American Politics: The Speaker's Cornered

[American Legionaries]

Oh I understand. In this Tucker is worse as he is happy to do it for a paycheck. If it wasn’t for his moms fishstick money (assuming she had a decent allowance); he would probably would have been one of those AM radio guys spouting conspiracies.

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Always an after thought. I don’t consider Tucker a propagandist. He is just a shit spewer with scripts given to him. An example of a “real” propagandist. Our old Nazi friend Goebbels. I had a uni assignment to review some of his “news” reels about Jews. Even knowing the Nazis, not liking them and having had family fight them? I was surprised I was “subconsciously” reacting to them. Goebbels was an evil genius with the propaganda.

I listen to Tucker and find I only want to bitch slap him and give him a swirly.

The most disgusting thing about Tucker Carlson is that he goes on small, independent shows/podcasts and basically says he is a huge bullshitter, and he knows that most of his audience won't see it, or if they do, they're going to be the folks "LOLZ TUCKER PLAYING 8D CHEST WITH DA LIBZ"

Tbh it's really just kinda hilarious.

[New-Minneapolis]

The most disgusting thing about Tucker Carlson is that he goes on small, independent shows/podcasts and basically says he is a huge bullshitter, and he knows that most of his audience won't see it, or if they do, they're going to be the folks "LOLZ TUCKER PLAYING 8D CHEST WITH DA LIBZ"

Tbh it's really just kinda hilarious.

Can't you right wing populists get figureheads that actually believe what they're espousing?

[American Legionaries]

Tbh it's really just kinda hilarious.

Can't you right wing populists get figureheads that actually believe what they're espousing?

Why?

[Haganham]

Tbh it's really just kinda hilarious.

Can't you right wing populists get figureheads that actually believe what they're espousing?

Nobody with the sort of money that comes with being on Fox is going to be a populist.

[Ameriganastan]

Still trying to decide whether to enjoy this, or worry this will bolster him for 2024...

[Urkennalaid]

Nobody with the sort of money that comes with being on Fox is going to be a populist.

Tucker is absolutely a populist. That doesn't mean he actually cares about the working class, but Right-Wing populism is very well known throughout history. Fascists regularly use that rhetoric to this day, like far right parties in Europe all the time. Right-wing populism blames minorities for the elites, instead of...y'know, capitalism.

[Zurkerx]

In an apparent loss to Fox News, a judge ruled that Dominion's defamation case can go to trial.

Fox had tried to get the case dismissed. The judge also ruled that the challenged statements are false, which means that Dominion doesn't have to litigate baseless conspiracy theories about its role in the 2020:

“The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true,” wrote Judge Eric Davis in his 81-page ruling.

The judge didn't side with either side per se, but he seems to have given Dominion a good chance at trial with a jury. Fox will surely try to settle though if I'm Dominion, I would not do that.

I hope they ram it home as well. A judgement against Fox would be great as when the next time they get sued; penalties come into play.

I knew a guy who sued Apple and won. Classic age discrimination and rather blatant case at that. People let him know what went down. He sued and Apple lawyers were extremely arrogant. We are Apple and we will delay and wear you down. Apple didn’t look into his financial background. Family owned a couple malls in the area and I think another state. He was also an apple founding worker and still had all his stock. He told his lawyers continue on. Apple did figure it out and really tried to get him to settle later on. On the last attempt and rejection they asked why? He said you did something wrong and you did to a person with resources. I want this on the books so when you do it again. You know you will. The next person will get a big payout.

This is why so many companies settle. Existing judgements against you really hurt when you do it again.

Yeah, it's something Fox doesn't want, especially since they have a second lawsuit by Smartmatic though I'm not sure if they have the evidence to make their case that strong. That said, I do hope they're forced to state that "yeah, we lied to you" but I don't that part will happen.

Good for that guy though: he did the right thing against Apple. Fox has a tendency to settle a lot and people take it. Let's hope that streak ends.

Now, of course, people I think will continue to watch Fox (it's a whole another reality on there; I see with my family), but I feel they will start bleeding support.

[Haganham]

Nobody with the sort of money that comes with being on Fox is going to be a populist.

Tucker is absolutely a populist. That doesn't mean he actually cares about the working class, but Right-Wing populism is very well known throughout history. Fascists regularly use that rhetoric to this day, like far right parties in Europe all the time. Right-wing populism blames minorities for the elites, instead of...y'know, capitalism.

Populists have to care about the working class. They are the people.

[Urkennalaid]

Populists have to care about the working class. They are the people.

Thats not really how it works. Right Wing populism goes hand in hand with nationalism, and it has been used as a concept to fuel fascism and other rhetoric since the late 1800s, in France and Germany. It doesn't inherently mean that they HAVE to care about the working class.

[Cannot think of a name]

That should be....interesting. I overheard someone yesterday say, "Who am I supposed to vote for now?" I couldn't help but think....not a Republican? But that's probably a stretch with her, as with a lot of neighbors.

Pretty sure Trump will still be able to run as president if he goes to jail, so if he somehow makes it to the polls while serving time, she can still vote for him.

I don't think he's heading for jail, at least not on this one. It's a fine and a restriction of some kind. No way the candidate himself ends up going to actual jail for it.

[Narland]

Populists have to care about the working class. They are the people.

Thats not really how it works. Right Wing populism goes hand in hand with nationalism, and it has been used as a concept to fuel fascism and other rhetoric since the late 1800s, in France and Germany. It doesn't inherently mean that they HAVE to care about the working class.

Populism is a generic label that covers feelings not policies. Self-described populist parties in the US have not historically had integrally coherent (self-consistent) policies. It has been used historically for different things and sometimes different things at the same time.

It was used for FDR's New Deal reforms, Teddy Roosevelt's Trust Busting, Nixon Elected by America's youth to end the Viet-Nam War, and at the same time McGovern's Alternate Path for the Democratic Party; not to mention Lyndon LaRouche astroturfing in an attempt for a militant command economy New Deal if elected.

It does describe a tangible rage against the machine. The david vs the goliath. The little guy against the big guy. A sense of being lost and forgotten amid all the sloganeering of pundits who only care about garnering power for themselves at the expense of everyone else.

Recently for Leftists, it seems to be an epitaph for when a great preponderance of the American population holds attitudes or behaves in a way the Socialist Left in the Democratic Party doesn't like. Then its populism. When a great preponderance of the American population obeys the Left, then it is Democracy.

In America the right wing are Federalists. We hold strongly to divided limited government and separation of powers via duly constituted governance. It is the left that wants consolidated power and to nationalize everything while accusing their opponents of being nationalists. Fascist, Nazis, Communists, most every form of Socialism except individualist Anarchism is to the left of the typical American Right.

[Cannot think of a name]

Dunno if posted already, but Trump expected to surrender Tuesday.

Mentioned a couple times. Still it’s going to be a chaotic day. Every news group in the country and well some other countries will have people present for the first of it’s kind event.

Wonder how they will handle it?

If I had to guess...

[Dimetrodon Empire]

We hold strongly to divided limited government and separation of powers via duly constituted governance. It is the left that wants consolidated power and to nationalize everything while accusing their opponents of being nationalists. Fascist, Nazis, Communists, most every form of Socialism except individualist Anarchism is to the left of the typical American Right.

Nazism and fascism is in your camp. Hence why so many right-libertarians love Augusto Pinochet. A fascist dictator who had a stronger devotion to capitalism.

Hard to say you care about limited government when Trump was very authoritarian and you lot simped for his attempted coup.

And taking the quoted text in mind, you're either ignorant or a liar. Probably the latter.

[El Lazaro]

Tucker is absolutely a populist. That doesn't mean he actually cares about the working class, but Right-Wing populism is very well known throughout history. Fascists regularly use that rhetoric to this day, like far right parties in Europe all the time. Right-wing populism blames minorities for the elites, instead of...y'know, capitalism.

Populists have to care about the working class. They are the people.

Populists have to pretend to care about the working class. The best demagogues are grifting elites who are disgusted by the people.

[The Grand Fifth Imperium]

Populists have to pretend to care about the working class. The best demagogues are grifting elites who are disgusted by the people.

I must disagree with you on that one.

[El Lazaro]

Populists have to pretend to care about the working class. The best demagogues are grifting elites who are disgusted by the people.

I must disagree with you on that one.

Not the best as people, but the most effective as politicians.

[Gravlen]

In an apparent loss to Fox News, a judge ruled that Dominion's defamation case can go to trial.

Fox had tried to get the case dismissed. The judge also ruled that the challenged statements are false, which means that Dominion doesn't have to litigate baseless conspiracy theories about its role in the 2020:

“The evidence developed in this civil proceeding demonstrates that is CRYSTAL clear that none of the Statements relating to Dominion about the 2020 election are true,” wrote Judge Eric Davis in his 81-page ruling.

The judge didn't side with either side per se, but he seems to have given Dominion a good chance at trial with a jury. Fox will surely try to settle though if I'm Dominion, I would not do that.

The heads of Dominion has long said on various outlets that they will never settle, and I believe them on that. The point is simple: A settlement won't wipe away every shred of doubt from them.

And the simple fact is that if they don't verifiably remove all doubt, they go out of business. Nobody will be buying their voting machines it they allow doubt about their reliability to linger.

Same goes for Smartmatic. They will ride their cases all the way to the end, they really don't have any other choices.

[Narland]

We hold strongly to divided limited government and separation of powers via duly constituted governance. It is the left that wants consolidated power and to nationalize everything while accusing their opponents of being nationalists. Fascist, Nazis, Communists, most every form of Socialism except individualist Anarchism is to the left of the typical American Right.

Nazism and fascism is in your camp. Hence why so many right-libertarians love Augusto Pinochet. A fascist dictator who had a stronger devotion to capitalism.

Hard to say you care about limited government when Trump was very authoritarian and you lot simped for his attempted coup.

And taking the quoted text in mind, you're either ignorant or a liar. Probably the latter.

In the American Spectrum, authoritarians, totalitarians and collectivists are on the left. Individualists, maximal self-governance, and external governance by contractual obligation is on the right. All of the monsters of the 20th Century are on the left. This isn't 19th Century France where Socialists are on the Left, Center and Right of a spectrum that measures how international or national their Socialists are. National Socialism and Corporato-Socialism belong to what we abhor -- Socialism and the Authoritarian State that inevitably goes with it. Communism goes without saying. Killing people and burning everything to the ground is what Communism (International Socialism), National Socialism (Nazis), and Fascism is all about. It is all on the totalitarian left of the American spectrum. American Conservatism has to do with conserving classical Liberalism through limited government, personal responsibility, due process, civil rights, and separation of powers. If it has to do with government power over the rights of the individual it is leftist. If it has to do with freedom and personal responsibility over the vague and arbitrary power of government, it is to the right.

If you think a shaman carrying a flag and handing out breath mints as he is escorted though the building by capitol police officers makes an insurrection you are sadly mistaken. For the Leftists who are trying to make a Reichstag fire out of this, it is going to backfire on them. When America needs to overthrow unlawful despots who are acting in malfeasance to pervert the constitution, it wont be with unarmed civilians herded into a building by a Ray Epps with a megaphone.

[Urkennalaid]

In the American Spectrum, authoritarians, totalitarians and collectivists are on the left. Individualists, maximal self-governance, and external governance by contractual obligation is on the right. All of the monsters of the 20th Century are on the left. This isn't 19th Century France where Socialists are on the Left, Center and Right of a spectrum that measures how international or national their Socialists are. National Socialism and Corporato-Socialism belong to what we abhor -- Socialism and the Authoritarian State that inevitably goes with it. Communism goes without saying. Killing people and burning everything to the ground is what Communism (International Socialism), National Socialism (Nazis), and Fascism is all about. It is all on the totalitarian left of the American spectrum. American Conservatism has to do with conserving classical Liberalism through limited government, personal responsibility, due process, civil rights, and separation of powers. If it has to do with government power over the rights of the individual it is leftist. If it has to do with freedom and personal responsibility over the vague and arbitrary power of government, it is to the right.

If you think a shaman carrying a flag and handing out breath mints as he is escorted though the building by capitol police officers makes an insurrection you are sadly mistaken. For the Leftists who are trying to make a Reichstag fire out of this, it is going to backfire on them. When America needs to overthrow unlawful despots who are acting in malfeasance to pervert the constitution, it wont be with unarmed civilians herded into a building by a Ray Epps with a megaphone.

Quick question, who did the Nazis go after first? Another question, who did they accuse the Jews of being?

Just wanna know from someone who's saying Fascism is another aspect of socialism. Someone who DEFNIETELY understands history.

[Umeria]

If it has to do with government power over the rights of the individual it is leftist. If it has to do with freedom and personal responsibility over the vague and arbitrary power of government, it is to the right.

By this logic, Bernie Sanders was right wing for trying to end the genocide in Yemen and Trump was left wing for continuing it.

[Haganham]

In the American Spectrum, authoritarians, totalitarians and collectivists are on the left. Individualists, maximal self-governance, and external governance by contractual obligation is on the right. All of the monsters of the 20th Century are on the left. This isn't 19th Century France where Socialists are on the Left, Center and Right of a spectrum that measures how international or national their Socialists are. National Socialism and Corporato-Socialism belong to what we abhor -- Socialism and the Authoritarian State that inevitably goes with it. Communism goes without saying. Killing people and burning everything to the ground is what Communism (International Socialism), National Socialism (Nazis), and Fascism is all about. It is all on the totalitarian left of the American spectrum. American Conservatism has to do with conserving classical Liberalism through limited government, personal responsibility, due process, civil rights, and separation of powers. If it has to do with government power over the rights of the individual it is leftist. If it has to do with freedom and personal responsibility over the vague and arbitrary power of government, it is to the right.

If you think a shaman carrying a flag and handing out breath mints as he is escorted though the building by capitol police officers makes an insurrection you are sadly mistaken. For the Leftists who are trying to make a Reichstag fire out of this, it is going to backfire on them. When America needs to overthrow unlawful despots who are acting in malfeasance to pervert the constitution, it wont be with unarmed civilians herded into a building by a Ray Epps with a megaphone.

Quick question, who did the Nazis go after first? Another question, who did they accuse the Jews of being?

Just wanna know from someone who's saying Fascism is another aspect of socialism. Someone who DEFNIETELY understands history.

Why would you expect the National Socialist German Workers' Party to fall into the American political spectrum?

[Urkennalaid]

Why would you expect the National Socialist German Workers' Party to fall into the American political spectrum?

You...think leftism is a uniquely American political spectrum? What? Leftism and socialism is inherently against right-wing ideology.

[The Proud Transphobe]

In the American Spectrum, authoritarians, totalitarians and collectivists are on the left. Individualists, maximal self-governance, and external governance by contractual obligation is on the right. All of the monsters of the 20th Century are on the left. This isn't 19th Century France where Socialists are on the Left, Center and Right of a spectrum that measures how international or national their Socialists are. National Socialism and Corporato-Socialism belong to what we abhor -- Socialism and the Authoritarian State that inevitably goes with it. Communism goes without saying. Killing people and burning everything to the ground is what Communism (International Socialism), National Socialism (Nazis), and Fascism is all about. It is all on the totalitarian left of the American spectrum. American Conservatism has to do with conserving classical Liberalism through limited government, personal responsibility, due process, civil rights, and separation of powers. If it has to do with government power over the rights of the individual it is leftist. If it has to do with freedom and personal responsibility over the vague and arbitrary power of government, it is to the right.

If you think a shaman carrying a flag and handing out breath mints as he is escorted though the building by capitol police officers makes an insurrection you are sadly mistaken. For the Leftists who are trying to make a Reichstag fire out of this, it is going to backfire on them. When America needs to overthrow unlawful despots who are acting in malfeasance to pervert the constitution, it wont be with unarmed civilians herded into a building by a Ray Epps with a megaphone.

Quick question, who did the Nazis go after first? Another question, who did they accuse the Jews of being?

Just wanna know from someone who's saying Fascism is another aspect of socialism. Someone who DEFNIETELY understands history.

Hitler in part justified his anti-semitism based on a belief that Jews were both wealthy capitalist bankers and Marxist socialists. Anyone who has read the history knows he saw capitalism and globalism as the primary enemies of his National Socialist ambitions.

[Urkennalaid]

I can't believe we're talking about how the Nazis were actually socialist. This is insane, there is no factual basis on this. It's such a dumb argument to even have. The first people the Nazis went after were communists and other leftists in Germany. Cultural Marxism is a phrase used by the modern right, but it was previously called Cultural Bolshevism, which tied Judaism to communism. The fact we're even having this discussion is ridiculous. Just straight up trying to remake history.

[Rusozak]

I can't believe we're talking about how the Nazis were actually socialist. This is insane, there is no factual basis on this. It's such a dumb argument to even have. The first people the Nazis went after were communists and other leftists in Germany. Cultural Marxism is a phrase used by the modern right, but it was previously called Cultural Bolshevism, which tied Judaism to communism. The fact we're even having this discussion is ridiculous. Just straight up trying to remake history.

Welcome to the Republican party.