American Politics: The Speaker's Cornered

[Senkaku]

I was referring to workplace meetings, to be frank.

You’re telling me the person who created the nation of “Incelastan” a couple years ago is old enough to have a “workplace” that has “meetings” ? That’s a frightening thought

[Incelastan]

I was referring to workplace meetings, to be frank.

You’re telling me the person who created the nation of “Incelastan” a couple years ago is old enough to have a “workplace” that has “meetings” ? That’s a frightening thought

Dude, this is a roleplaying nation. That is IC, as in...in character. I also have a nation called New Soviet Trans-Ohio, which is a Communist Rust Belt. Incelastan is a patriarchal New England ruled by a mixed civilian-military junta. It was my attempt to explore the idea of how an incel-dominated nation might operate in practice if it existed. I have a lot of puppets with a vast range of different political orientations. That doesn't mean that I subscribe to all or most of their policies. If you bothered to read my signature, you'd know that.

Also, I'm 46. I have grandchildren. I'm not some teenager with a neckbeard who spends all day sitting on his duff playing WOW or whatever. Not that there is anything wrong with video or PC games.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Kind of a hot take for a southerner but sweet tea does not taste good at all.

Yes I know, how can I say this, this is heresy.

[Senkaku]

You’re telling me the person who created the nation of “Incelastan” a couple years ago is old enough to have a “workplace” that has “meetings” ? That’s a frightening thought

Dude, this is a roleplaying nation. That is IC, as in...in character. I also have a nation called New Soviet Trans-Ohio, which is a Communist Rust Belt. Incelastan is a patriarchal New England ruled by a mixed civilian-military junta. I have a lot of puppets with a vast range of different political orientations. That doesn't mean that I subscribe to all or most of their policies. If you bothered to read my signature, you'd know that.

Also, I'm 46. I have grandchildren. I'm not some teenager with a neckbeard who spends all day sitting on his duff playing WOW or whatever. Not that there is anything wrong with video or PC games.

Was part of this supposed to somehow be reassuring? If so you might need to clarify or expand on it a bit, because I’m doing the math on grandkids by 46 and it’s not really making me feel better per se

[Deblar]

You’re telling me the person who created the nation of “Incelastan” a couple years ago is old enough to have a “workplace” that has “meetings” ? That’s a frightening thought

Dude, this is a roleplaying nation. That is IC, as in...in character. I also have a nation called New Soviet Trans-Ohio, which is a Communist Rust Belt. Incelastan is a patriarchal New England ruled by a mixed civilian-military junta. I have a lot of puppets with a vast range of different political orientations. That doesn't mean that I subscribe to all or most of their policies. If you bothered to read my signature, you'd know that.

Also, I'm 46. I have grandchildren. I'm not some teenager with a neckbeard who spends all day sitting on his duff playing WOW or whatever. Not that there is anything wrong with video or PC games.

I always forget how young I am compared to much of the rest of NSG until someone posts something like this

One of the only good things to come out of the South

Kind of a hot take for a southerner but sweet tea does not taste good at all.

Blasphemous. Absolutely blasphemous. I’ll have your Southerner card revoked for this.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Dude, this is a roleplaying nation. That is IC, as in...in character. I also have a nation called New Soviet Trans-Ohio, which is a Communist Rust Belt. Incelastan is a patriarchal New England ruled by a mixed civilian-military junta. I have a lot of puppets with a vast range of different political orientations. That doesn't mean that I subscribe to all or most of their policies. If you bothered to read my signature, you'd know that.

Also, I'm 46. I have grandchildren. I'm not some teenager with a neckbeard who spends all day sitting on his duff playing WOW or whatever. Not that there is anything wrong with video or PC games.

I always forget how young I am compared to much of the rest of NSG until someone posts something like this

Kind of a hot take for a southerner but sweet tea does not taste good at all.

Blasphemous. Absolutely blasphemous. I’ll have your Southerner card revoked for this.

Lol. But still I’ve considered myself an American before a Southerner anyway.

[Incelastan]

Dude, this is a roleplaying nation. That is IC, as in...in character. I also have a nation called New Soviet Trans-Ohio, which is a Communist Rust Belt. Incelastan is a patriarchal New England ruled by a mixed civilian-military junta. I have a lot of puppets with a vast range of different political orientations. That doesn't mean that I subscribe to all or most of their policies. If you bothered to read my signature, you'd know that.

Also, I'm 46. I have grandchildren. I'm not some teenager with a neckbeard who spends all day sitting on his duff playing WOW or whatever. Not that there is anything wrong with video or PC games.

Was part of this supposed to somehow be reassuring? If so you might need to clarify or expand on it a bit, because I’m doing the math on grandkids by 46 and it’s not really making me feel better per se

There's a lot of ways that could happen, but in my particular case, I married a woman six years older than me and she had a stepdaughter (also a stepson, who died in 2020), who in turn has daughters of her own. Not that it matters. My point is that I'm not an actual incel myself, certainly not some brat living in his mother's basement or whatever. It's in character for roleplay, dude.

[Incelastan]

I always forget how young I am compared to much of the rest of NSG until someone posts something like this




Blasphemous. Absolutely blasphemous. I’ll have your Southerner card revoked for this.

Lol. But still I’ve considered myself an American before a Southerner anyway.

The Union forever...hurrah, boys, hurrah! But then I'm basically a carpetbagger myself.

[Necroghastia]

Was part of this supposed to somehow be reassuring? If so you might need to clarify or expand on it a bit, because I’m doing the math on grandkids by 46 and it’s not really making me feel better per se

There's a lot of ways that could happen, but in my particular case, I married a woman six years older than me and she had a stepdaughter (also a stepson, who died in 2020), who in turn has daughters of her own. Not that it matters. My point is that I'm not an actual incel myself, certainly not some brat living in his mother's basement or whatever. It's in character for roleplay, dude.

General is an out of character board...

[American Legionaries]

I always forget how young I am compared to much of the rest of NSG until someone posts something like this




Blasphemous. Absolutely blasphemous. I’ll have your Southerner card revoked for this.

Lol. But still I’ve considered myself an American before a Southerner anyway.

Nobody outside the South does, tho.

[Incelastan]

There's a lot of ways that could happen, but in my particular case, I married a woman six years older than me and she had a stepdaughter (also a stepson, who died in 2020), who in turn has daughters of her own. Not that it matters. My point is that I'm not an actual incel myself, certainly not some brat living in his mother's basement or whatever. It's in character for roleplay, dude.

General is an out of character board...

Exactly. Which is why my choice of creating a hypothetical incel rogue state being thrown in my face was a bit of a shock.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Lol. But still I’ve considered myself an American before a Southerner anyway.

The Union forever...hurrah, boys, hurrah! But then I'm basically a carpetbagger myself.

Yes minus me being carpetbagger.

[Ifreann]

It's actually just something that misogynists talk about online.

There have been complaints about it in periodicals and even TV programs.

People complain about all kinds of shit that isn't a real problem.

And it's not really misogynistic. More a move toward self-preservation. People are a lot less naïve these days.

It is absolutely misogynistic to treat all women with suspicion based on nothing more than them being women.

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Was part of this supposed to somehow be reassuring? If so you might need to clarify or expand on it a bit, because I’m doing the math on grandkids by 46 and it’s not really making me feel better per se

There's a lot of ways that could happen, but in my particular case, I married a woman six years older than me and she had a stepdaughter (also a stepson, who died in 2020), who in turn has daughters of her own. Not that it matters. My point is that I'm not an actual incel myself, certainly not some brat living in his mother's basement or whatever. It's in character for roleplay, dude.

Do the women in your life know that you record all your interactions with them?

[Incelastan]

There have been complaints about it in periodicals and even TV programs.

People complain about all kinds of shit that isn't a real problem.

And it's not really misogynistic. More a move toward self-preservation. People are a lot less naïve these days.

It is absolutely misogynistic to treat all women with suspicion based on nothing more than them being women. Again, it's not they would. It's that society has created this option for them, so one has to act in self-defense. I view any other approach as rather naïve.

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There's a lot of ways that could happen, but in my particular case, I married a woman six years older than me and she had a stepdaughter (also a stepson, who died in 2020), who in turn has daughters of her own. Not that it matters. My point is that I'm not an actual incel myself, certainly not some brat living in his mother's basement or whatever. It's in character for roleplay, dude.

Do the women in your life know that you record all your interactions with them?

I don't record interactions outside of the workplace, and then only if they're in a private session. I have no reason to record interactions with women outside of work. Though the breakdown of due process protections these days in any scenario involving accusations of harassment, abuse, and assault is rather disturbing. Typically, the worst excesses in that sense are still in the workplace or on college campuses (and I haven't set foot on one of those since 2001, when I temporarily returned to school), even if the Duluth Model is rather disturbing in its own way.

[Senkaku]

General is an out of character board...

Exactly. Which is why my choice of creating a hypothetical incel rogue state being thrown in my face was a bit of a shock.

You’re shocked I “threw it in your face” after you spent like a page going on about how dating is a ripoff and you constantly record your female colleagues to prevent them from falsely accusing you of sexual misconduct?

[Incelastan]

Exactly. Which is why my choice of creating a hypothetical incel rogue state being thrown in my face was a bit of a shock.

You’re shocked I “threw it in your face” after you spent like a page going on about how dating is a ripoff and you constantly record your female colleagues to prevent them from falsely accusing you of sexual misconduct?

Stating facts about how the dating scene is a hot mess and how there is a growing trend to take reasonable measures for self-defense doesn't make one a misogynist. They make one aware of the real world. But again, in character is in character and shouldn't be weaponized in an out of character board. Again, the only thing recorded would be one-on-one meetings where it would otherwise be my word against hers.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

You’re shocked I “threw it in your face” after you spent like a page going on about how dating is a ripoff and you constantly record your female colleagues to prevent them from falsely accusing you of sexual misconduct?

Stating facts about how the dating scene is a hot mess and how there is a growing trend to take reasonable measures for self-defense doesn't make one a misogynist. They make one aware of the real world. But again, in character is in character and shouldn't be weaponized in an out of character board.

So are you speaking IC or OOC here?

[Ifreann]

People complain about all kinds of shit that isn't a real problem.

It is absolutely misogynistic to treat all women with suspicion based on nothing more than them being women. Again, it's not they would. It's that society has created this option for them, so one has to act in self-defense.

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Do the women in your life know that you record all your interactions with them?

I don't record interactions outside of the workplace, and then only if they're in a private session. I have no reason to record interactions with women outside of work.

So you aren't even consistent in your misogynist beliefs that women can't be trusted.

[Incelastan]

Stating facts about how the dating scene is a hot mess and how there is a growing trend to take reasonable measures for self-defense doesn't make one a misogynist. They make one aware of the real world. But again, in character is in character and shouldn't be weaponized in an out of character board.

So are you speaking IC or OOC here?

Obviously out of character. This is an out of character board. My generally progressive leanings don't mean that I signed a suicide pact, in any case. Or a career suicide pact, for that matter.

[Incelastan]

I don't record interactions outside of the workplace, and then only if they're in a private session. I have no reason to record interactions with women outside of work.

So you aren't even consistent in your misogynist beliefs that women can't be trusted.

It's not that women in general can't be trusted. It's that the potential exists for abuses and one should take precautions. One should always take precautions.

[Saiwana]

It's actually a trend that has been noted in workplace one-on-one meetings. The so-called "Pence Rule."

The problem is that the Pence rule is illegal if it can be proven that you're discriminating against women in terms of there being any differences in how you treat men in the same contexts and situations. I proposed the use of body cameras as a potential solution, but workplaces probably aren't yet okay with it.

If a woman is "uppity" enough about being upset that you're not mentoring her or giving her one on one meetings that could enable impropriety accusations, it is a problem regardless of whether you accept or refuse her. I'd go out of my way to try to have no private meetings and to have witnesses or other evidence that can vouch that I was nothing but professional at work.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

So are you speaking IC or OOC here?

Obviously out of character. This is an out of character board. My generally progressive leanings don't mean that I signed a suicide pact, in any case. Or a career suicide pact, for that matter.

Obviously seems like the wrong word. You sure seem like an incel.

[Incelastan]

Obviously out of character. This is an out of character board. My generally progressive leanings don't mean that I signed a suicide pact, in any case. Or a career suicide pact, for that matter.

Obviously seems like the wrong word. You sure seem like an incel.

Then you have a tendency to paint people with a broad brush and rush to conclusions, sir. I've already explained that I have a variety of nations with a wide range of political views. Also, the particular context of the workplace is such that one would be unwise or naïve not to record private workplace meetings, or at least insist upon a third party present. Unless, of course, there is already video surveillance of all rooms.

In any case, would you want someone jumping to conclusions about you as a person based upon your opinions? I think not. Kindly refrain from doing so yourself, then.

My views are mostly leftist, but with some rightist exceptions, such as guns and a belief that due process has been greatly weakened by a variety of excesses produced by various misguided, presumably sincere corrections of the processes of handling certain kinds of legal cases.

[Ifreann]

So you aren't even consistent in your misogynist beliefs that women can't be trusted.

It's not that women in general can't be trusted. It's that the potential exists for abuses and one should take precautions. One should always take precautions.

You obviously think that it's women who can't be trusted because you feel the need to make secret recordings when you are alone with women. If this was simple paranoia then you would record your private interactions with everyone, regardless of gender, regardless of whether you're at work or not.

[Incelastan]

It's not that women in general can't be trusted. It's that the potential exists for abuses and one should take precautions. One should always take precautions.

You obviously think that it's women who can't be trusted because you feel the need to make secret recordings when you are alone with women. If this was simple paranoia then you would record your private interactions with everyone, regardless of gender, regardless of whether you're at work or not.

If there was a rash of accusations of male-on-male harassment, that would be a reasonable conclusion on your part. As there isn't such, I'll take your assumptions with the mountain of salt that they deserve. It's neither misogyny nor paranoia. It's realism mixed with cynicism and pessimism. Justified cynicism and pessimism, I might add.

Also, what if I was the one sexually harassed? Hypothetical, but possible. Shouldn't I have the means to pursue my case, the evidence to strengthen it? The very fact that I do not fear what a recording might reveal, in any case, shows that I have nothing to hide myself.

As for outside of work, the odds are that I'm already in a public place unless I'm at home. There would be plenty of witnesses.