American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[American Legionaries]

That would seem like the opposite of "owning the libs" then, wouldn't it?

Yes, because he doesn't even know how to do it right

Yes, Ron DeSantis would make a rather poor President.

[Alcala-Cordel]

People underestimated his chances in 2016 as well, but the Democrats decided to nominate an unlikeable candidate who couldn't get people energized. I'm not saying Trump's going to win, but the Democrats should know better than to be overconfident. Especially when their candidate is unlikeable and boring. The popular vote still doesn't elect the president.

And even then she still managed to be more popular with voters than he was overall.

The Republicans wouldn't have won a presidential election in a very long time if the Electoral College didn't give disproportionate amounts of voting power to people within certain areas of land. The system sucks, but for the time being it also isn't going anywhere.

[Ifreann]

That's entirely possible, but it's not good to be so certain. Even if that is the case, it's smart to treat your opponent like a credible threat.

Most likely true. If he's indicted for inciting the attack on the capitol, he might be barred from running under the 14th amendment.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

I think Trump supporters like and respect DeSantis enough to fall in line if he gets the nomination even though he isn't their first choice. I doubt they're gonna pass up the chance to see the left have another meltdown like in 2016.

Trump is going to spend the whole primary campaign shitting on DeSantis, and if he loses he'll claim it was rigged. His supporters will riot before they'd fall in line behind Meatball Ron, or whatever nickname Trump can get to stick.

[American Legionaries]

I think Trump supporters like and respect DeSantis enough to fall in line if he gets the nomination even though he isn't their first choice. I doubt they're gonna pass up the chance to see the left have another meltdown like in 2016.

Trump is going to spend the whole primary campaign shitting on DeSantis, and if he loses he'll claim it was rigged. His supporters will riot before they'd fall in line behind Meatball Ron, or whatever nickname Trump can get to stick.

I mean, if the cost is having Biden again, I'd hope they'd suck it up and not let that happen.

[El Lazaro]

Trump is going to spend the whole primary campaign shitting on DeSantis, and if he loses he'll claim it was rigged. His supporters will riot before they'd fall in line behind Meatball Ron, or whatever nickname Trump can get to stick.

I mean, if the cost is having Biden again, I'd hope they'd suck it up and not let that happen.

If it prevents Floridian Putin from stepping foot in the White House, I hope they throw a tantrum about losing again.

[Ifreann]

Trump is going to spend the whole primary campaign shitting on DeSantis, and if he loses he'll claim it was rigged. His supporters will riot before they'd fall in line behind Meatball Ron, or whatever nickname Trump can get to stick.

I mean, if the cost is having Biden again, I'd hope they'd suck it up and not let that happen.

Knowing Trump's people, they'll cook up some crazy conspiracy about DeSantis secretly being Biden's son, working together to bring down Trump.

[American Legionaries]

I mean, if the cost is having Biden again, I'd hope they'd suck it up and not let that happen.

If it prevents Floridian Putin from stepping foot in the White House, I hope they throw a tantrum about losing again.

As expected.

[El Lazaro]

I mean, if the cost is having Biden again, I'd hope they'd suck it up and not let that happen.

Knowing Trump's people, they'll cook up some crazy conspiracy about DeSantis secretly being Biden's son, working together to bring down Trump.

Ok, hear me out: Ron DeSatanist. Say he had a firstborn son named Mickey before he secretly sacrificed him in an occult ritual dedicated to the Walt Disney Company.

[Pizza Friday Forever91]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/us/i ... &smtyp=cur Yet another report on the catholic church abusing children and then covering it up.

[Zurkerx]

So, reportedly, the Special Counsel investigating Trump's handling of classified information, is wrapping up. It has not been determined if Jack Smith will charge Trump or if he recommended his decision to Garland, who would make the final call.

Some of Trump's allies are embracing for an indictment, which they plan on fundraising off of:

WASHINGTON—Special counsel Jack Smith has all but finished obtaining testimony and other evidence in his criminal investigation into whether former President Donald Trump mishandled classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort, according to people familiar with the matter.

Some of Trump’s close associates are bracing for his indictment and anticipate being able to fundraise off a prosecution, people in the former president’s circle said, as clashes within the Trump legal team have led to the departure of a key lawyer.

In recent weeks prosecutors working for Smith have completed interviews with nearly every employee at Trump’s Florida home, from top political aides to maids and maintenance staff, the people said. Prosecutors have pressed witnesses—some in multiple rounds of testimony—on questions that appeared to home in on specific elements Smith’s team would need to show to prove a crime, including those that speak to Trump’s intentions, and questions aimed at undermining potential defenses Trump could raise, they said.

The special counsel team conducted a flurry of grand jury interviews in recent weeks that appeared to tie up loose ends, the people said.

The Journal couldn’t determine whether Smith has decided whether to charge Trump, or if he has presented a recommendation on the matter to Attorney General Merrick Garland, who would ultimately make a final decision on any such charges. A spokesman for Smith declined to comment. A Trump spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment but has previously described the probe as a politically motivated witch hunt.

Smith’s team, which has been examining whether anyone tried to obstruct the criminal inquiry, has obtained evidence that appears to show Trump held on to sensitive documents after being asked to relinquish them, the people said. Last week the National Archives turned over to Smith’s team records of communications between then-President Trump and some of his advisers about how he could declassify documents, some of the people said, material that could help prosecutors overcome the defense that Trump believed he could do so verbally. CNN first reported the National Archives transfer.

Smith’s team is still pursuing a separate inquiry into efforts by Trump and his allies to overturn his 2020 election loss.

Any charges, if filed, would come at a politically delicate time, as Trump campaigns for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination and is the front-runner to take on President Biden, who has also announced his bid for re-election.

A separate special counsel has also been investigating how and why classified documents ended up at Biden’s home and office, after he left the vice presidency in 2017.

Earlier this year, Trump became the first former president in U.S. history to face criminal charges, after prosecutors in Manhattan charged him with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, in connection with hush money Trump paid to a porn star to allegedly bolster his 2016 presidential campaign. Trump has pleaded not guilty and accused the Manhattan District Attorney, Alvin Bragg, a Democrat, of pursuing him for political reasons.

In a letter to lawmakers last month, lawyers for Trump compared the documents found at Trump’s home to those found at Biden’s residence and others found at former Vice President Mike Pence’s home, saying that “deficient document handling and storage procedures are not limited to any individual, administration or political party.” The lawyers called the Justice Department inquiry an example of “ham-handed criminal investigations of matters that are inherently not criminal.”

The letter, which was viewed by The Wall Street Journal, also said some of the boxes with classified material appeared to contain briefing papers related to phone calls Trump was having with foreign leaders. White House staff appear to have just swept up materials from Trump’s desk as they packed, it said.

One of the letter’s authors, Tim Parlatore, said it was part of an effort to dissuade Garland and prosecutors from pressing criminal charges. But the missive, and particularly a push by its authors to publicize it, triggered upheaval within the Trump legal team, according to people familiar with the matter.

Parlatore, who recently withdrew from representing Trump, told The Wall Street Journal he doesn’t believe charges will be brought against anyone in the Mar-a-Lago investigation. He said his departure from the legal team was prompted generally by clashes with Boris Epshteyn, a top Trump adviser who has functioned as in-house counsel for the former president, assisting with hiring lawyers and coordinating legal efforts.

“There are certain individuals that made defending the president much harder than it needed to be,” Parlatore said on CNN on Saturday.

Epshteyn declined to comment.

A Trump spokesman, Steven Cheung, said Parlatore’s “statements regarding current members of the legal team are unfounded and categorically false.”

Parlatore had pushed, during a visit with Trump, to quietly resolve the infighting and limit Epshteyn’s role in the special-counsel inquiry, people familiar with the matter said.

Among some in Trump’s circle, Epshteyn was seen as hindering communication with the former president and as having exposure in the special counsel’s criminal inquiry that could complicate his advice. He has nevertheless continued to advise Trump in a senior role, those people say.

Prosecutors in Smith’s office interviewed Epshteyn during a two-day span in late April, with a focus on efforts by Trump and his allies to overturn the results of the 2020 election, according to people familiar with the questioning.

[Narland]

DeSantis could very well end up being being offered the VP slot by Trump if he thought that would throw the left most off of balance.

So far my rank choices for GOP of tip five nominees are Trump, then Elder, then Ramaswamy, then Scott, and finally DeSantis. Some haven't been looked at yet. So far no one is on my is on "No, way in that very hot, dark, fiery place" list.

[Ifreann]

DeSantis could very well end up being being offered the VP slot by Trump if he thought that would throw the left most off of balance.

So far my rank choices for GOP of tip five nominees are Trump, then Elder, then Ramaswamy, then Scott, and finally DeSantis. Some haven't been looked at yet. So far no one is on my is on "No, way in that very hot, dark, fiery place" list.

Trump does have a history of humiliating grown men so much that they start kissing his ass.

[Corrian]

Its amazing how much Minnesota has gotten done. You look at their checklist of stuff passed this session SO FAR and its wild.

[Narland]

That's the thing. The rural right is livid. What they see isn't a person being fairly indicted.

What they see are statutes being twisted by petty leftists, hostile jurists and corrupt politicians from what they perceive as blue hell-holes willing to go to any length to vilify Trump by maliciously disregarding due process of New York statute. The DOJ and FBI have already been shown that they knew the Russian Collusion accusations were concocted by the Clinton campaign and proceeded to maliciously attempt to indict the President of the United States. If the Left is willing to frame one of the most powerful men in America just because he stands up for Red State America, what will those same despots do to them when they get the chance?

That is the mindset that many of the right bring to the 2024 GOP primaries.

And this is why looking into the future brings me little hope, besides that whole "climate change fucking the world" mess. Hatred and self-isolation into ideological bolt holes will give eventually, the only question is, how? Alas, some of these cultural issues mean Lefties like myself aren't willing to hand out any olive branches particularly on abortion and the "Trans Question" that's been so massively inflated.

Agree. It does not look good. What the left considers abortion rights, the right considers baby-killing. What the left sees as gender fluidity, the right sees as insufferable cruelty by ideologues willing to indoctrinate children and exploit the mentally ill as political pawns to further their authoritarian ends. The Left wants a culture of revolution to bring about authoritarian Marxist change, the right wants a culture that conserves the epistemology of Classical Liberalism by ontological constitutional republicanism that is inherently and fundamentally anti-authoritarian. The Left sees earth changes as a horror show ostensibly of human making, while the right sees the same data and expects the usual mixed results from thousands if not millions of years of constantly changing climes.

And the rift continues to widen. At least we can discuss our differences over a forum. I still enjoy coffee shop discussions near the University with others over beer (or coffee. Sometimes non alcoholic carbonated soda in my case) and pizza.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

And this is why looking into the future brings me little hope, besides that whole "climate change fucking the world" mess. Hatred and self-isolation into ideological bolt holes will give eventually, the only question is, how? Alas, some of these cultural issues mean Lefties like myself aren't willing to hand out any olive branches particularly on abortion and the "Trans Question" that's been so massively inflated.

Agree. It does not look good. What the left considers abortion rights, the right considers baby-killing. What the left sees as gender fluidity, the right sees as insufferable cruelty by ideologues willing to indoctrinate children and exploit the mentally ill as political pawns to further their authoritarian ends. The Left wants a culture of revolution to bring about authoritarian Marxist change, the right wants a culture that conserves the epistemology of Classical Liberalism by ontological constitutional republicanism that is inherently and fundamentally anti-authoritarian. The Left sees earth changes as a horror show ostensibly of human making, while the right sees the same data and expects the usual mixed results from thousands if not millions of years of constantly changing climes.

And the rift continues to widen. At least we can discuss our differences over a forum. I still enjoy coffee shop discussions near the University with others over beer (or coffee. Sometimes non alcoholic carbonated soda in my case) and pizza.

I’m starting to think that you haven’t realised just how ridiculous your ideas of what the right thinks are. Ya know, considering the fact the last time I checked, the Left didn’t try to overthrow the democratic government…

The Republicans have drifted faaaaaaar away from Classical Liberalism. Taft and Goldwater would be fucking pissed if they saw the party today.

[Shrillland]

Another Plaza measure, and it's not from Texas this time..

New York: Another amendment would extend the time period that sewer construction, repair, and maintenance would be excluded from how much debt a municipality could incur until 2034(currently set to expire in 2024 and routinely gets extended).

[Fartsniffage]

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will announce his 2024 presidential bid during a discussion with Elon Musk on Wednesday, according to US media.

Mr Musk, Twitter's CEO, is scheduled to host a Twitter Spaces event with Mr DeSantis at 18:00 local time (22:00 GMT).

A campaign video is expected later the same evening, according to NBC.

Mr DeSantis is considered the main challenger to former president Donald Trump.

The governor is part of a growing list of Republican contenders for the party's nomination for the 2024 presidential race.

Twitter Spaces is a platform that allows "creators" to host audio conversations on Twitter.

A Fox News tweet about the upcoming Twitter Spaces meeting was retweeted by Mr Musk to his 140 million followers on Tuesday.

Mr DeSantis's announcement will come on the first day of a fundraising retreat in Miami where his supporters will reportedly be briefed about the upcoming campaign.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65689744

Musk has picked De Santis.

[Incelastan]

Agree. It does not look good. What the left considers abortion rights, the right considers baby-killing. What the left sees as gender fluidity, the right sees as insufferable cruelty by ideologues willing to indoctrinate children and exploit the mentally ill as political pawns to further their authoritarian ends. The Left wants a culture of revolution to bring about authoritarian Marxist change, the right wants a culture that conserves the epistemology of Classical Liberalism by ontological constitutional republicanism that is inherently and fundamentally anti-authoritarian. The Left sees earth changes as a horror show ostensibly of human making, while the right sees the same data and expects the usual mixed results from thousands if not millions of years of constantly changing climes.

And the rift continues to widen. At least we can discuss our differences over a forum. I still enjoy coffee shop discussions near the University with others over beer (or coffee. Sometimes non alcoholic carbonated soda in my case) and pizza.

I’m starting to think that you haven’t realised just how ridiculous your ideas of what the right thinks are. Ya know, considering the fact the last time I checked, the Left didn’t try to overthrow the democratic government…

The Republicans have drifted faaaaaaar away from Classical Liberalism. Taft and Goldwater would be fucking pissed if they saw the party today.

The GOP has been so thoroughly corrupted, in so many different ways, over so many different generations, that they have become the polar opposite of what they were meant to be. They were founded as champions of anti-slavery causes and free labor, of the little guy. They have become the fiercest champions of the new feudalism in which robber barons have replaced the seigneurial elite of old. At least there are still some small pockets of the Democratic Party that are redeemable, however small. It's like the difference between an entirely rotten apple and one that's only mostly rotten.

[Ifreann]

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will announce his 2024 presidential bid during a discussion with Elon Musk on Wednesday, according to US media.

Mr Musk, Twitter's CEO, is scheduled to host a Twitter Spaces event with Mr DeSantis at 18:00 local time (22:00 GMT).

A campaign video is expected later the same evening, according to NBC.

Mr DeSantis is considered the main challenger to former president Donald Trump.

The governor is part of a growing list of Republican contenders for the party's nomination for the 2024 presidential race.

Twitter Spaces is a platform that allows "creators" to host audio conversations on Twitter.

A Fox News tweet about the upcoming Twitter Spaces meeting was retweeted by Mr Musk to his 140 million followers on Tuesday.

Mr DeSantis's announcement will come on the first day of a fundraising retreat in Miami where his supporters will reportedly be briefed about the upcoming campaign.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65689744

Musk has picked De Santis.

Musk does hate trans people quite a bit since his trans kid disowned him.

[The Black Forrest]

Another Plaza measure, and it's not from Texas this time..

New York: Another amendment would extend the time period that sewer construction, repair, and maintenance would be excluded from how much debt a municipality could incur until 2034(currently set to expire in 2024 and routinely gets extended).

Nice game of kick the can.

[Shrillland]

Another Plaza measure, and it's not from Texas this time..

New York: Another amendment would extend the time period that sewer construction, repair, and maintenance would be excluded from how much debt a municipality could incur until 2034(currently set to expire in 2024 and routinely gets extended).

Nice game of kick the can.

They've just done it because they figure sewers are important, so they just don't count it as part of a city's constitutional debt limit. It's been in the state constitution since 1963 and gets renewed every ten years.

[The Black Forrest]

Nice game of kick the can.

They've just done it because they figure sewers are important, so they just don't count it as part of a city's constitutional debt limit. It's been in the state constitution since 1963 and gets renewed every ten years.

Ohhh ok. Thanks!

[Bradfordville]

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will announce his 2024 presidential bid during a discussion with Elon Musk on Wednesday, according to US media.

Mr Musk, Twitter's CEO, is scheduled to host a Twitter Spaces event with Mr DeSantis at 18:00 local time (22:00 GMT).

A campaign video is expected later the same evening, according to NBC.

Mr DeSantis is considered the main challenger to former president Donald Trump.

The governor is part of a growing list of Republican contenders for the party's nomination for the 2024 presidential race.

Twitter Spaces is a platform that allows "creators" to host audio conversations on Twitter.

A Fox News tweet about the upcoming Twitter Spaces meeting was retweeted by Mr Musk to his 140 million followers on Tuesday.

Mr DeSantis's announcement will come on the first day of a fundraising retreat in Miami where his supporters will reportedly be briefed about the upcoming campaign.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65689744

Musk has picked De Santis.

Musk does hate trans people quite a bit since his trans kid disowned him.

He should have a get together with Steven crowder. The man whose kid left him and the guy whose wife left him.

[Tarsonis]

Musk does hate trans people quite a bit since his trans kid disowned him.

He should have a get together with Steven crowder. The man whose kid left him and the guy whose wife left him.

I don't understand some people.

Mrs. Tars: *Takes Car*

Me: "Oh no" *Takes off shoes* I'm stranded *Gets in PJs*. All my day plans are ruined. *Blankets on the couch* What ever will I do *boots up Xbox*

[Gravlen]

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will announce his 2024 presidential bid during a discussion with Elon Musk on Wednesday, according to US media.

Mr Musk, Twitter's CEO, is scheduled to host a Twitter Spaces event with Mr DeSantis at 18:00 local time (22:00 GMT).

A campaign video is expected later the same evening, according to NBC.

Mr DeSantis is considered the main challenger to former president Donald Trump.

The governor is part of a growing list of Republican contenders for the party's nomination for the 2024 presidential race.

Twitter Spaces is a platform that allows "creators" to host audio conversations on Twitter.

A Fox News tweet about the upcoming Twitter Spaces meeting was retweeted by Mr Musk to his 140 million followers on Tuesday.

Mr DeSantis's announcement will come on the first day of a fundraising retreat in Miami where his supporters will reportedly be briefed about the upcoming campaign.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65689744

Musk has picked De Santis.

To be fair, he did that a long time ago.

I did like the Trump campaign's response though, something about it only being natural that DeSantis would announce it on Twitter so people didn't have to see him in person.