all you do is make dumb videos on social media you expect your union to prevent your boss from firing you and just say on that's ok keep making your dancing videos for your followers.


That'd be a pretty badass union, yes.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:12 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
So if you have a job and all you do is make dumb videos on social media you expect your union to prevent your boss from firing you and just say on that's ok keep making your dancing videos for your followers.


That'd be a pretty badass union, yes.


No it wouldn't and I just fire the person who did that and say the heck with the union.
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American Legionaries
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Postby American Legionaries » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
That'd be a pretty badass union, yes.


No it wouldn't and I just fire the person who did that and say the heck with the union.


Yeah it would. And if you did that you'd lose your job. Because I sincerely doubt the boss wants you to cost him buckets of money because you can't follow his rules.

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