Civilian uses of body cameras?

[Bewaffnete Krafte]

Oh, those horrifying drag shows where they wear bright colors and makeup and giving teens (not kids) chemicals and medical aide to make them feel happier and fuller in life, how awful! They're basically molesting them already!

My point proven.

How does a kid willingly deciding to watch or not watch a show where people dress up in bright colors equal molesting? How does willingly giving teens medical treatment THEY asked for equal molesting?

[United States Reborn]

Based on their lies about women ruining the lives of innocent men by pretending to have been raped, as I said. They've seen one or two powerful men actually going to jail for their sex crimes following a mass public movement of women coming forward about being victims and they're freaking out.

There are cases it has happened. There was recently quite a high-profile case in the U.K. in which a girl did exactly what you've just described.

Aren't you just delightful.

Again, my point proven. You're completely outraged that I could possibly have an issue with that.

[United Calanworie]

Based on their lies about women ruining the lives of innocent men by pretending to have been raped, as I said. They've seen one or two powerful men actually going to jail for their sex crimes following a mass public movement of women coming forward about being victims and they're freaking out.

There are cases it has happened. There was recently quite a high-profile case in the U.K. in which a girl did exactly what you've just described.

Might I direct you to The Innocence Project?

It's not like this is a new phenomena. It just so happens that this crime, in particular, is frequently committed by the rich and powerful and they're scared shitless of accountability.

[Ifreann]

Based on their lies about women ruining the lives of innocent men by pretending to have been raped, as I said. They've seen one or two powerful men actually going to jail for their sex crimes following a mass public movement of women coming forward about being victims and they're freaking out.

There are cases it has happened. There was recently quite a high-profile case in the U.K. in which a girl did exactly what you've just described.

There are also cases of people being falsely accused of murder or arson or theft or any crime. Those haven't provoked the same freakout from misogynist weirdos. It's specifically sexual assault they're terrified of being accused of.

Aren't you just delightful.

Again, my point proven. You're completely outraged that I could possibly have an issue with that.

Did you read outrage in that comment? I'm afraid your transphobia is entirely too run-of-the-mill to really provoke outrage.

[Saiwana]

At the end of the day, the far right tell each other that there's a huge risk of women accusing men of a sex crime and ruining his life because the already very limited degree to which sex criminals face consequences for their actions is too much for them. The far right want more license to harass and molest and rape people and get away with it. They want even less credence given to victims. Sai has just fallen for these lies his people tell.

Even if that were the case, I still want some form of insurance against being cancelled or labeled as bad or suffering negative consequences in a career context for arbitrary or false reasons. I don't trust women enough overall (outside of perhaps my mother) to ever truly have my best interests at heart. The only reason I don't want to follow the Mike Pence rule 100% is because I don't want to violate title XII of Civil Rights Act of 1964 or some arcane aspects of labor law where I live.

But if I were to need to mentor or work with any woman in the workplace, I need witnesses or footage or something, that can vouch for my professional behavior if I've indeed done nothing wrong. I want to maintain a strict 100% "work mode" at work, where I won't mix anything private/non-work related when I'm on the clock, that includes any romance or feelings. This probably rules out me ever accepting any coworkers as friends or anything more if I have enough reasons to believe that there are no upsides to being too trusting.

Yes- while its unlikely, I still don't want there to even be the possibility that I reject the wrong woman's advances, and them then wanting to blackmail or frame me or get revenge somehow.

[United Calanworie]

At the end of the day, the far right tell each other that there's a huge risk of women accusing men of a sex crime and ruining his life because the already very limited degree to which sex criminals face consequences for their actions is too much for them. The far right want more license to harass and molest and rape people and get away with it. They want even less credence given to victims. Sai has just fallen for these lies his people tell.

Even if that were the case, I still want some form of insurance against being cancelled or labeled as bad or suffering negative consequences in a career context for arbitrary or false reasons. I don't trust women enough overall (outside of perhaps my mother) to ever truly have my best interests at heart. The only reason I don't want to follow the Mike Pence rule 100% is because I don't want to violate title XII of Civil Rights Act of 1964 or some arcane aspects of labor law where I live.

But if I were to need to mentor or work with any woman in the workplace, I need witnesses or footage or something, that can vouch for my professional behavior if I've indeed done nothing wrong. I want to maintain a strict 100% "work mode" at work, where I won't mix anything private/non-work related when I'm on the clock, that includes any romance or feelings. This probably rules out me ever accepting any coworkers as friends or anything more if I have enough reasons to believe that there are no upsides to being too trusting.

Yes- while its unlikely, I still don't want there to even be the possibility that I reject the wrong woman's advances, and them then wanting to blackmail or frame me or get revenge somehow.

Weirdly, insurance from this can come from the incredibly simple solution of "don't sexually harass your coworkers."

[Ifreann]

At the end of the day, the far right tell each other that there's a huge risk of women accusing men of a sex crime and ruining his life because the already very limited degree to which sex criminals face consequences for their actions is too much for them. The far right want more license to harass and molest and rape people and get away with it. They want even less credence given to victims. Sai has just fallen for these lies his people tell.

Even if that were the case, I still want some form of insurance against being cancelled or labeled as bad or suffering negative consequences in a career context for arbitrary or false reasons. I don't trust women enough overall (outside of perhaps my mother) to ever truly have my best interests at heart. The only reason I don't want to follow the Mike Pence rule 100% is because I don't want to violate title XII of Civil Rights Act of 1964 or some arcane aspects of labor law where I live.

But if I were to need to mentor or work with any woman in the workplace, I need witnesses or footage or something, that can vouch for my professional behavior if I've indeed done nothing wrong. I want to maintain a strict 100% "work mode" at work, where I won't mix anything private/non-work related when I'm on the clock, that includes any romance or feelings. This probably rules out me ever accepting any coworkers as friends or anything more if I have enough reasons to believe that there are no upsides to being too trusting.

Yes- while its unlikely, I still don't want there to even be the possibility that I reject the wrong woman's advances, and them then wanting to blackmail or frame me or get revenge somehow.

You're putting a lot of thought in how to deal with accusations of workplace misconduct for someone who doesn't have a job.

[Saiwana]

You're putting a lot of thought in how to deal with accusations of workplace misconduct for someone who doesn't have a job.

I have a tech job starting soon for real, that is just for a limited time. Still a paid position however, that I'll be paying taxes on. Can't be a NEET forever?

[Ifreann]

You're putting a lot of thought in how to deal with accusations of workplace misconduct for someone who doesn't have a job.

I have a tech job starting soon for real, that is just for a limited time. Still a paid position however, that I'll be paying taxes on. Can't be a NEET forever?

Well you're not going to keep it if you go in wearing a camera.

[Saiwana]

Well you're not going to keep it if you go in wearing a camera.

That is what I consider to be a real problem. I'm searching for solutions, like ways to have the camera be concealed or to look like an ordinary button on my clothing. Even wearing a wire would be better than having no proof at all to back up my side of the story, if any disputes come up. I'm not going to be in a large environment full of other people as of yet. This is a small server room I'll be learning my craft from.

[Thermodolia]

Weird thing to say anonymously on the internet.

Unless you have a strong reason to believe you’ll get into a legal dispute over a non-traffic related incident that you aren’t necessarily to blame for, it’s pretty weird, paranoid, and/or creepy.

Such nervous nellies— the surgery to get a dashcam permanently mounted on your forehead generally has very good outcomes, there’s only hemorrhaging in like five percent of cases

That’s because you’re using the wrong method. They chest mounted one only results in hemorrhaging in 4% of cases.

[Diarcesia]

The answer is "it depends"

To be quite blunt, its best use is for adventurers and extreme sports enthusiasts.

[Ifreann]

Well you're not going to keep it if you go in wearing a camera.

That is what I consider to be a real problem. I'm searching for solutions, like ways to have the camera be concealed or to look like an ordinary button on my clothing. Even wearing a wire would be better than having no proof at all to back up my side of the story, if any disputes come up. I'm not going to be in a large environment full of other people as of yet. This is a small server room I'll be learning my craft from.

If any dispute arises and you reveal that you have been secretly recording everything that happens around you, your ass will get fired for that.

[Vonum]

While I see both sides, I disagree because imagine a perv getting one, taking it off and putting it into his hands, to upskirt Women. It isn't right I am afraid.

[Saiwana]

If any dispute arises and you reveal that you have been secretly recording everything that happens around you, your ass will get fired for that.

I still don't like the implication that there is nothing I can do but take it, if Feminism tries to hurt me. Like I said, the Mike Pence rule insulates yourself from accusations but it also goes too far in that it can count as discrimination based on sex if a trend can be proven. My intentions are good if I'm trying to devise workarounds that will be of mutual benefit. It is perhaps just a matter of getting companies on board. I hope what I want becomes law or at least is an option in the future.

[Jabberwocky]

The ultimate in accessorizing! Designer body cans! All part of my bling thing.

[Thermodolia]

If any dispute arises and you reveal that you have been secretly recording everything that happens around you, your ass will get fired for that.

I still don't like the implication that there is nothing I can do but take it, if Feminism tries to hurt me. Like I said, the Mike Pence rule insulates yourself from accusations but it also goes too far in that it can count as discrimination based on sex if a trend can be proven. My intentions are good if I'm trying to devise workarounds that will be of mutual benefit. It is perhaps just a matter of getting companies on board. I hope what I want becomes law or at least is an option in the future.

Pretty sure feminism isn’t out to get you

[Narland]

I don't have a problem with it as long as it is not used for ulterior purposes of depriving others of their rights. My vehicles are fit with all around cameras and audio for traffic collisions and traffic stops. It has saved considerable time, effort, and money, like when a driver swerved into my lane, clipped my car, and the 3 people in the other car concocted a story that would have gotten me the ticket and probably raised my insurance.

Body cams are great for search and rescue. The camera might pick up something the person missed. I used to use a portable cam back when volunteer firefighting to film the various firebreaks created. The were able to be used to determine the effectiveness of different techniques. They all have their uses. In any large city I would recommend using body cams. If I had to go into a failed state community like Portland, Oregon I would be tempted to carry one and keep it on in public spaces.

[Ifreann]

If any dispute arises and you reveal that you have been secretly recording everything that happens around you, your ass will get fired for that.

I still don't like the implication that there is nothing I can do but take it, if Feminism tries to hurt me. Like I said, the Mike Pence rule insulates yourself from accusations but it also goes too far in that it can count as discrimination based on sex if a trend can be proven. My intentions are good if I'm trying to devise workarounds that will be of mutual benefit. It is perhaps just a matter of getting companies on board. I hope what I want becomes law or at least is an option in the future.

Your intentions are obviously misogynist.

[Neanderthaland]

I still don't like the implication that there is nothing I can do but take it, if Feminism tries to hurt me. Like I said, the Mike Pence rule insulates yourself from accusations but it also goes too far in that it can count as discrimination based on sex if a trend can be proven. My intentions are good if I'm trying to devise workarounds that will be of mutual benefit. It is perhaps just a matter of getting companies on board. I hope what I want becomes law or at least is an option in the future.

Pretty sure feminism isn’t out to get you

If feminism isn't out to get Nazis, then what good is it?

[Saiwana]

Your intentions are obviously misogynist.

How are women meaningfully hurt by what I propose, if they're hurt more by if the "Mike Pence rule" is followed with no modifications to try to make it fairer towards women?

Me and other men only want sufficient enough evidence to exonerate us of any wrongdoing or rumors if nothing happened behind closed doors. The alternative is that more men intentionally do their utmost to try to exclude women if it isn't walking on eggshells around them. Is it not 100% equal if the women are allowed to have body cameras as well, to record any men either showing professional restraint or crossing over into being too forward in one on one business meetings or circumstances?

Whoever does wrong first, should be getting fired or disciplined depending on the company whims. If the footage can't be edited, it will undoubtedly be unbiased. But I deserve to be condemned by more than just words if someone else simply doesn't like me?

[Fractalnavel]

May I suggest consulting a lawyer about your concerns? The right attorney will point you in the direction about what's acceptable in the workplace or not, what recourse you have if something goes wrong, and how to best prepare for that.

At the same time, you may want to consult occupational counseling or 'coaches', etc.

And if all that sounds expensive, well, yes. Most of us just don't go about things that way, and it will take additional resources to do all that extra work.

This is all only if you insist on going about things with that attitude. Given what you have described, it's far more likely that you will become the target of employment or legal action because of an offense that you commit while trying to prevent such, than vice versa.

Also, what you record may not have the import you think, and could backfire. What do 'they' say: "any weapon that you bring into battle that you do not know how to use belongs to your enemy". Something like that.

[Floofybit]

Any way this could sufficienly work is an absolute must

[Ifreann]

Your intentions are obviously misogynist.

How are women meaningfully hurt by what I propose, if they're hurt more by if the "Mike Pence rule" is followed with no modifications to try to make it fairer towards women?

Me and other men only want sufficient enough evidence to exonerate us of any wrongdoing or rumors if nothing happened behind closed doors. The alternative is that more men intentionally do their utmost to try to exclude women if it isn't walking on eggshells around them. Is it not 100% equal if the women are allowed to have body cameras as well, to record any men either showing professional restraint or crossing over into being too forward in one on one business meetings or circumstances?

Whoever does wrong first, should be getting fired or disciplined depending on the company whims. If the footage can't be edited, it will undoubtedly be unbiased. But I deserve to be condemned by more than just words if someone else simply doesn't like me?

Elaborating that you think women are evil and out to get you doesn't really do anything to refute my point that your intentions are obviously misogynist.

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Any way this could sufficienly work is an absolute must

No it isn't.

[Neanderthaland]

I suspect that if you tried this at my place of business, you would get into a fair amount of trouble for recording potentially confidential information. Would be fired regardless of the truth of any sexual harassment accusations. And would be sued regardless of the truth of any sexual harassment accusations. And they would probably want your recordings destroyed.