American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[American Legionaries]

I'm simply pointing out that they have no legal obligation to protect people. Sometimes, they might arrive in time. But it's not guaranteed.

That is brought up all the time as a scare tactic. Until I see multiple instances….I don’t believe it.

I mean, there are multiple instances of police holding back when people are in danger, Uvalde being a recent high-profile example. Regardless, even if they hurry as fast as they can, that's often far too slow to intervene before a person is harmed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

He was referring to me, because I said that I favored expanded background checks.

Ahh. Never understood what that is so scary. Anybody can get a background check on people…..

Because background checks aren't free and are often used as another way to try and price people out of gun ownership.

If they were free then yeah every single transaction should have one, but until then no.

[American Legionaries]

Ahh. Never understood what that is so scary. Anybody can get a background check on people…..

Because background checks aren't free and are often used as another way to try and price people out of gun ownership.

If they were free then yeah every single transaction should have one, but until then no.

But surely there's a reason why I ought to be charged for five background checks in a row. Y'know just in case I had accidentally committed a violent crime while standing at the counter.

[Ifreann]

Well, the police aren't legally obligated to defend them. Just to arrest and investigate. Courts have ruled as much.

I'm all for expanded background checks, but most of the other measures are about particular weapons and don't actually do anything to keep them out of criminal hands. Yeah, I'm a pro-gun leftist unicorn. End of tangent.

Have any examples of a home invasions, etc., and the police showed up after their donuts and coffee?

Castle Rock, Colorado, 1999. Simon Gonzales kidnaps his three children, aged 7, 9, and 10, from outside their mother's house, who has a restraining order against him. He calls his ex-wife, Jessica Gonzales, and tells her he's taking them to an amusement park in Denver. She informs the police of all of this. Castle Rock police take no action. Hours later, Simon Gonzales arrives at Castle Rock police station and is killed in a shootout with police. The three girls are found in his truck, already dead, presumably murdered by their father, though neither cause nor time of death could be established. The Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect Ms. Gonzales or her children.

[The Black Forrest]

Meh. Let’s see if that remains when the people are distracted by the next shiny.

I think that it's significant that, even now, in a two-man contest, which is likely to emerge when the dust settles, De Santis holds his own. It's touch and go which of them is more frightening as a potential Republican nominee and, worst case scenario, President.

They are both pretty horrible.

We have issues. China and Russia have decided to attack our tech as they can’t compete on that front. Water issues, job issues, the next plague, etc., etc.

Their big issues. The brown hordes, drag queens, pronouns, and of course the efforts on one to self-enrich. Don’t know if DeSantis has done things like that. Probably has and the press is more interested in his anti-lgbtq efforts.

[The Black Forrest]

Have any examples of a home invasions, etc., and the police showed up after their donuts and coffee?

Castle Rock, Colorado, 1999. Simon Gonzales kidnaps his three children, aged 7, 9, and 10, from outside their mother's house, who has a restraining order against him. He calls his ex-wife, Jessica Gonzales, and tells her he's taking them to an amusement park in Denver. She informs the police of all of this. Castle Rock police take no action. Hours later, Simon Gonzales arrives at Castle Rock police station and is killed in a shootout with police. The three girls are found in his truck, already dead, presumably murdered by their father, though neither cause nor time of death could be established. The Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect Ms. Gonzales or her children.

Ok. One.

Now how many times have they shown up?

[Elwher]

Castle Rock, Colorado, 1999. Simon Gonzales kidnaps his three children, aged 7, 9, and 10, from outside their mother's house, who has a restraining order against him. He calls his ex-wife, Jessica Gonzales, and tells her he's taking them to an amusement park in Denver. She informs the police of all of this. Castle Rock police take no action. Hours later, Simon Gonzales arrives at Castle Rock police station and is killed in a shootout with police. The three girls are found in his truck, already dead, presumably murdered by their father, though neither cause nor time of death could be established. The Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect Ms. Gonzales or her children.

Ok. One.

Now how many times have they shown up?

That, sir, is on a level with the argument that 1,092 civilians were killed by police in the past 12 months. Now, how many police interactions did not result in dead citizens?

In both cases, one is one too many.

[Ifreann]

Castle Rock, Colorado, 1999. Simon Gonzales kidnaps his three children, aged 7, 9, and 10, from outside their mother's house, who has a restraining order against him. He calls his ex-wife, Jessica Gonzales, and tells her he's taking them to an amusement park in Denver. She informs the police of all of this. Castle Rock police take no action. Hours later, Simon Gonzales arrives at Castle Rock police station and is killed in a shootout with police. The three girls are found in his truck, already dead, presumably murdered by their father, though neither cause nor time of death could be established. The Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect Ms. Gonzales or her children.

Ok. One.

Now how many times have they shown up?

New York City, New York, 2011. Joseph Lozito is stabbed by Maksim Gelman on a subway train. Gelman had, at this point, been on a twenty-eight hour stabbing spree. He had already killed four people and injured four others when he attacked Lozito. Lozito fought for his life and, despite having been stabbed in the head was able to disarm Gelman, at which point two police officers emerged from the train's cab and arrested Gelman. Gelman had been banging on the door, claiming to be a police officer and demanding to be let in before he turned and attacked Lozito. The officers were fully aware of Lozito being attacked and yet did nothing to help him. Lozito sued the city and lost, because of the Castle Rock v. Gonzales precedent.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok. One.

Now how many times have they shown up?

That, sir, is on a level with the argument that 1,092 civilians were killed by police in the past 12 months. Now, how many police interactions did not result in dead citizens?

In both cases, one is one too many.

Ohhh yea I keep forgetting the edgy the police are more dangerous then the criminal claims on NSG.

To quote an old friend “Uh-huh”

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Castle Rock, Colorado, 1999. Simon Gonzales kidnaps his three children, aged 7, 9, and 10, from outside their mother's house, who has a restraining order against him. He calls his ex-wife, Jessica Gonzales, and tells her he's taking them to an amusement park in Denver. She informs the police of all of this. Castle Rock police take no action. Hours later, Simon Gonzales arrives at Castle Rock police station and is killed in a shootout with police. The three girls are found in his truck, already dead, presumably murdered by their father, though neither cause nor time of death could be established. The Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect Ms. Gonzales or her children.

Ok. One.

Now how many times have they shown up?

The argument was that police don't HAVE to save you. Hence, 1 case is more than enough.

[American Legionaries]

That, sir, is on a level with the argument that 1,092 civilians were killed by police in the past 12 months. Now, how many police interactions did not result in dead citizens?

In both cases, one is one too many.

Ohhh yea I keep forgetting the edgy the police are more dangerous then the criminal claims on NSG.

To quote an old friend “Uh-huh”

Did someone say this?

[The Black Forrest]

Ohhh yea I keep forgetting the edgy the police are more dangerous then the criminal claims on NSG.

To quote an old friend “Uh-huh”

Did someone say this?

That was one of Ash’s taglines. I think she mainly used it for silly arguments.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok. One.

Now how many times have they shown up?

The argument was that police don't HAVE to save you. Hence, 1 case is more than enough.

And yet how many times have they shown up?

[American Legionaries]

The argument was that police don't HAVE to save you. Hence, 1 case is more than enough.

And yet how many times have they shown up?

In time to actually prevent violent crime from occurring? Not many.

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

The argument was that police don't HAVE to save you. Hence, 1 case is more than enough.

And yet how many times have they shown up?

Whenever they find it in their best interests, evidently.

[The Black Forrest]

And yet how many times have they shown up?

Whenever they find it in their best interests, evidently.

Not an answer. Anyways…..

[Thermodolia]

I think we can change the title. Trump hasn’t been indicted and he hasn’t been arrested.

[Ifreann]

I think we can change the title. Trump hasn’t been indicted and he hasn’t been arrested.

Why can't we have nice things?

[Ors Might]

The argument was that police don't HAVE to save you. Hence, 1 case is more than enough.

And yet how many times have they shown up?

The cops showing up won't unmurder anyone.

[Ifreann]

And yet how many times have they shown up?

The cops showing up won't unmurder anyone.

They might, in fact, murder someone.

[Ors Might]

The cops showing up won't unmurder anyone.

They might, in fact, murder someone.

Worse still, they might shoot my dogs.

[Untecna]

They might, in fact, murder someone.

Worse still, they might shoot my dogs.

atf jumpscare

[Northern Seleucia]

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[San Lumen]

https://abc7chicago.com/book-bans-illin ... /12993420/

Illinois House passes bill prohibiting libraries from banning books due to partisan pressure

[Northern Seleucia]

https://abc7chicago.com/book-bans-illinois-library-house-of-representatives-politics/12993420/

Illinois House passes bill prohibiting libraries from banning books due to partisan pressure

How will they prove partisan pressure?