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Will Kevin McCarthy Remain Speaker?

Yes
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29%
Yes, But He'll Have Democratic Support
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No
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IDK/Other
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Postby Neo-American States » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:54 am

EuroStralia wrote:

This doesn't prove that DeSantis is a nazi or whatever leftists call him.

If literal Nazis are showing up to support you and your political party then maybe you should question why that is.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:18 am

Neo-American States wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:This doesn't prove that DeSantis is a nazi or whatever leftists call him.

If literal Nazis are showing up to support you and your political party then maybe you should question why that is.

They can agree with us Republicans on illegal immigration and support us, but it does not mean Republicans, President Trump and me GMS Are Fascist Nazis. They can agree and support us against CRT Critical Race Theory, it does not make Republicans, President Trump, Ron DeSantis and GMS Fascist Nazis. We don't have to question our economic, political and social views, their is nothing wrong with mine and ours, we don't have to question anything, they strongly differ from yours, it is called the democratic right and freedom of speech to think differently and strongly disagree, it is called freedom of speech and democracy, I strongly respect even on Cuba, I am a native Cuban and an American citizen Proud Republican Trump supporter, Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan supporter, with Pride and Honor, I know many of us who strongly support all 3 of them, I speak for me and all of us, with Pride and Honor.

Republican Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis got at least 45 % pf the Jewish American vote, on his landslide % reelection as Governor of Florida, a considerable Percentage % of the Jewish American vote, according to sources I have read.

There are reports that Richard Spencer supports Biden, it does not mean the Democrats are Fascist Nazis, they don't have to question their economic, political and social views, they don't have to question anything, you don't have to question anything, they differ from mine and ours.

There are many Persons on and off NS and Discord who don't respect the democratic rights and freedom of speech to think differently and disagree with them.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:57 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Neo-American States wrote:If literal Nazis are showing up to support you and your political party then maybe you should question why that is.

They can agree with us Republicans on illegal immigration and support us, but it does not mean Republicans, President Trump and me GMS Are Fascist Nazis. They can agree and support us against CRT Critical Race Theory, it does not make Republicans, President Trump, Ron DeSantis and GMS Fascist Nazis. We don't have to question our economic, political and social views, their is nothing wrong with mine and ours, we don't have to question anything, they strongly differ from yours, it is called the democratic right and freedom of speech to think differently and strongly disagree, it is called freedom of speech and democracy, I strongly respect even on Cuba, I am a native Cuban and an American citizen Proud Republican Trump supporter, Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan supporter, with Pride and Honor, I know many of us who strongly support all 3 of them, I speak for me and all of us, with Pride and Honor.

Republican Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis got at least 45 % pf the Jewish American vote, on his landslide % reelection as Governor of Florida, a considerable Percentage % of the Jewish American vote, according to sources I have read.

There are reports that Richard Spencer supports Biden, it does not mean the Democrats are Fascist Nazis, they don't have to question their economic, political and social views, they don't have to question anything, you don't have to question anything, they differ from mine and ours.

There are many Persons on and off NS and Discord who don't respect the democratic rights and freedom of speech to think differently and disagree with them.


So what is Critical Race Theory and why is it bad?

Or is it bad because Dear Leader said it is bad?

Also the fact you respond with this screed which at no point contains anything to the effect of "Nazis Bad" when asked to say Nazis Bad is telling.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:They can agree with us Republicans on illegal immigration and support us, but it does not mean Republicans, President Trump and me GMS Are Fascist Nazis. They can agree and support us against CRT Critical Race Theory, it does not make Republicans, President Trump, Ron DeSantis and GMS Fascist Nazis. We don't have to question our economic, political and social views, their is nothing wrong with mine and ours, we don't have to question anything, they strongly differ from yours, it is called the democratic right and freedom of speech to think differently and strongly disagree, it is called freedom of speech and democracy, I strongly respect even on Cuba, I am a native Cuban and an American citizen Proud Republican Trump supporter, Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan supporter, with Pride and Honor, I know many of us who strongly support all 3 of them, I speak for me and all of us, with Pride and Honor.

Republican Governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis got at least 45 % pf the Jewish American vote, on his landslide % reelection as Governor of Florida, a considerable Percentage % of the Jewish American vote, according to sources I have read.

There are reports that Richard Spencer supports Biden, it does not mean the Democrats are Fascist Nazis, they don't have to question their economic, political and social views, they don't have to question anything, you don't have to question anything, they differ from mine and ours.

There are many Persons on and off NS and Discord who don't respect the democratic rights and freedom of speech to think differently and disagree with them.


So what is Critical Race Theory and why is it bad?

Or is it bad because Dear Leader said it is bad?

Also the fact you respond with this screed which at no point contains anything to the effect of "Nazis Bad" when asked to say Nazis Bad is telling.

GMS: I have posted to you and all of you my views and our views on CRT Critical Race theory many times and with links, and all of you dismiss them anyway based on this or that, so I will not repeat myself on it.

There is nothing wrong with being a Republican, Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis and Pro Ronald Reagan. I have told you guys many times, we strongly support President Trump's Make America Great Again MAGA Policies, as far as we are concerned President Trump is a great American President of the USA. So in this context if you want to call me and us Trump cultists, say President Trump is our Dear Leader, God Emperor Lord and Master I wear it with Pride and Honor, in the context I described above, not in your anti Trump contexts, on my contexts and our contexts.

I define abortion as preventing the life of a baby to be, a kid to be and a person to be, I don't know how my fellow Republicans against abortion define it. I NS Bet $ the Fascist Nazis are against abortion at least for their own People and Political kind of People, it does not make me and us Fascist Nazis.

I am sure there must be at least one issue you support and the Fascist Nazis support, it does not make you a Fascist Nazi.

I, don't support Fascist Nazis, I don't support Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany and we don't support them either. We are not Fascist Nazis we are Republicans with Pride and Honor.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:05 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what is Critical Race Theory and why is it bad?

Or is it bad because Dear Leader said it is bad?

Also the fact you respond with this screed which at no point contains anything to the effect of "Nazis Bad" when asked to say Nazis Bad is telling.

GMS: I have posted to you and all of you my views and our views on CRT Critical Race theory many times and with links, and all of you dismiss them anyway based on this or that, so I will not repeat myself on it.

There is nothing wrong with being a Republican, Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis and Pro Ronald Reagan. I have told you guys many times, we strongly support President Trump's Make America Great Again MAGA Policies, as far as we are concerned President Trump is a great American President of the USA. So in this context if you want to call me and us Trump cultists, say President Trump is our Dear Leader, God Emperor Lord and Master I wear it with Pride and Honor, in the context I described above, not in your anti Trump contexts, on my contexts and our contexts.

I define abortion as preventing the life of a baby to be, a kid to be and a person to be, I don't know how my fellow Republicans against abortion define it. I NS Bet $ the Fascist Nazis are against abortion at least for their own People and Political kind of People, it does not make me and us Fascist Nazis.

I am sure there must be at least one issue you support and the Fascist Nazis support, it does not make you a Fascist Nazi.

I, don't support Fascist Nazis, I don't support Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany and we don't support them either. We are not Fascist Nazis we are Republicans with Pride and Honor.


You don't support Fascist Nazis but you will go to bat with apologia for them because they're on your team.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:07 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:GMS: I have posted to you and all of you my views and our views on CRT Critical Race theory many times and with links, and all of you dismiss them anyway based on this or that, so I will not repeat myself on it.

There is nothing wrong with being a Republican, Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis and Pro Ronald Reagan. I have told you guys many times, we strongly support President Trump's Make America Great Again MAGA Policies, as far as we are concerned President Trump is a great American President of the USA. So in this context if you want to call me and us Trump cultists, say President Trump is our Dear Leader, God Emperor Lord and Master I wear it with Pride and Honor, in the context I described above, not in your anti Trump contexts, on my contexts and our contexts.

I define abortion as preventing the life of a baby to be, a kid to be and a person to be, I don't know how my fellow Republicans against abortion define it. I NS Bet $ the Fascist Nazis are against abortion at least for their own People and Political kind of People, it does not make me and us Fascist Nazis.

I am sure there must be at least one issue you support and the Fascist Nazis support, it does not make you a Fascist Nazi.

I, don't support Fascist Nazis, I don't support Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany and we don't support them either. We are not Fascist Nazis we are Republicans with Pride and Honor.


You don't support Fascist Nazis but you will go to bat with apologia for them because they're on your team.

I see you are still trying to associate us with Fascist Nazis, lol :)

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Postby Elwher » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:13 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You don't support Fascist Nazis but you will go to bat with apologia for them because they're on your team.

I see you are still trying to associate us with Fascist Nazis, lol :)


Unless you can show me a non-fascist Nazi, the phrase Fascist Nazis is redundant.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:27 am

Elwher wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I see you are still trying to associate us with Fascist Nazis, lol :)


Unless you can show me a non-fascist Nazi, the phrase Fascist Nazis is redundant.

GMS: lol. :) Fascists and Nazis are similar or the same, so my definition is more descriptive and I am not Picky on it, it is not redundant, we are not allowed to discuss Fascist Nazis back and forth on these US Politics threads, except when we related it to American Fascist Nazis. But I answered your question and I here by drop it. Peace over and out.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:29 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You don't support Fascist Nazis but you will go to bat with apologia for them because they're on your team.

I see you are still trying to associate us with Fascist Nazis, lol :)


I don't need to do anything. The Nazis are associating themselves with you and you are doing nothing about it other than explaining why it's OK for them to support you.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:42 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I see you are still trying to associate us with Fascist Nazis, lol :)


I don't need to do anything. The Nazis are associating themselves with you and you are doing nothing about it other than explaining why it's OK for them to support you.

GMS: Vassenor: You don't give up, and you don't back down, you are persistent and so am I and Republican President Trump of the USA, I love it, lol :) :hug:
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:43 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I don't need to do anything. The Nazis are associating themselves with you and you are doing nothing about it other than explaining why it's OK for them to support you.

You don't give up, and you don't back down, you are persistent and so am I and Republican President Trump of the USA, I love it, lol :) :hug:


And you respond with rambling when asked to call the Nazis bad.

And he's not been the president for three years now, you can stop deluding yourself.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:58 am

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Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:You don't give up, and you don't back down, you are persistent and so am I and Republican President Trump of the USA, I love it, lol :) :hug:


And you respond with rambling when asked to call the Nazis bad.

And he's not been the president for three years now, you can stop deluding yourself.

GMS: I Posted this to you: I, don't support Fascist Nazis, I don't support Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany and we don't support them either. We are not Fascist Nazis we are Republicans with Pride and Honor.

What the Fascist Nazis, Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany did to the Jewish People and many European ethnic groups was cruel and wrong. You know I have posted many times, I am a strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People and so is President Trum, who even has Jewish Grand Children in his Family. As you know I honor them with my real world based nation of NS Jerusalem Israel and I hate NS stats: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1747540

It used to be an American tradition to call all Past and current Presidents, Governors, Mayors and other officials, Presidents, Governors and Mayors, like President Trump, Sarah Palin, and Rudy Giuliani, out of Personal respect.

But since President Trump, the leftist media has destroyed this American tradition, even right news sites have stopped doing so most of the time, but from time to time, I have seen on the right wing news sites, President Trump being called President Trump out of Personal respect, Sarah Palin as Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska out of Personal respect, and Rudi Giuliani as Mayor of New York out of Personal respect and President Ronald Reagan as President Reagan out of Personal respect, I GMS respect all of them, so I will keep on calling them, Presidents, Governors and Mayors. out of Personal Respect.
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:03 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And you respond with rambling when asked to call the Nazis bad.

And he's not been the president for three years now, you can stop deluding yourself.

GMS: I Posted this to you: I, don't support Fascist Nazis, I don't support Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany and we don't support them either. We are not Fascist Nazis we are Republicans with Pride and Honor.

What the Fascist Nazis, Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany did to the Jewish People and many European ethnic groups was cruel and wrong. You know I have posted many times, I am a strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People and so is President Trum, who even has Jewish Grand Children in his Family. As you know I honor them with my real world based nation of NS Jerusalem Israel and I hate NS stats: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1747540

It used to be an American tradition to call all Past and current Presidents, Governors, Mayors and other officials, Presidents, Governors and Mayors, like President Trump, Sarah Palin, and Rudy Giuliani, out of Personal respect.

But since President Trump, the leftist media has destroyed this American tradition, even right news sites have stopped doing so most of the time, but from time to time, I have seen on the right wing news sites, President Trump being called President Trump out of Personal respect, Sarah Palin as Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska out of Personal respect, and Rudi Giuliani as Mayor of New York out of Personal respect and President Ronald Reagan as President Reagan out of Personal respect, I GMS respect all of them, so I will keep on calling them, Presidents, Governors and Mayors. out of Personal Respect.

This is all untrue

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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:05 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I see you are still trying to associate us with Fascist Nazis, lol :)


I don't need to do anything. The Nazis are associating themselves with you and you are doing nothing about it other than explaining why it's OK for them to support you.


Nazis go fuck themselves in Macy's(Fenwick since you're from the UK) window.

There you go, does that satisfy you?
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:05 am

New-Minneapolis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I don't need to do anything. The Nazis are associating themselves with you and you are doing nothing about it other than explaining why it's OK for them to support you.


Nazis go fuck themselves in Macy's(Fenwick since you're from the UK) window.

There you go, does that satisfy you?

You were a GMS puppet this entire time???

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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:07 am

El Lazaro wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
Nazis go fuck themselves in Macy's(Fenwick since you're from the UK) window.

There you go, does that satisfy you?

You were a GMS puppet this entire time???


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Postby El Lazaro » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:09 am

New-Minneapolis wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:You were a GMS puppet this entire time???


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

GMS confirmed

Where is the Pride and Honor though?

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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:14 am

El Lazaro wrote:
New-Minneapolis wrote:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

GMS confirmed

Where is the Pride and Honor though?


Let me put to rest any GMS rumors.

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:14 am

12% - that's the percentage of Republicans that said Trump's alleged conduct was a national security risk. A whooping 76% said they were more concern that the indictment was politically motivated rather than Trump created a national security risk. Oddly, 12% agreed with both statements.

In fact, only 38% said Trump keeping the alleged documents of nuclear systems or military plans constituted a national security risk. The rest of the country? 80% said so. And 80% also said Trump should be President even if he was convicted. It's a far cry to what Republicans viewed Clinton's Email Scandal at the time though a larger portion of Democrats also didn't view her emails so lightly (that number was around 33%, I believe).

Suffice to say, violent rhetoric from far-right and GOP is growing as Trump and his allies seek to discredit the investigations; Trump is essentially running on a platform to gut the very agencies that would hold him accountable.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:17 am

Zurkerx wrote:12% - that's the percentage of Republicans that said Trump's alleged conduct was a national security risk. A whooping 76% said they were more concern that the indictment was politically motivated rather than Trump created a national security risk. Oddly, 12% agreed with both statements.

In fact, only 38% said Trump keeping the alleged documents of nuclear systems or military plans constituted a national security risk. The rest of the country? 80% said so. And 80% also said Trump should be President even if he was convicted. It's a far cry to what Republicans viewed Clinton's Email Scandal at the time though a larger portion of Democrats also didn't view her emails so lightly (that number was around 33%, I believe).

Suffice to say, violent rhetoric from far-right and GOP is growing as Trump and his allies seek to discredit the investigations; Trump is essentially running on a platform to gut the very agencies that would hold him accountable.


If this is the route they want to go down I have two words for them: Whig Party.

2024 will be mega tsunami against them if Trump is the nominee.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:19 am

El Lazaro wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:GMS: I Posted this to you: I, don't support Fascist Nazis, I don't support Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany and we don't support them either. We are not Fascist Nazis we are Republicans with Pride and Honor.

What the Fascist Nazis, Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany did to the Jewish People and many European ethnic groups was cruel and wrong. You know I have posted many times, I am a strong supporter of Israel and the Jewish People and so is President Trum, who even has Jewish Grand Children in his Family. As you know I honor them with my real world based nation of NS Jerusalem Israel and I hate NS stats: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1747540

It used to be an American tradition to call all Past and current Presidents, Governors, Mayors and other officials, Presidents, Governors and Mayors, like President Trump, Sarah Palin, and Rudy Giuliani, out of Personal respect.

But since President Trump, the leftist media has destroyed this American tradition, even right news sites have stopped doing so most of the time, but from time to time, I have seen on the right wing news sites, President Trump being called President Trump out of Personal respect, Sarah Palin as Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska out of Personal respect, and Rudi Giuliani as Mayor of New York out of Personal respect and President Ronald Reagan as President Reagan out of Personal respect, I GMS respect all of them, so I will keep on calling them, Presidents, Governors and Mayors. out of Personal Respect.

This is all untrue

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GMS: This is not untrue these are Facts, it used to be an American tradition to call Past and current Politicians, President, Governors and Mayors out of Personal Respect, I have seen it on the right wing news sites for many years.

Now I see it less often, as I have stated.

I am sure leftists news sites do it too with leftist Politicians.

I am only posting this in case The Black Forrest who has me on ignore and puts me on and off ignore when he wants to sees and reads my post to you. I don't post falsehoods, baseless posts and comments, I don't lie and I am not a liar, they differ from yours and ours. This rule goes for me and us Republicans and all of us, it works both ways, not just one way, my way and our way, it works both ways. I know you have not called me a liar and say I lie, like The Black Forrest recently did, doubled down and tripled downed on it.

I stand by my Post and comments as Facts.
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Postby New-Minneapolis » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:23 am

Zurkerx wrote:12% - that's the percentage of Republicans that said Trump's alleged conduct was a national security risk. A whooping 76% said they were more concern that the indictment was politically motivated rather than Trump created a national security risk. Oddly, 12% agreed with both statements.

In fact, only 38% said Trump keeping the alleged documents of nuclear systems or military plans constituted a national security risk. The rest of the country? 80% said so. And 80% also said Trump should be President even if he was convicted. It's a far cry to what Republicans viewed Clinton's Email Scandal at the time though a larger portion of Democrats also didn't view her emails so lightly (that number was around 33%, I believe).

Suffice to say, violent rhetoric from far-right and GOP is growing as Trump and his allies seek to discredit the investigations; Trump is essentially running on a platform to gut the very agencies that would hold him accountable.


There is no chance in hell of Trump getting to 270. Republican primary voters keep telling themselves "We just have to keep pushing the red pill, then people will wake up, and support Trump."
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:30 am

San Lumen wrote:If this is the route they want to go down I have two words for them: Whig Party.

2024 will be mega tsunami against them if Trump is the nominee.

New-Minneapolis wrote:There is no chance in hell of Trump getting to 270. Republican primary voters keep telling themselves "We just have to keep pushing the red pill, then people will wake up, and support Trump."


I'm not entirely sure. Conventional wisdom says one thing, but Trump has been pretty durable and Biden's numbers aren't that good either. Maybe I'm more pessimistic in this case, but I don't trust Americans to make the right decision come Election Day.

That said, I do think he will be hurt with independents, especially if he gets convicted.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:34 am

Zurkerx wrote:I'm not entirely sure. Conventional wisdom says one thing, but Trump has been pretty durable and Biden's numbers aren't that good either. Maybe I'm more pessimistic in this case, but I don't trust Americans to make the right decision come Election Day.

That said, I do think he will be hurt with independents, especially if he gets convicted.

What's the chance of the corrupt electoral college passing this corrupt octogenarian buffoon a second time? :thinking:
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Postby Bradfordville » Mon Jun 12, 2023 9:42 am

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Zurkerx wrote:12% - that's the percentage of Republicans that said Trump's alleged conduct was a national security risk. A whooping 76% said they were more concern that the indictment was politically motivated rather than Trump created a national security risk. Oddly, 12% agreed with both statements.

In fact, only 38% said Trump keeping the alleged documents of nuclear systems or military plans constituted a national security risk. The rest of the country? 80% said so. And 80% also said Trump should be President even if he was convicted. It's a far cry to what Republicans viewed Clinton's Email Scandal at the time though a larger portion of Democrats also didn't view her emails so lightly (that number was around 33%, I believe).

Suffice to say, violent rhetoric from far-right and GOP is growing as Trump and his allies seek to discredit the investigations; Trump is essentially running on a platform to gut the very agencies that would hold him accountable.


There is no chance in hell of Trump getting to 270. Republican primary voters keep telling themselves "We just have to keep pushing the red pill, then people will wake up, and support Trump."


"There's no way trump can win" is what everyone said right before we were put through 4 years of Trump. Don't get your hopes up, cant you see this is a land of confusion.
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