American Politics: Fiscal Cliffhanger

[EuroStralia]

There are worse governors in the US, past or oresant, than DeSantis.

Not too many, if we remove the open white supremacy (which mind you, is only slightly more open than DeSantis). Maybe uh…George Wallace?

Lilburn Boggs.

[The Jamesian Republic]

DeSantis is somehow easily the worst governor in the US, which is saying something.

Sarah Palin walks in rapping in a pink bear costume

*Gets mistaken for Tina Fey*

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

what was Sarah Palin thinking when she decided to run again in 2022 for representative?

*twice.

What was she thinking when she did this?

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Not too many, if we remove the open white supremacy (which mind you, is only slightly more open than DeSantis). Maybe uh…George Wallace?

Lilburn Boggs.

Ok, if we ignore the genocide, slavery, and white supremacy, I can’t think of too many.

[Pizza Friday Forever91]

Not too many, if we remove the open white supremacy (which mind you, is only slightly more open than DeSantis). Maybe uh…George Wallace?

Lilburn Boggs.

Order 44 was entirely justified against the Mormons.

[EuroStralia]

Lilburn Boggs.

Ok, if we ignore the genocide, slavery, and white supremacy, I can’t think of too many.

DeSantis is only the worst governor if you exclude thev genocide, slavery, and white supremacy commited by other governors.

[Haganham]

what was Sarah Palin thinking when she decided to run again in 2022 for representative?

Narcissism. Same reason Ginsburg wouldn't step down while Obama was still president.

[Hispida]

There are worse governors in the US, past or oresant, than DeSantis.

Not too many, if we remove the open white supremacy (which mind you, is only slightly more open than DeSantis). Maybe uh…George Wallace?

as far as i can tell, george wallace wasn't a... horrible governor. bad? definitely, but a lot of his segregationist rhetoric was just opportunist schlock to get himself elected. his actual policies were a mix of bad and "eh" and i've even found a few anecdotes online of POC's ancestors in alabama actually supporting wallace for improving black communities. somehow.

i wouldn't say he was one of the worst, but he was definitely bad. there's far worse.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Ok, if we ignore the genocide, slavery, and white supremacy, I can’t think of too many.

DeSantis is only the worst governor if you exclude thev genocide, slavery, and white supremacy commited by other governors.

So…he’s the worst one if we don’t count most pre-1930s ones, and most southern governors pre-1980, give or take.

[Ifreann]

He's probably the worst governor you have at the moment.

[EuroStralia]

He's probably the worst governor you have at the moment.

There's worse.

[Haganham]

He's probably the worst governor you have at the moment.

traditionally people only have one governor at a time.

[San Lumen]

How do you know it’s what their constituents want? A referendum was passed because the people are sick and tired of the childish behavior.

The majority is being prevented from doing anything of note. The Republicans in Oregon are not interested in compromise.

How indeed do we know what their constituents want? Maybe there should be an election.

Half of The state senate is up for election next year and several incumbents will not be eligible for reelection due to their unexcused absences.

[Pizza Friday Forever91]

presidents LOVE warning people about problems they created right before they leave office.

[Tarsonis]

presidents LOVE warning people about problems they created right before they leave office.

Blame Washington for teaching them how to say goodbye.

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

He's probably the worst governor you have at the moment.

There's worse.

…I’m waiting.

Hell, even Kay Ivey hasn’t gone this far into batshit doodoo culture war child-kidnapping shit. DeSantis makes Trump look like a moderate. DeSantis would make Pat Buchanan proud. DeSantis would probably be enough to get all the (non-white supremacist) conservatives of a century ago from Robert Taft to Bob Dole to jump ship. That’s how batshit he is.

[Ifreann]

He's probably the worst governor you have at the moment.

traditionally people only have one governor at a time.

America seems to have about 50.

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How indeed do we know what their constituents want? Maybe there should be an election.

Half of The state senate is up for election next year and several incumbents will not be eligible for reelection due to their unexcused absences.

Clearly that's unacceptable. Instead of forcing them out of office, their constituents should decide.

[San Lumen]

traditionally people only have one governor at a time.

America seems to have about 50.

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Half of The state senate is up for election next year and several incumbents will not be eligible for reelection due to their unexcused absences.

Clearly that's unacceptable. Instead of forcing them out of office, their constituents should decide.

And some of these districts would elect my dog if nominated as a Republican. The minority does not have the right to prevent the state legislature from functioning and keep the majority from enacting what they were elected to do by the majority of the populous. If they do have this right what’s the point of having a Republic?

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

traditionally people only have one governor at a time.

America seems to have about 50.

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Half of The state senate is up for election next year and several incumbents will not be eligible for reelection due to their unexcused absences.

Clearly that's unacceptable. Instead of forcing them out of office, their constituents should decide.

I dunno about you, but if the Republicans want to gerrymander and create democratic backsliding, well, fair is fair. Who votes for a “No Malarkey executive order”, officially banning all Republican officeholders who have denied the result of the 2020 election? Or maybe just shift Congress towards a more proportional system, which definitely won’t result in the Republicans having all of 10 senators vs like 10 from California.

[Zurkerx]

It Will Make a Difference: Ukrainian Americans, who have been traditionally Republican voters, are increasingly saying they will either stay home or vote for Biden if Trump or DeSantis is the GOP Nominee. That also includes anger directed at Congressional Republicans who have taken a stance that hasn't favor Ukraine overall.

There are about 1 million Ukrainian Americans, but they are surprisingly dense in only a few areas, particularly in Michigan and Pennsylvania, as well as 13 competitive districts identified in New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Washington, Connecticut, California and Colorado; Republicans and Democrats won about half of them. And based on census data, about 4/5's of that group are of voting age:

In Pennsylvania and Michigan, the size of the Ukrainian-American community outstrips Trump's margin of victory in 2016, according to the analysis. In at least 13 congressional districts across the country, it exceeds or roughly matches the margin of victory by either party in the 2022 midterm elections.

In PA, about 92,000 people identify as Ukrainian American, which is more than double Trump's 2016 victory margin of 44,000 votes; for Biden, it's about 11,000 more than his victory margin of 81,000.

And in Michigan, they're about 33,000, three times more than Trump's margin of victory of 11,000 votes back in 2016 (Biden who Michigan by about 200,000 votes in 2020).

Democrats would be foolish to not exploit this and could use it to retain their seats and gain seats, as well as keep in their column PA and Michigan - two critical States that will decide the 2024 Election.

But there is a growing impatience among Americans on the war in Ukraine, which seems more closely tied to the perception of whether Ukraine is winning and Russia is losing. In particular, this more stark with Republicans, who are more opposed to aid than Democrats. It's a startling revelation given 20 years ago, this would have likely shown strong bipartisan support for Ukraine. Now, with the MAGA movement taking control of the GOP, it has made a seemingly bipartisan issue partisan.

[Tarsonis]

America seems to have about 50.

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Clearly that's unacceptable. Instead of forcing them out of office, their constituents should decide.

And some of these districts would elect my dog if nominated as a Republican. The minority does not have the right to prevent the state legislature from functioning and keep the majority from enacting what they were elected to do by the majority of the populous. If they do have this right what’s the point of having a Republic?

We've already been over this, but you refuse to learn. You're just cycling Wagner's talking points like a good little soldier.

[Khurkhogur]

When a socialist society is required to support everything and everyone, it collapses.

What “socialist society” are we talking about here? Are you just subtweeting the old Red Army budget or something?

Say 5% of people in a socialist society decide to neither work nor obey social standards/the law. Not only would the remaining populace have to take on the responsibilities for that 5%, but their quality of life would be reduced (people who disobey standards cause social chaos). That would be catastrophic for the system, because those most committed to upholding it would be the ones punished for the lax behavior of others.

Say I had twenty watermelons, and I gave you nine. That would be catastrophic for me, because I would then have fewer watermelons.

Say you completely missed the point and are probably arguing in bad faith.

[Khurkhogur]

I am talking about the real world.
When a socialist society is required to support everything and everyone, it collapses. Say 5% of people in a socialist society decide to neither work nor obey social standards/the law. Not only would the remaining populace have to take on the responsibilities for that 5%, but their quality of life would be reduced (people who disobey standards cause social chaos). That would be catastrophic for the system, because those most committed to upholding it would be the ones punished for the lax behavior of others.
It's capitalism that allows people to fall through the cracks without it really causing a burden on the system. Now you should see what I mean about capitalism and liberty going together. The system can tolerate people slacking off/causing social chaos because it's not really responsible for their wellbeing. For example, those who don't work in a capitalist society become homeless, at which point they're nobody's responsibility.

You're moving the goalposts here. First it was socialism and personal freedom are naturally opposed to each other, now it's socialism with personal freedom would collapse. Those are two very different statements. Like, plenty of capitalists argue that any form of socialism is doomed to failure, does that mean that there's no such thing as socialism in their conception of things? Of course not.
Also, why are you conflating all forms of personal expression with refusing to work?

Yes, clearly I'm shifting the goalposts. It doesn't logically follow that if two things are naturally opposed, one hinders the other. That's absurd. It's me shifting goalposts. You're just grasping at straws to make me look bad because you haven't thought of a response. I don't know what you're going on about with capitalists claiming socialism can't work or whatever, that's completely tangential and has nothing to do with my argument.
And on the last point, it's because I hate working.

Re: Conflation of personal expression with refusing to work
I am not the person to whom you are replying, but refusing to work, take a bath, neither cut nor groom one's hair; and live off of love, hope, peace, joy, gasoline fumes and the charity of others in a VW minibus is the best form of personal expression when sticking it to the man -- especially if the man is a stateless state that expects everyone to work according to their abilities but can only receive from that stateless state merely what that stateless state deems that someone needs. The stateless state gets beleaguered, and the vanguard testy/cross/homicidal when their non-serf serfs that actually can work don't make quota (especially because they refuse to do so as part of their self-expression) as it disrupts all of society. When the man being stuck are free and open markets of free and self-interested individuals following (at the very least) the non-aggression principle it harms nobody. The resale value of the VW minibus is destroyed but that is a thing (not a VW Thing but a thing thing) and not a person.

Put it better than I could've. Also "testy/cross/homicidal" Gold

[Ifreann]

America seems to have about 50.

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Clearly that's unacceptable. Instead of forcing them out of office, their constituents should decide.

And some of these districts would elect my dog if nominated as a Republican. The minority does not have the right to prevent the state legislature from functioning and keep the majority from enacting what they were elected to do by the majority of the populous. If they do have this right what’s the point of having a Republic?

You don't have the right to dictate who can represent these districts in the state legislature. If you support democracy then you have to accept that people will sometimes elect someone you don't like.

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America seems to have about 50.

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Clearly that's unacceptable. Instead of forcing them out of office, their constituents should decide.

I dunno about you, but if the Republicans want to gerrymander and create democratic backsliding, well, fair is fair. Who votes for a “No Malarkey executive order”, officially banning all Republican officeholders who have denied the result of the 2020 election? Or maybe just shift Congress towards a more proportional system, which definitely won’t result in the Republicans having all of 10 senators vs like 10 from California.

So you don't care about the erosion of democratic rights, you just want your team to be the one that does it.

[Khurkhogur]

I dunno about you, but if the Republicans want to gerrymander and create democratic backsliding, well, fair is fair. Who votes for a “No Malarkey executive order”, officially banning all Republican officeholders who have denied the result of the 2020 election? Or maybe just shift Congress towards a more proportional system, which definitely won’t result in the Republicans having all of 10 senators vs like 10 from California.

So you don't care about the erosion of democratic rights, you just want your team to be the one that does it.