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Will The US Raise The Debt Ceiling Using the House Proposal as The Basis?

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Senkaku
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Wed May 24, 2023 12:38 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Senkaku wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4017344-rick-scott-issues-travel-advisory-for-socialists-warning-florida-is-openly-hostile-to-them/amp/ <<< relatedly, Florida’s tinpot autocracy rating has just been upgraded again


scott mockingly declaring that florida is hostile enough to socialists for them to avoid going there is not the own he thinks it is.

https://twitter.com/worcdsa/status/1661 ... jurmktwuyw <<< best comparison I’ve seen so far; obviously his is more of an unenforceable PR stunt by a single senator, for now, but this kind of symbolic edict can get ugly when a regime like DeSantis’s decides to consolidate further. Hopefully the campaign will burn DeSantis to a cinder and alienate Scott from him; Scott seems too crafty to risk joining the primaries himself but a boy can dream.
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Postby Terra dei Cittadini » Wed May 24, 2023 12:48 pm

Inflation, explained by NPR News:
There is a formula for what causes inflation, and it's very simple. It is costs plus corporate profits. That's how you get inflation. If costs increase for a company because workers want higher wages or because the cost of raw materials go up, you can get inflation. If corporate profits go up, you can get inflation. Now, you may remember a lot of economists last year saying that corporations or corporate greed was not driving inflation, but corporate profits could be a driver of inflation. It's right there in the inflation formula, says Andrew Glover at the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 24, 2023 12:52 pm

The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
Senkaku wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4017344-rick-scott-issues-travel-advisory-for-socialists-warning-florida-is-openly-hostile-to-them/amp/ <<< relatedly, Florida’s tinpot autocracy rating has just been upgraded again


scott mockingly declaring that florida is hostile enough to socialists for them to avoid going there is not the own he thinks it is.


Hmmm. He just told all the tourists from socialistic countries to stay away.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 24, 2023 12:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:What is alfalfa even used for

To feed cows mainly, cows is the KSA because apparently American cows eat grain
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Libertarian Police State

Postby Eahland » Wed May 24, 2023 1:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:What is alfalfa even used for

To feed cows mainly, cows is the KSA because apparently American cows eat grain

The dairy cows hereabouts eat a lot of alfalfa. We've got a mess of it growing in our back forty that one of the local dairy farmers harvests.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 24, 2023 1:03 pm

Neu California wrote:US states agree breakthrough deal to prevent Colorado River from drying up

I say we leave the alfalfa farms owned by the Saudis high and dry in particular.

Don’t worry those are already being stopped. AZ has refused to let them renew any water leases
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 24, 2023 1:04 pm

Eahland wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:To feed cows mainly, cows is the KSA because apparently American cows eat grain

The dairy cows hereabouts eat a lot of alfalfa. We've got a mess of it growing in our back forty that one of the local dairy farmers harvests.

Well the ones we have growing in AZ are going to cows in the KSA.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Port Caverton » Wed May 24, 2023 1:06 pm

Terra dei Cittadini wrote:Inflation, explained by NPR News:
There is a formula for what causes inflation, and it's very simple. It is costs plus corporate profits. That's how you get inflation. If costs increase for a company because workers want higher wages or because the cost of raw materials go up, you can get inflation. If corporate profits go up, you can get inflation. Now, you may remember a lot of economists last year saying that corporations or corporate greed was not driving inflation, but corporate profits could be a driver of inflation. It's right there in the inflation formula, says Andrew Glover at the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City.

So the government is trying to blame the private sector for its shortcomings?
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby American Legionaries » Wed May 24, 2023 1:07 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:What is alfalfa even used for

To feed cows mainly, cows is the KSA because apparently American cows eat grain


They feed mostly alfalfa hay here, but the dairy men grow their own.

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Senkaku
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Wed May 24, 2023 1:08 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eahland wrote:The dairy cows hereabouts eat a lot of alfalfa. We've got a mess of it growing in our back forty that one of the local dairy farmers harvests.

Well the ones we have growing in AZ are going to cows in the KSA.

It’s because they’re already depleting their own aquifers doing the same thing over there, so their agricultural know-how pretty much extends to using massive amounts of fossil fuels to pump groundwater up onto extremely sunny desert monoculture plantations, and they’re so rich that bulk-shipping it back home to feed their own cows is a rounding error. Fortunately, their pliant American ally also has deserts with big aquifers to tap, so they’re not limited to the land and water supply of the Kingdom. Don’t you love when modern agroindustry turns water into a non-renewable feedstock, to create more arable land which it then also uses as a non-renewable feedstock?
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 24, 2023 1:24 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well the ones we have growing in AZ are going to cows in the KSA.

It’s because they’re already depleting their own aquifers doing the same thing over there, so their agricultural know-how pretty much extends to using massive amounts of fossil fuels to pump groundwater up onto extremely sunny desert monoculture plantations, and they’re so rich that bulk-shipping it back home to feed their own cows is a rounding error. Fortunately, their pliant American ally also has deserts with big aquifers to tap, so they’re not limited to the land and water supply of the Kingdom. Don’t you love when modern agroindustry turns water into a non-renewable feedstock, to create more arable land which it then also uses as a non-renewable feedstock?

I’m well aware of why they do it.

I live in Arizona. Fortunately though at the end of the year they won’t be doing it anymore as the state government has ceased supporting them
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Wed May 24, 2023 1:54 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:Ahhh Florida. Protecting poor white racists from the horrors of the Biden inauguration poem.

Sneaky bastard Biden. Allowing for a poem that has hidden hate messages and will cause confusion and indoctrination.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/us/miami ... index.html


Isn't this the same parent who has complained about several other things too? Florida strikes again. I feel if Democrats could ever take the majority and win the governorship that these laws will be reversed in a heartbeat.


Winning in Jacksonville is a great first step to regaining power. The last Democrat elected governor was Lawton Chiles who served from 1991 to 1998. His Lieutenant Governor Buddy Mackay was the Democratic nominee to succeed him and lost the election to Jeb Bush. MacKay would briefly become Governor after Chiles passing in December of that year from a heart attack.

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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed May 24, 2023 3:31 pm

Ron DeSantis is currently on Twitter with Elon Musk declaring for the Republican nomination as President of the USA, I hope Ron DeSantis understands that if he comes in second place to President Trump by whatever Percentage % as expected, their will be a lot of political pressure at the Republican convention and outside the Republican convention, for him and President Trump to kiss and make up like politics works, and for Ron DeSantis to be President Trump's 2024 Vice President of the USA. of course they will have to work out the 12th amendment problem similar to how Bush and Cheney worked it out.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 24, 2023 3:35 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Ron DeSantis is currently on Twitter with Elon Musk declaring for the Republican nomination as President of the USA, I hope Ron DeSantis understands that if he comes in second place to President Trump by whatever Percentage % as expected, their will be a lot of political pressure at the Republican convention and outside the Republican convention, for him and President Trump to kiss and make up like politics works, and for Ron DeSantis to be President Trump's 2024 Vice President of the USA. of course they will have to work out the 12th amendment problem similar to how Bush and Cheney worked it out.


I hope it's so close, the RNC becomes Thunderdome. RIP Tina, Queen of Bartertown and our hearts.
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Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Wed May 24, 2023 3:40 pm

John Eastman has asked the Supreme Court to wipe away a ruling that said evidence showed that he and Trump may have been plotting a crime.

It's really a moot point because the evidence was handed over to the now defunct Jan 6th Committee. However, it seems Eastman's likely hidden motive is to hopefully null and void the evidence that will probably (there's a good chance) be used if he were to be indicted. Yeah, it just screams desperation.
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed May 24, 2023 3:42 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Ron DeSantis is currently on Twitter with Elon Musk declaring for the Republican nomination as President of the USA, I hope Ron DeSantis understands that if he comes in second place to President Trump by whatever Percentage % as expected, their will be a lot of political pressure at the Republican convention and outside the Republican convention, for him and President Trump to kiss and make up like politics works, and for Ron DeSantis to be President Trump's 2024 Vice President of the USA. of course they will have to work out the 12th amendment problem similar to how Bush and Cheney worked it out.


I hope it's so close, the RNC becomes Thunderdome. RIP Tina, Queen of Bartertown and our hearts.

Tarsonis, thank you for taking me off ignore, I finally posted something that you wanted to quote me on and strongly and respectfully disagree on, Thank you for respectfully engaging with me on this issue - GMS. I look forward to more mutually respectful political posts and disagreements engages.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 24, 2023 3:48 pm

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I hope it's so close, the RNC becomes Thunderdome. RIP Tina, Queen of Bartertown and our hearts.

Tarsonis, thank you for taking me off ignore, I finally posted something that you wanted to quote me on and strongly and respectfully disagree on, Thank you for respectfully engaging me on this issue - GMS. I look forward to more mutually respectful political posts and disagreements engages.

You're still on ignore, you just gave me a golden opportunity to pay tribute to Tina.
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed May 24, 2023 3:53 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Tarsonis, thank you for taking me off ignore, I finally posted something that you wanted to quote me on and strongly and respectfully disagree on, Thank you for respectfully engaging me on this issue - GMS. I look forward to more mutually respectful political posts and disagreements engages.

You're still on ignore, you just gave me a golden opportunity to pay tribute to Tina.

Dude, you took me off ignore on the issue of President Trump, this is what we are all on NS General for, to share our same, similar, and different, economic, political and social views on President Trump, Cuba, CRT Critical Race Theory and all issues, in a mutually respectful manner, not to agree with each other if we disagree with each other. I hope and trust you will reconsider your statement above. GMS.
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Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Wed May 24, 2023 3:54 pm

Ron DeSantis was supposed to announce formally he was running for President on Twitter with Elon Musk. Instead, massive technical glitches on Twitter that kept him from declaring his candidacy, leading to ridicule with the hashtag #DeSaster trending. Not how you want to start your campaign.

Should have announced on a more traditional basis but given his lack of charisma, it made sense why he chose this route. Too bad for him, it was an epic failure that Trump is bound to seize on.

Desaster too is, ironically, also a metal band as I've learned just now.
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Wed May 24, 2023 3:57 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Ron DeSantis was supposed to announce formally he was running for President on Twitter with Elon Musk. Instead, massive technical glitches on Twitter that kept him from declaring his candidacy, leading to ridicule with the hashtag #DeSaster trending. Not how you want to start your campaign.

Should have announced on a more traditional basis but given his lack of charisma, it made sense why he chose this route. Too bad for him, it was an epic failure that Trump is bound to seize on.

Desaster too is, ironically, also a metal band as I've learned just now.

GMS: Yes, I was following it on Twitter, and I kept having technical difficulties.
I will never tell you I am right and you are wrong in any way on any issues we are discussing. I will explain my side of it and I will leave it there.I GMS Am A Proud Conservative Republican Nationalist with A Slight Economic Libertarian Streak Neo Con Paleo Con America First Pro MAGA Pro Trump Ron DeSantis and Ronald Reagan Supporter The original Make America Great Again President of the USA With Pride and Honor.For the 2 Greatest American Presidents of the USA An Awesome Combination.

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 24, 2023 3:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Tarsonis, thank you for taking me off ignore, I finally posted something that you wanted to quote me on and strongly and respectfully disagree on, Thank you for respectfully engaging me on this issue - GMS. I look forward to more mutually respectful political posts and disagreements engages.

You're still on ignore, you just gave me a golden opportunity to pay tribute to Tina.


Actually well played! Loved her in that flim.
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Wed May 24, 2023 3:59 pm

The twitter space launch is disasterous.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed May 24, 2023 3:59 pm

It's great that djt is such a selfish, narcissistic prick that he refuses to cooperate with anybody from the party that's continually licking his arse.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Necroghastia » Wed May 24, 2023 4:01 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Ron DeSantis was supposed to announce formally he was running for President on Twitter with Elon Musk. Instead, massive technical glitches on Twitter that kept him from declaring his candidacy, leading to ridicule with the hashtag #DeSaster trending. Not how you want to start your campaign.

Should have announced on a more traditional basis but given his lack of charisma, it made sense why he chose this route. Too bad for him, it was an epic failure that Trump is bound to seize on.

Desaster too is, ironically, also a metal band as I've learned just now.

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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Pizza Friday Forever91 » Wed May 24, 2023 4:03 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Ron DeSantis was supposed to announce formally he was running for President on Twitter with Elon Musk. Instead, massive technical glitches on Twitter that kept him from declaring his candidacy, leading to ridicule with the hashtag #DeSaster trending. Not how you want to start your campaign.

Should have announced on a more traditional basis but given his lack of charisma, it made sense why he chose this route. Too bad for him, it was an epic failure that Trump is bound to seize on.

Desaster too is, ironically, also a metal band as I've learned just now.

Lack of charisma is an understatement.

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